OK DU. I would like to have some advice. Dealey Plaza, 50th Anniversary of JFK assassination

[7wo7rees]

The City of Dallas is conducting a Memorial unheard of in the 50 years since it happened. For anyone that would like to be there an application must be submitted. If your application is drawn in the random selection process, then you must agree to a "background check", should you pass, then you will receive a pass to have permission to be there on the anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130620-tickets-for-dallas-official-jfk-50th-ceremony-to-be-randomly-awarded.ece

I have been going to Dealey Plaza for the last 25 years at least and I am in oppostion to the position the City of Dallas is taking and I hear I am in good company.

For the 1st time ever, I will be arrested. I will stand in civil disobedience. I will be in Dealey Plaza on the 50th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

I will not submit my application for permission to be there. I have been going for too many years.

Thanks for any input DU may have=

I hope to hear most from Octafish.
I hope most of all many of you will join us in Dealey Plaza in November.

Thank you all.

Sincerely,
7wo7rees

[The Straight Story]

1. Ok:

1. For security purposes, you will be asked to enter a valid driver’s license/state issued ID number or passport number or social security number on your request form. Two forms of ID are required on the form; please have your numbers ready when you begin the process.

So basically you need two forms of ID.

2. CAN I DONATE OR GIVE MY TICKETS TO SOMEONE ELSE?

No, tickets may not be picked up or used by anyone other than the person(s) listed on the request form.

3. MAY I RECORD THE EVENT?

No. Audio and video equipment or camera bags are not permissible.


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Still looking at it all, but how many people normally are there?

[7wo7rees]

9. Lots, it is a free for all event and always very pleasent. They are turning this year

into something quite extrodinary for no good reason, but to control some message. There are many that are upset.

[The Straight Story]

2. Looks like big donors will get tickets....

Due to space limitations, security and safety, 5,000 tickets will be issued, with more than half distributed to residents of the DFW area. The rest will be issued to people outside the DFW area, as well as to the media, government officials, civic leaders and major donors.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dallas-mayor-michael-rawlings-jfk-160100239.html

[graham4anything]

3. Maybe if they gave Lee Harvey Oswald a background check with 2013 security, JFK would still be alive

I see nothing wrong with a background check

Maybe if back in 1963 they publicly did a background check of the 3 Bums that were there, we would know without any question
or doubt if one of those 3 bums was actually who it actually was even though for 41 years it was completely denied 41 times
in 41 different ways.

The Plaza is open to the public every other day.
Just like the Statue of Liberty reopening, I see the need for massive security opening day, and constant security afterwards.

Maybe with 2013 security, RFK would still be alive
Maybe with 2013 security, Dr. King would still be alive

[HiPointDem]

6. ridiculous.

[7wo7rees]

7. Rather a very sad response. But thanks. nt

[7wo7rees]

10. So, you will come?

Thsnks.

[graham4anything]

15. I will be in DC August 24, 2014 for the 50th anniv. of LBJ/King voting rights day

It was suppose to be a celebration of LBJ signing the voting rights acts
Now, more important than ever.

And well, I have an EZ pass, I pay for everything with a CC, I have long in advance booked my hotel
So anyone who cares to knows I shall be there (as will anyone reading this)
assuming my health is okay and there is no major hurricane or something preventing a drive south to DC

Last thing we would want is an anarchist doing something in one of these events and it gets blamed on the wrong side
in these matters.
Agitators have been known (was it the start of WW1?) to get the wrong person blamed.

BTW- I gave the nice elderly man across the street a nice tip for his guide to what really happened in 1963.
It was interesting watching as there was tour group listening in disbelief to what the guy was saying.
I even contributed a little to the conversation, and thought the people in that tour group probably were thinking odd things about me.
They obviously hadn't come to hear what that nice elderly man was saying, but had thought he was an official tour guide or something.

I would love to be in Dallas, have some good friends there (been there 23 different times in the past on pleasure and business) but not able to be there on this specific time period. I don't much fly, and it is a long drive (at least 2 days, if not 3).

[7wo7rees]

18. Impressive, Graham, always beware of anarchists and agitators!

So fortunate to have you here.

[Politicalboi]

4. Well, at least you can buy a gun

Are they bringing Poppy Bush there so he can remember where he was 50 years ago?

[7wo7rees]

8. He will never remember. nt Bless his dear heart.

[graham4anything]

12. but if they had 2013 security back then, the 3 bums wouldn't have had 41 excuses as to why they were

if you gather my meaning


Now if only they would do background checks and reinterpret the 2nd
militia=national guard
and have those machines to detect guns, there would be zero gun crime in the streets of America and one not have
their first amendment right taken away every single time they go to the streets anywhere because of a gun and bullet.

Remember, without a gun and without a bullet, RFK, Dr.King, and JFK would be alive today.
So would Allard Lowenstein. So would 82 people a day who died because of a gun and a bullet.

And so would Lee Harvey Oswald himself, as there was zero security but many cameras when Jack Ruby killed him,
for reasons we still have no idea.
Oswald would have been alive, and we could have heard him in trial to ascertain whether he did or did not act alone.

But if the library itself had a gun detector at ALL its doors, LHO never could have brought the gun into the building
and JFK would be alive today (well he would be really, really, really old today, 50 years later if still alive, and probably would have died of old age)

And even if LHO didn't do it, and someone else did, without LHO up there, the plan probably would not have worked,
and if there was 2013 security in the plaza itself, no one could have been hiding elsewhere.

(except for law enforcement, and never was there a question about any cop having done it, therefore the event would not have
occurred with 2013 security in place.)

[The Straight Story]

14. Well, we have 2013 security in place. Boston still happened

I know you prefer more control over yourself and others by a few people in DC (or you pretend you do at any rate to try to prove a point) but some of us don't see the mass of citizens as potential terrorists to be feared without cause (though it does help to control and push tax dollars to companies that make things to 'protect' us).

This is like the red scare all over again.

If you want less rights because you live your life scared all the time I don't know what to tell you.

[graham4anything]

17. Asleep at the wheel. Boston could have been prevented

but then thrillkiller fame seekers themselves, had it is said, planned it for the 4th of July (today) and they themselves
were surprised it was that day.

Assuming LHO did not act alone, do you not think they could have stopped it?
And if did act alone, then with proper security for guns, he never could have gotten the gun inside (though with the inane guns
laws today, if he had proper permits, I guess he could have).

But, that reminds me, it directly caused the government to change, so it proves guns are in effect to overthrow the government.
It did.

(Now, would a proper 2013 security have stopped Booth back in 1863? That is questionable, as Booth would use the backstage entrance, and while a theatre might have security, it wouldn't have it back there and the people at the door would know and trust Booth.

interesting thought.

[HiPointDem]

5. kr

[Hekate]

11. The 50th anniversary is a big deal, and the crowds will be a zoo. They are doing basic...

... crowd control.

If this gravels you so badly, go the day after or the week before, and avoid the crowds.

[7wo7rees]

13. Wrong. Always respect what you have to say though. This decision is wrong.

Crowd control is lame, Hekate. Lame and then lamer. I have been there, in the Plaza for at least the last 25 years. Crowd Control my ass. Please."Go the day after", really, "Avoid the crowds", rich. Thanks for the input. "If this gravels you so badly" - nice, WTH? Quite sure you probably have never been here. Sorry. I am pretty emotional about the whole affair. I think you, not so much.

[Hekate]

19. Well, you asked for input -- I am sorry if I was too offhand

I just figure there will be a very big crowd. I hope it works out for you to your satisfaction, and I mean that. Have you tried contacting the planning committee public relations person to ask about their reasoning?

I've never been to Texas at all, but I remember JFK's assassination all too well. It's burned into my memory.

Best wishes.

[7wo7rees]

25. Yep, Hekate, I have spent the last years of my life banking on being in a protest. Not!

to be arrested on principle. I honestly can't imagine anything less. I was in Crawford, Dallas and DC for the last 8 years for heavens sake. Satisfaction?"??? Thanks for your good will.

[The Straight Story]

16. I dunno, the old American way would be to

Let people in as is until it is full. First come, first served sort of thing.

Background checks? On the public entering a public place? Hell, we have 100,000 go to football games here, maybe to keep it safer we should do such checks each game (and we can all pay for said checks).

Busted for pot? Oops, you failed a check. And I am guessing, due to how our justice system works, a lot of blacks and latino folks won't be welcomed. Which is probably part of the plan to make it look more like 50 years ago.

[graham4anything]

21. Madison Square Garden has frisked me for 40 plus now.

They back then of course were looking for tape recorders and booze (In NYC back then, they didn't give 2 spits about smoking anything in there, as everyone did so).

But taping was another story

Now, we all get tickets over the net or phone and pay via c/c.

but we are all used to it after 40 years, and NYC is the most liberal place in the world (or top 10).

DO they really not have security outside your stadiums and arenas?

At Shea Stadium/Citi Field, at Giants stadium, at MSG, all have major security in NYC.

And on free bat day, now they give it to you on the way out, not on the way in (if they still even have that promotion.)

After Boston, I do hope this years Thanksgiving day parade is mega-secure.

And today is July 4th. Let's hope it's a safe one.

Use sunscreen.

[The Straight Story]

23. Did they run a background check on you? (nt)

[graham4anything]

26. How do I know they didn't? I know to pay via CC they already have to do a check

and now at some events, you need the CC and a photo id and receipt, though of course one can use someone else's possibly.

but if they got rid of scalpers, the day is coming that the person printing the ticket out will have to be the one buying the ticket
so, it is quite possible they do already do so.

Would I give up seeing say Bruce Springsteen at Giants stadium because I wouldn't want a background check?
Hell no. (or fill in the name of anyone).

Would I give up being in the democratic national convention were I to have the opportunity? Hell no.

I don't understand, really, I don't, what is the difference.

You buy an airline ticket, they know who you are (especially international) as you do have to have a passport.
Can people buy a fake one? Well, if they have a fake one, why? this isn't a Bourne movie, this is the real world.

Yes, I know my opinion is not popular with some.

And I have gone to concerts over the years in about 35 different states and one day want to do the baseball park tour.

You know though what got me pissed?
A few years ago driving NY to Los Angeles, we couldn't see Dodger Stadium.
They would not let us just drive in and see it (early morning prior to anything being open).
The guard wouldn't let us.
Now, that got me pissed. Would gladly have done a full background check just to see the stadium.
(never realized it was sort of hidden from the street).

Next time, we go out there, gonna buy a ticket and go to the game.
Like I did in SF.

When one sees a camera, wave.
And enjoy the game.

back later, time to workout.

[7wo7rees]

27. I wish I could be nicer.

You dear, are a jerk. Please accept my apology and leave this thread.
Thank you. You add not much to the discussion but thanks for your effort.

[7wo7rees]

22. Thank you. And off to bed. I hope Octafish sees this. I hope

he will come to Dallas. I know he will be here in spirit.

The rest up this thread, amusing. Thanks.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. While you're waiting for Octafish...

... I'll give you my two cents, since I have a bit of insomnia ... Were I to live near, I'd be there again. I don't, and it's a damn shame, cause I'd be cuffed and hauled off for protesting this requirement by the city of Dallas...

1) For 2,500 Dallas residents and same number of other (lots of them, foreign guests) wait until the morning of the 23 to pick up tickets after a background is absurd.

2) To have a background check that requires your name, e-mail, address, SSN, etc., is obstructive.

3) This is the most ridiculous level of security ever seen because it does nothing to prevent violence, which I'd never expect, because I've visited Dealey Plaza.

4) John Judge, who was interviewed on Black Op Radio (link: http://blackopradio.com/archives2013.html ) acquired minutes of an event planning meeting, so I know they don't want the nosey conspiracy groupers about JFK (of which I am one) and actual assassination researchers (who have been coming there for years) to come.

5) And, just who is doing Mayor Rawling's background check? Some PR firm?

6) And (get this) their security concern requires that there be no chairs, blankets, umbrellas, signs, etc. HOWEVER, the don't have concern for banning guns!

7) No...free speech is far more dangerous!

Honestly, I wish I could go. I'd remind them again that for 49 years, visitors got along without this Gestapo state.

Oh, and... and the 6th Floor Depository... http://comedy-quotes.com/bill-hicks/jfk_assassination.html

[7wo7rees]

24. AMEN and THANK YOU!! It is an affront to all of us!!

Now really to bed, but you really did address all the issues. Thank you.

[bananas]

28. k&r nt

[Mnemosyne]

29. K&R nt

[Octafish]

30. Sorry, I just discovered this thread.

Thank you for being in Dallas, 7wo7rees. What was your experience like this year? Did you write about it on DU?

I just found your OP via GOOGLE, trying to locate a post from way back when.

If I'd have seen your thread, I'd have posted on it. One important point:

President Kennedy had survived at least two attempts on his life and still went to Dallas.

1. Miami and, or, Tampa

2. PDF of Chicago

3. Dallas



Those 1,037 days of his administration marked one brief time when we thought there were better approaches to our problems. JFK kept the peace, prevented the Joint Chiefs from launching World War III more than once, integrated the FBI and Secret Service, made the federal government respect the rights of all citizens, and got us started to the moon. I bring it up because it is my hope, as I believe it is yours, that we return to that path one day, sooner rather than when it's too late.

Here's what I learned since its posting at Passing the Torch: International Symposium on the Fiftieth Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy:


Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?

JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People

After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.

JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings

JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee

JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963

JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford

Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM

Machine Gun Mouth

Thank also for remembering me, 7wo7rees.