we just stop and frisked the president of Bolivia

[Enrique]

and the Bolivians aren't appreciating it.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. who's "WE"? US was not stopping them.

other industrial nations that have many state secrets and terabytes of intelligence gathering do not want to condone whistle blower behavior. All of these EU nations want to make an example of Snowden too.

[morningfog]

3. It was at the behest of the US, either strongly suggested, demanded or coerced.

[KittyWampus]

6. No, it wasn't. It landed due to fuel/fuel gauge issues as per the BOLIVIAN PILOT> you've been punked

[morningfog]

10. Because they were denied landing to refuel in Portugal and Spain. Not punked.

The story is consistent.

[dkf]

12. Okay so they were just frisked then. That's okay with you?

I wonder how often that happens to Air Force one?

[CakeGrrl]

36. It's the new rule: It's all the fault of

the Evil Obama Empire, even if evidence points to the contrary, because, yeah.

[ForeignandDomestic]

55. Actually...

It's the evilness of the 1% that owns this empire and most of it's politicians. You think we're looking at Obama when actually we're looking through him and looking at who's behind the curtain.

[AtheistCrusader]

41. um, AFTER their original flight plan was disrupted.

It's not like the plane can just fucking float around up there forever when it is denied access to airspace it previously planned on flying through.

Or did the French apologize for NOTHING?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/03/1221078/-France-Apologizes-For-Disrupting-Bolivian-President-s-Flight?detail=hide

[Puglover]

61. Yes, and of course

standard procedure when there is a maintenance issue on an airplane is to circle for 3 hours.

[treestar]

48. If we're that powerful

and we are running the governments of the other countries of the world, you may as well give it up. It looks like we are going to dominate the planet, you'll have to find another one to live on.

[morningfog]

50. That is the nature of Imperialism. Notice the State Dept. and the nations involved

refuse to deny the US orchestrated this. It would be an easy no, if it were true.

[KittyWampus]

5. No one stopped them. They had fuel gauge problems and had to land.

[pscot]

29. That's the alibi du jour.

[treestar]

49. The wonderful thing about conspiracy theories

Is that they never have to be disproven. Find out it's just a gas gauge and you can just fold that into the conspiracy.

[morningfog]

51. Why did France apologize? Portugal and Italy admitted access was denied.

[stevenleser]

8. However the story needs to be spun to attack the US and Obama that's what we are going to get

'We' are apparently Austrian, although something tells me the OP doesn't know how to speak Hoch Deutsch, let alone the dialect in Vienna (Wien)

[sibelian]

11. Oh PLEASE STOP talking such absolute NONSENSE

At least pay the rest of us the simple courtesy of pretending to have read the bloody papers.

"All of these EU nations want to make an example of Snowden too" - the CHUTZPAH of this gibberish, it's the plain OPPOSITE of the truth.

If you're going to stink the board up with gobbledegook you could at least have the simple civility to ATTEMPT making it plausible.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

13. I bet England has at least much intelligence on you as the U.S. does

they are Big Brother personified.

[sibelian]

16. Do go on.

I'm all ears.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

19. so is England

and Obama. get it?

[sibelian]

21. Why am I interested in England?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

24. because 1984 is one of the top works of literature and it was written in England

about that government in the post war Big Brother years that have continued until this day.

And it is ludicrous to say the Rothschilds and Baron Von Moustaches of the world aren't just as interested in maintaining a security fortress as the U.S. is.

To imply the Europeans are FORCED by the U.S. to deny air space or otherwise coerce a head of state from South America is naive. They cooperate because they expect the same treatment when one of theirs goes rogue and starts spilling secrets.

[sibelian]

30. What's the American expression?

"cool story, bro"

[pscot]

31. You're being profiled

or is it Googleized

[sibelian]

34. Not very expertly if the result is "England".

[Scootaloo]

44. "Do not want to condone whistle-blower behavior"

This line bothers me greatly.

[Marrah_G]

63. Bullshit

[Ian David]

2. No, we did not.

BOOM: Austria says Morales' plane landed for fuel and audio from the plane confirms it (hahahaha)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023161401

[Mojorabbit]

4. They needed fuel because they were denied airspace on the way to the canary islands.

I believe they had to circle for hours. This has been what I have been reading since last night.
Peace, Mojo

[KittyWampus]

7. No, here is the flight path. It was direct.

[Mojorabbit]

9. They circled for three hours.

If you go through the news reports it is all there.

[NYC_SKP]

14. Those look a lot like driving directions from Vnukovo to Sheremetyevo airport.

http://goo.gl/maps/bWpec

[HiPointDem]

27. looks *exactly* like it, actually. lol.

[leveymg]

22. That isn't the route to Austria - it's the ring road around Moscow. You're a fool if you

think that proves anything other than another stupid lie on this board about this story. Shame on you.

[AtheistCrusader]

43. That was

sarcasm, trust me.

[leveymg]

46. Sarcasm only works if it's clear the joke isn't on the teller.

It's hard to determine who's the butt of any intended humor here.

[HiPointDem]

28. are you kidding? if so, who, us or yourself?

[Brewinblue]

32. Good Grief

That's a road map of the highways around Moscow.

[AtheistCrusader]

42. Loooooooool

The jokes, they write themselves!

[Scootaloo]

45. Okay. Now I KNOW you're jerking around.

Well played

[Democracyinkind]

53. Is this supposed to be a joke?

Do you even look at the pics you post???

[sibelian]

15. Mm-hm. Why would the president of Bolivia get pissed off about a fuel stop?

Is he just a big silly billy president making a storm in a teacup?

[JaneyVee]

17. He actually IS a silly billy President.

"Chicken causes baldness and homosexuality"-Evo Morales

[sibelian]

23. Well, that's me totally refuted.

waaaait

incidentally I'm bald(ish), gay and I eat chicken.

[JaneyVee]

25. I'm sure it's just a total coincidence.

[sibelian]

33. Chicken explains everything.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/15/andre-ford-chicken-farming

[JaneyVee]

35. Horrifying!

[sibelian]

37. It is pretty awful, isn't it?

Weirdly, a lot of vegans are apparently OK with it because it probably really would solve the problem of the West's appetite for meat without any animals having to suffer......

[RedCappedBandit]

40. Kinda seems less awful than the status quo...

[sibelian]

64. I have in fact almost come round to it

Having thought about it and tried to see if there's any sensible reason for it not to happen other than

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW HELL NO.

And I'm still trying to decide whether that in itself is a good enough reason. At the moment, in my head, it still is.

[RedCappedBandit]

65. Yeah, really, I'm right there with you

Logically, though, it just makes sense.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. Don't you mean roosters?

[Ian David]

60. Just because he's a president doesn't mean he's a grown-up. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

18. It's the American Way

[Pholus]

26. Who'da thought Toby Keith played well for some people on DU too... nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. It was a pretty crappy way to treat a head of state.

It comes off as very bullyish and belligerent.

[Cleita]

39. Oh, it's a President we didn't like, one our own CIA didn't install,

one who the people of Bolivia actually like. Terrible.

[treestar]

47. All of it took place in Europe!

FFS!

[intaglio]

52. The OP is not even wrong

This OP is just outrage addiction

1) The Bolivian plane reported a problem with it's fuel system (specifically a fuel gauge that was not working)

2) This is not an emergency and the Bolivian pilots did not declare an emergency

3) Because it was not an emergency airports do not have to disrupt their holding stacks and landing priorities

4) Various airports either did not have the facilities to for investigation or could not accommodate a non-emergency landing

5) The aircraft was told to return to an airport that had both room in its holding stack and facilities for investigation

6) France did not deny this aircraft access to its airspace

7) Spain did not refuse access to airspace

8) Portugal did not refuse access to airspace

9) ATCs would not give a reason for refusing access to holding stacks, the comment about Snowden is a fabrication by the Bolivians

10) Non-scheduled access to overcrowded holding stacks and landing facilities causes disruption and misery to thousands of people

... but of course reality does not enter the picture when you have a US President to defame

[Democracyinkind]

54. Regarding 7)....

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23174874

[intaglio]

57. Which is diplomatic speak

for we don't know what you are talking about bur if we did deny airspace it was not our fault.

If you actually look at the flight plans the aircraft already had approval for overflight, only turned round when the minor, non-emergency problem with the fuel gauge was discovered whilst the plane was still over Austria

[Democracyinkind]

59. That might very well be.

But it is just about as speculative as it gets.

[KansDem]

56. Was TSA sent over to grab his crotch?

Just curious...

[Enrique]

58. speaking of Evo Morales and crotches...

[woo me with science]

62. +1

Worse and worse.