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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:26 AM Jul 2013

The Guardian has a column that puts Repub Leadership right in their place; EVIL nihilistic monsters:

Last edited Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)

What is the single most consequential political development of the past five years? Some might say the election (and re-election) of Barack Obama; others might point to the passage of the most important piece of social policy (Obamacare) since the 1960s; some might even say the drawing down of US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But in reality, it is the rapid descent of the Republican party into madness.

Never before in American history have we seen a political party so completely dominated and controlled by its extremist wing; and never before have we seen a political party that brings together the attributes of nihilism, heartlessness, radicalism and naked partisanship quite like the modern GOP. In a two-party system like America's, the result is unprecedented dysfunction.

Republicans have adopted an agenda that is quite simply, inhumane and cruel. Even if one is charitable and defends it on the ground of adherence to an ideological agenda of smaller, less intrusive government (except in the case of lady parts) it can't be defended. If one's ideological predisposition means denying food assistance to people who are laid off from their job or forcing a woman to carry a dead fetus to term or preventing individuals from getting health care coverage, then you have a monstrous ideology.

This is not meant as an indictment of all Republicans because it's very likely that many rank and file Republicans don't share these predispositions (though clearly some do). Rather it's an indictment of a once proud political party that is plumbing the depths of radicalism and nihilism and doesn't yet appear to have hit rock bottom.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/republican-party-demise-continues
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The Guardian has a column that puts Repub Leadership right in their place; EVIL nihilistic monsters: (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
I just can't get past the ad hominem in your title. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #1
But they are enablers. RC Jul 2013 #2
Kind of like people who enlist in the military are enablers. L0oniX Jul 2013 #12
from the post: kpete Jul 2013 #3
From the edited post.... which is highly improved. Thank you. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #4
They vote for evil, nihilistic monsters. jeff47 Jul 2013 #5
You do realize that they view us in much the same way. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #6
Yes, it is helping. jeff47 Jul 2013 #7
Wow. Okay. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #9
Name calling is not the reason for the Republican party's collapse. jeff47 Jul 2013 #10
Good point about Max! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #28
name-calling kardonb Jul 2013 #13
So you believe that all GOP leaders are evil, nihilistic monsters? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #14
Who are the leaders? atreides1 Jul 2013 #30
What makes the current Rethug Party evil, nihilistic monsters is... meow2u3 Jul 2013 #11
Then they baldly lie and say they're 'focused on jobs, jobs, jobs'. Mc Mike Jul 2013 #25
Republican Moms PADemD Jul 2013 #15
I discuss politics in great depth with my mother, and I have done so for decades. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #16
makes no sense G_j Jul 2013 #29
I'll ask her and post her response. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #31
In all respect G_j Jul 2013 #34
You give me the impression that you find it inconceivable that such people exist. They exist. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #35
i'm a registered republican. the republican slate is made of evil, nihilistic monsters. NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #21
On anonymous discussion boards, you can be whoever and whatever you choose that day. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #22
i have been an openly registered republican since i could vote NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #23
"Openly registered". No idea what that means. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #24
:) it means i never hid my party affiliation in real life or this site NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #36
It's curious that you being a lifetime registered Republican hasn't given the admins heartburn. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #37
oh, they've known about me from the beginning. NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #38
You got me. I swallowed the hook. I should have remained skeptical, but you convinced me. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #39
:) don't make opposing cruelty a semantic game NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #40
I agree with this column although it doesn't seem to emphasize money enough and point out byeya Jul 2013 #8
Of course this is the Guardian. progressoid Jul 2013 #17
What's your point? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #18
It would be great if our newspapers would publish something like this. progressoid Jul 2013 #19
Agree 1000x truebluegreen Jul 2013 #20
k&r n/t RainDog Jul 2013 #26
Great summation of what we all know.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #27
"peak awful". They didn't mention the voter suppression. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #32
I tried in 2004 to get my scientist (MD, Ph.D.) brother who has voted Republican all his life mnhtnbb Jul 2013 #33
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. I just can't get past the ad hominem in your title.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jul 2013

My mom is a Republican, as are all my brothers and sisters.

Mom is not evil, not nihilistic, nor a monster. In fact, I don't personally know one Republican who is evil, nihilistic, or a monster, God knows all three!

So, what the fuck?

You tend to no respond to comments to your threads, so I'll just move on. And, I will NOT respond to anyone on this thread but you.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. But they are enablers.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

Without people voting Republican, they would cease to have enough power to abuse.
One does not have to be evil, nihilistic, or a monster, just support them.

kpete

(71,994 posts)
3. from the post:
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jul 2013
This is not meant as an indictment of all Republicans because it's very likely that many rank and file Republicans don't share these predispositions (though clearly some do).












i don't know what else i can say to you Buzz Clik,
but peace, kp

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. They vote for evil, nihilistic monsters.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jul 2013

I really don't care what they do in their personal lives. Their personal lives can't affect me.

They do put evil, nihilistic monsters into power. That has major effects on me.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. You do realize that they view us in much the same way.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jul 2013

Is this name calling helping anything at all?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. Yes, it is helping.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jul 2013

The Republicans are going to call us names until the party's collapse is complete.

There's no benefit for Democrats to "play nice" while that is going on.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
9. Wow. Okay.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

You don't think that the same approach by Democrats will have the same results? Or, is God on our side?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
10. Name calling is not the reason for the Republican party's collapse.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jul 2013

They are collapsing because the people who want to go back to a bizarre facsimile of the 1950s are dying of old age.

The name calling is not related to that. And there's no reason for Democrats to not give as good as they get.

If you want, you could go ask Max Cleland just how well "playing nice" works.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
30. Who are the leaders?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jul 2013

Is it John Boehner and Eric Cantor really, or is it led by the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and Art Pope?

Do the Theocrats, like Perkins, Robertson, and Huckabee lead the GOP?

That's the question that has to be answered first, who are the real leaders of the GOP...then we can have a discussion on whether they are truly evil, nihilistic monsters?




meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
11. What makes the current Rethug Party evil, nihilistic monsters is...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jul 2013

..that they ran on the issues of jobs and the economy, only when elected to push anti-worker, anti-woman, anti-democratic (small 'd') legislation--in secret, to boot. They pulled a bait-and-switch job on the voters; no wonder so many voters were fooled.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
25. Then they baldly lie and say they're 'focused on jobs, jobs, jobs'.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:20 PM
Jul 2013

Sheisskopf Boehner just said that again last week. When O'Malley took McDonnell to task for the lying bait and switch (of running on jobs and the economy then as soon as they're in power taking a hart turn to the right and enacting all their whackjob social values legislation), McDonnell lied and said the Dems were falsely making up the 'cultural war' accusations, he was focused on the economy.

They openly lie and deny reality, then their base jumps on board voting them into office again without a pause.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
15. Republican Moms
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

My Mom was an "Eisenhower" Republican until age 82 in 2006, when she became disgusted with the Republican Party. She made up her mind that the Republican label didn't fit her anymore. Their ideals were not hers.

I was so proud of her when she walked up to me, after getting her photo taken at the DMV and spoke quietly in my ear, "I registered as a Democrat."

How does your Mom feel about the environment, outsourcing, health care, and women's rights? If they don't match up with the Republican Party's platform, ask her why she's still a Republican.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. I discuss politics in great depth with my mother, and I have done so for decades.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:08 PM
Jul 2013

1. Environment. Strong proponent. She is better informed than most environmentalists.
2. Outsourcing. Not sure. Economics and trade are not big drivers for me.
3. Health care. She does not support "Obamacare", but most vocal DUers do not support it, either. She does believe in having a health safety net.
4. Women's rights. Two fisted, militant. Walks the walk. Was the CEO of her organization. A fantastic role model.

Why is she a Republican is the face of all that? Hell, I don't know.

Why am I a Democrat when I believe that Monsanto is not the devil, that the EPA is actually functional, that nuclear energy is a viable alternative, that Keystone XL being approved will not trigger the end of existence? Well, partly because I find most Republicans to be poorly informed or willfully ignorant.

Evil? Nihilstic? Monsters? Nah.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
29. makes no sense
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jul 2013

how can anyone who knows more
about the environment than "most environmentalists" vote Republican?
Or how can a supporter of women's rights and equality vote Republican? This makes zero sense, none...

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
31. I'll ask her and post her response.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

However, I think you have a warped view of the world. I know a lot of Republicans who are strong believers in anthropogenic climate change but oppose legislation to regulate CO2 emissions. I know dozens of hard core women's right advocates who are Republicans. There are Democrats who are skeptical about the need for endless legislation controlling chemicals, agriculture and industry and who think GMOs are totally awesome. There are gay Republicans, and Democrats in the 1% who spend a significant amount of their time hiding assets to avoid taxes.

It may not make sense to you, but it is reality.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
34. In all respect
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jul 2013

how is it that my view is warped, when you are telling me hardcore women's rights advocates are voting for people who are determined to take away those rights?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
35. You give me the impression that you find it inconceivable that such people exist. They exist.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

That's it.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
21. i'm a registered republican. the republican slate is made of evil, nihilistic monsters.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jul 2013

there is no way around that. it is truth.

now, though i am registered republican, i DO NOT vote for evil, nihilistic monsters. therefore i DO NOT vote republican. one can be in a party and not support its current leadership.

to vote republican is to either a) willfully be an evil, nihilistic monster, or b) thoughtlessly empower evil, nihilistic monsters.

this truth is inescapable.

however, pride blinds. at some point one can no longer hide behind the defense of being merely thoughtless. a decision on case by case basis at the point of revelation, but once revealed it speaks to the character of the person.

eventually delusion falls to revelation. then judgment comes. thus self-delusion is no escape.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
22. On anonymous discussion boards, you can be whoever and whatever you choose that day.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jul 2013

I guess being a Republican on this thread gives you special credibility.

The next time you drag your GOP, monster-boycotting butt down to the polls, ask yourself why you continue to register Republican. I am not asking because I don't care, but it might be an interesting question for yourself.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
23. i have been an openly registered republican since i could vote
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jul 2013

and i have been completely open about it ever since i've been on this board.

criticism is a good thing for it is the seed of self-reflection.

i know why i'm in my party, and why i DO NOT vote for its slate or support its leaders.

all members of every party should do the same, regularly and continuously.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
24. "Openly registered". No idea what that means.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jul 2013

You can be whoever you want to be here.

It's great to have an openly registered Republican here at DU. A Republican who never votes for Republicans.

Great story.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
36. :) it means i never hid my party affiliation in real life or this site
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jul 2013

and there's several people on this site who know me.

but there never was a need for bona fides for anything of the sort, either on this site or why those who willfully support monstrous republicans are obviously monstrous themselves.

but thank you on the compliment of my life story. it's been swell overall so far.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
37. It's curious that you being a lifetime registered Republican hasn't given the admins heartburn.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jul 2013

You clearly embrace the GOP platform or you would have changed affiliations -- your only objection is to the leadership, and everyone hates their elected leaders.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
38. oh, they've known about me from the beginning.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:28 AM
Jul 2013

and no, your assumptions don't work. party affiliation is just a label. it has no relation to adoption of platform, organization, slate, etc.

it's only power is that which we give it: being a short-hand to critical thinking. and this power is realized by either those embracing the label to represent, or do, their thinking, or for others making assumptions upon the self-labelled's judgment.

it's when using critical thinking and acting in accord with the party platform that determines one's judgment and character.

so a label's power is only as empowered by the acts behind it...

its related to your concern in the beginning of this topic -- except there can be no offense about labels because only one's acts reflect upon one's character.

and the republican party platform, organization, slate, and acts reflect quite directly upon them being callous, nihilistic monsters.

the awareness of their actions' supporters similarly reflect upon them -- and support of such actions easily transcends any mere label boundaries.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
39. You got me. I swallowed the hook. I should have remained skeptical, but you convinced me.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:32 AM
Jul 2013

Now I regret being such a fool.

You've had your fun, now let's move on.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
40. :) don't make opposing cruelty a semantic game
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jul 2013

the acts of those who do wrong willingly speak for their characters themselves.

but you do have your heart in the right place in trying to remember the humanity of those who succumb to the delusions of evil actors.

we must try to bring revelation to those who thoughtlessly support such cruel monsters. part of that is draining the power of mere labels, particularly party faction affiliation.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
8. I agree with this column although it doesn't seem to emphasize money enough and point out
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jul 2013

how the US courts have been corrupted.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
32. "peak awful". They didn't mention the voter suppression.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jul 2013

If anything, the first half of 2013 has seen the GOP continue its journey towards "peak awful".

Good to read the commentary.

mnhtnbb

(31,391 posts)
33. I tried in 2004 to get my scientist (MD, Ph.D.) brother who has voted Republican all his life
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jul 2013

to either NOT vote for Bushie boy, or vote for Kerry. I appealed to his scientific mind, his
rational thought, his belief in reason...and I got nowhere. Zilch. Zero. "Leave me alone."

One of his sons told me several years later that his dad would never vote anything
but Republican because his primary concern was money and taxes. Nothing else
rose as a greater priority for him. In other words, he cares more about his own
wealth THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 'Me first' might be his motto.

I've given up with him. Cut off communication with his wife, who once told
me she was not interested in history or facts, she just 'agreed' with an idea
that she was circulating in a factually erroneous e-mail.

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