Venezuela to evaluate its relationship with Spain after grave offense to Evo Morales

[Catherina]

4 Jul 2013 - 7:24 am

Unasur to meet en Cochabamba to address this incident

Venezuela to evaluate its relationship with Spain after grave offense to Evo Morales

"What does President Mariano Rajoy believe! That South Americans are their slaves?" said Nicolas Maduro.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said Thursday that "we will evaluate" diplomatic relations with Spain, whose government he described as "vile", after that country temporarily closed its airspace to Bolivian President Evo Morales.

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"What the Spanish government did is odious", said Maduro in reference to the closing of their airspace to Morales, which France, Portugal and Italy did also, upon suspicion that Edward Snowden, the former US intelligence worker, was on board the Presidential jet.

"What does this President (Mariano) Rajoy think" ¿That all South Americans are his slaves?" said Maduro in a live statement transmitted by Telesur.

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Bolivia is hosting a meeting today in Cochabamba for five leaders of the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) to evaluate the incident Morales was subjected to and support him against what they believe was an act that damages their regional dignity.

http://www.elespectador.com/noticias/elmundo/articulo-431595-venezuela-evaluara-su-relacion-espana-tras-agravio-evo-morales

[Junkdrawer]

1. Don't cha know it was just a routine instrument failure landing?

They'll all feel so silly when they figure it out.

<--- Ironic this is necessary

[Catherina]

2. It's offensive. An offense to human intelligence and intellectual integrity

[Junkdrawer]

3. We're now in Big Lie territory....

Tell the same lie a dozen different ways, and maybe it can be used as a counter argument.

Scary stuff.

[MisterP]

23. but the thing with mudslinging is, you have to find something that sticks at least ONCE in 12 years

but the NDAA doesn't cover Americans, drones do target responders, the WH does pushing chained CPI, Nader didn't cause 2000 or the Lebanon War, gays didn't cause 2010, Americans do support Medicare--and every time their OPs were 1) being contradicted by literally every other source on that story and 2) completely refuted, top to bottom, thoroughly and comprehensively, its foundations razed and salted by a new story that came out within 6 or 12 hours

in fact, the *easier* it was to unravel the *more* vitriolic and ecstatically triumphalist it was

I don't even know if it's "lying for the lord" stuff (more common in both fundies and ex-fundies who retain their strange and barbarous theology, but are just rebelling against it): how can one ego stand up to 1) deliberately lying, 2) damning everyone following the true story as being as bad as those for vaginal robot violation, simply because the enormous crimes are being done by a handsome Democrat (this is literally the entirety of their argument), and 3) being mocked in very humiliating terms and being shown, irrefutably, that they deserve to be jeered, pelted, and drummed out of civilized society while everyone sings "Kiss Him Goodbye"

so to sum up, they're not even good mudslingers, since they haven't had ONE THING RIGHT SINCE THIS SITE WAS OPENED: presumably their goal is to make sure the party keeps moving right--greasing the skids even if they're not involved in the load atop the skids; they don't have to exhaust or extract concessions from those of us to the left of Francisco Franco--they just have to keep their increasingly heinous talking points in circulation (and they started with "too much democracy in Florida 2000 has ended democracy across the US," which is exactly what the Dem flunkies said when Henry Wallace's cadres registered Black people in the South for '48, setting the groundwork for the amplification of the Civil Rights Movement's "waves&quot

[madokie]

4. Hasn't this story been shown to have been all a big lie

from the start to the finish?
Fuel gauge laid down on them so they had to land as a precaution. There seems so much hate for our President that this totally got out of hand. I think it sucks big time, this whole sordid affair

I like my President and feel sorry for him and what he is being subjected too by the republicons by way of their lap dogs the press. Spilling over to other countries now. It needs to stop

[galileoreloaded]

5. i suppose willfull ignorance is one strategy

[madokie]

6. I never did understand that one

willful ignorance that is
I understand tuning out bullshit but burying ones head in the sand not so much, rhetorically speaking.

[reusrename]

16. Some people are actually damaged.

More like battered wife syndrome than anything else.

They obviously care, but are unable to contextualize factual events.

Denial or hallucinations result.

[Junkdrawer]

7. No...

(CNN) -- A defiant Evo Morales returned to Bolivia late Wednesday, railing on the United States after his presidential jet was held up in Europe under suspicions that U.S. intelligence leaker Edward Snowden had hitched a ride.

France, Spain, Portugal and Italy refused to let the president's plane fly through their airspace after rumors surfaced that Snowden might be on board.

With no clear path home available, the flight's crew made an emergency landing in Vienna, Austria, where it spent some 14 hours.

Austrian officials confirmed that Snowden was not aboard after Morales allowed an airport police officer onto his plane for a "voluntary check," Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck said.

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/world/americas/bolivia-morales-snowden/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[madokie]

8. Jimminie crickets

lets milk this mu'er f*cker

[Junkdrawer]

11. Yeah, we just hassled the little punk a bit....

President of Bolivia is like Mayor of Poughkeepsie

Amirite?

[madokie]

13. To some yes you are correct

I personally have a lot of respect for Evo Morales. Same as I did for Hugo Chavez

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Nope...and conasur is taking it seriously

[ljm2002]

20. No, it has not been shown "to have been all a big lie"...

..."from the start to the finish".

Of course you may think that the Latin and South American countries who are meeting today are meeting over a big nothing. But THEY don't think so.

The REASON they "had to land as a precaution" is that their overflight permission was rescinded in France, Spain and Portugal and possibly Italy as well.

We know it is true because the President of France (a) admitted to directly giving overflight permission (although too late) -- which means that, since the President of the country had to personally give permission, that permission was NOT granted before that; and (b) apologized to Morales for the incident.

Bzzzt. Try again.

[morningfog]

22. No. You are mistaken.

France apologized. Spain and Portugal admitted they denied access.

[byeya]

9. How the South American leaders and the people respond is where the action is. This meeting and

news reports will reveal the nature and extent of South American outrage or, if the facts warrant, provide a soft landing for Bolivia and the event will blow over.
I would say that with 25% unemployment in Spain, the Spanish President has more to fear from this affair than he has to gain from it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. But, but, but I was told no consequences...right fucking here!!!!

Morning

[byeya]

14. I guess the administration is on full damage control today and that's tough when you've retained

a lot of Bush appointees who really don't care for 0bama. Plus the intelligence agencies will be defending their turf and appropriations so the President won't get total cooperation there.
The ball is in South America's court and they may not give it back.
'ello!

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Conasur is still meeting

I hope it goes (it will) go beyond words

[byeya]

17. I understand President Kirchner of Argentina was in the streets showing support to the demonstrators

Brazil is a weak link with Dilma seen as Lula's puppet after Lula seemed to have morphed into Bill Clinton.

I expect the meeting will go beyond words also.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Recall of ambassadors at the very least

Is my guess.

[Zorra]

19. Evo is Aymara, indigenous native South American. The majority of the people

in South America are indigenous people native to South Americans.

European imperialists have a long, ugly history of damaging regional dignity in the Americas. Neoliberals are carrying on this sordid, arrogant tradition.

"What the Spanish government did is odious", said Maduro in reference to the closing of their airspace to Morales, which France, Portugal and Italy did also, upon suspicion that Edward Snowden, the former US intelligence worker, was on board the Presidential jet.

"What does this President (Mariano) Rajoy think" ¿That all South Americans are his slaves?" said Maduro in a live statement transmitted by Telesur.

Indeed.

¡Ya Basta!

[Thinkingabout]

21. Maybe the UNASUR would better serve their countries if they were more isolated.