Daily Kos, Democratic Underground Blast "Sociopathic," "Evil" Obama

[snooper2]

To say that the Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, and other progressive sites have carried the water for Obama since he emerged on the national stage is a drastic understatement. They've covered up lies, downplayed scandals, accused Republicans of everything from rape to murder, and through it all declared Barack Obama as one of their greatest heroes.

It takes a lot to turn the opinions of blinded sheep like these. And while they have yet to awaken to who the President really is, the NSA scandal and the government's stance on Edward Snowden has started to make them hate the man they once considered "the chosen one."

A mere month ago threads such as, "Obama Masterfully Uses Code Pink Heckler To Make His Case That GITMO Must Be Closed" were the norm on Democratic Underground. Responses such as, "Have you had a chance to to watch the speech in full, it was excellent" made up the comment sections.

And they quote some our our more "famous" DU'ers
http://www.punditpress.com/2013/06/daily-kos-democratic-underground-blast.html

and freepers, oh the stupid freepers-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3035024/posts


Now maybe people can see what a couple handfuls of trolls and conspiracy nuts who don't understand technology can do to a web forum (It's just a series of tubes, they listen' to all me calls ma!, President Obama had a plane stopped!)






Have a nice 4th of July President Obama and family!

[Buzz Clik]

1. Isn't that special. All our moles, trolls, and worry warts can see their contributions elsewhere.

[Coyotl]

120. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

[olddots]

2. This reminds me of a weekend at Pacifica Radio

n.t.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. ROFL

It's an editorial board meeting for Z Magazine.

[bunnies]

3. Fuck them and their bullshit.

I care more about what a steaming pile of dog shit thinks than I do of what these dimwit fucksticks think of us. But thats just me.

[Th1onein]

4. "A handful of trolls and conspiracy nuts who don't understand technology"?

Are you kidding me?

Thanks for insulting at least half of DU.

For your information, I have, personally, been on this forum since 2004, have voted a Democratic straight ticket ALL OF MY VOTING LIFE. And I supported and worked for and contributed to Barack Obama's campaigns.

I DO NOT LIKE BEING SPIED ON. What ABOUT that don't you get? It's a liberal idea, I admit, that one should be able to trust one's government to NOT SPY ON THEM, but there it is.

We support a liberal ideology. If President Obama does not, then he is not supported by those of us who call ourselves liberals. It doesn't mean we are trolls, or conspiracy nuts, or that we are ignorant of technology.

[snooper2]

7. What spying do you think is happening to you?

Are you one of the 117K foreign targets?

[morningfog]

11. Maybe they are a Verizon customer.

[snooper2]

13. knowing that 972-555-3322 called 817-555-2290

On 06-30-12 from 16:02GMT to 16:43GMT is not spying on you LOL

[morningfog]

14. Keeping a log of every action everyday is. lol.

[snooper2]

15. what log of every action?

[HappyMe]

20. 3:03pm est - subject took a dump.

3:06pm est - subject applies plunger, while scratching ass
5:30pm est - subject orders cheese pizza
8:00pm est - subject tweets and texts uninteresting crap to unsuspecting victims

[calimary]

89. You forgot the 6:30pm est note - subject farts out loud after consuming entire cheese pizza...

Guess they forgot to note it as well...

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. You didn't see Associated Press comment that such data collection has caused serious

quelling of information from journalist sources? If you're sharing sensitive information to the press, and know that your phone number has been recorded calling them, you'll know that you can easily be found. What fucking effect do you imagine this is having upon the sources of information upon which journalists rely? They're shutting up. Truths are being withheld. Paranoia increases.

Those who understand that the neocons and Bush are behind the security state know that this is a purposeful step to destroy investigation and leaks. Welcome to 1984 (even if you are unable to see it).

[OilemFirchen]

98. You disbelieve the President...

you disbelieve his cabinet, you disbelieve a majority of Democratic senators and congresspeople, you disbelieve half of the liberal punditocracy, and yet you believe Ron Fournier's Associated Press?

[graham4anything]

102. +1

[Progressive dog]

113. +1

[Fire Walk With Me]

118. Not absolutely, get a grip. Here:

Spying on The Associated Press - NYT
Spying on The Associated Press
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD - NYT
5/14/13

<snip>

The Obama administration, which has a chilling zeal for investigating leaks and prosecuting leakers, has failed to offer a credible justification for secretly combing through the phone records of reporters and editors at The Associated Press in what looks like a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.

On Friday, Justice Department officials revealed that they had been going through The A.P.’s records for months. The dragnet covered work, home and cellphone records used by almost 100 people at one of the oldest and most reputable news organizations. James Cole, a deputy attorney general, offered no further explanation on Tuesday, saying only that it was part of a “criminal investigation involving highly classified material” from early 2012.

Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. said he could not comment on the details of the phone records seizure, which he said was an open investigation — although he was happy to comment on the open investigation into the tax audits of conservative groups, which he said might have been criminal and were “certainly outrageous and unacceptable.”

Both Mr. Holder and Mr. Cole declared their commitment — and that of President Obama — to press freedoms. Mr. Cole said the administration does not “take lightly” such secretive trolling through media records.

We are not convinced. For more than 30 years, the news media and the government have used a well-honed system to balance the government’s need to pursue criminals or national security breaches with the media’s constitutional right to inform the public. This action against The A.P., as the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press outlined in a letter to Mr. Holder, “calls into question the very integrity” of the administration’s policy toward the press: http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/briefs-comments/media-coalition-letter-department-justice-regarding-ap-su

<snip>

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1&

From here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022847922

And if you are so quick to believe Obama, how the hell can you overlook under his watch, the death of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America? You know about that, right? Right?

[OilemFirchen]

121. Yes, yes, yes.

The poor put-upon AP got caught with their Looneytarian pants down. In the process, it would appear, possibly, that some, or a few, or many broke the law. The DoJ is investigating such. Might be an overreach by the gummint, but, so far, I don't give one runny shit about the AP's mewling.

I know a bit about the Fourth Estate. Journalists, while given a wide berth, are not afforded carte blanche as regards the First Amendment. Nobody is, BTW - there are limits to free speech - libel, slander, and, of course, the disclosure of State Secrets which potentially harm overseas operatives.

Your last sentence, BTW, is worthy of only a brief comment:

[Fire Walk With Me]

127. Your utter lack of concern regarding the death of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments are duly noted.

Why again are you involved in politics if this concerns you not at all?

There are many here who call to question the values of the democratic party, or proffer what they believe it to be. I say it should be FDR values as well as a very healthy respect and dedication to the founding articles of this very country. Yet you appear only interested in mockery and emoticons.

Again, duly noted. Disgusting.

[OilemFirchen]

131. What makes you think I'm "involved in politics"?

FTR, I'm a working stiff. Nonetheless, I'm able to recognize wild-eyed crackpots with a simple perusal of their utterances. Your particular brand of crazy merits nothing but ridicule. Sorry that mockery and emoticons are all that's available on this medium, but it's the best I've got.

[Fire Walk With Me]

135. If you work, you'll need to know these =facts= about your pay grade:

Yet like the other facts I've presented which you've utterly avoided parsing, there is nothing in this for you. Those who can actually watch it and perhaps follow up with a little research will find outrage and a will to make Change.

Good luck to you, you'll truly need it. Being willingly unaware of what is occurring in this country is not an attractive position from which to preach. You're very good at it, however.

[OilemFirchen]

137. Let's try this:

I've never seen the need to be overly verbose. I've lived through enough bureaucratic briefings, corporate meetings and self-aggrandizing speechifying to appreciate that most people simply love to hear the sound of their own voices (or, in this case, the appearance of their own words.). My career has been marked by complex work product and the best of my peers have used the shortest route to describe and attain solutions.

You, on the other hand, offer very little substance, presented with a plethora of useless verbiage, data and visuals. I have no problem understanding what you're saying, I'm simply not impressed. The more you attempt to sway me with grandiosity, the more ridicule you'll face from me.

Wanna engage me in thoughtful dialog? Try a bit of conversation. Otherwise, I'll emoticon you to death.

[Tarheel_Dem]

153. +1000! Daayyyuuummm!

[Tarheel_Dem]

119. +2

[CokeMachine]

134. Oh come on

If you have nothing to hide what's the problem or so I've been told!!!

[aquart]

156. Didn't stop Deep Throat.

You know how my grandfather used to plot, way back in Lithuania? He and his commie pals took rowboats out onto the lake.

Life before cell phones was rich and full. And full of secrets.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. the ACLU and the NYCLU think otherwise.

And it is quite clear that besides phone call meta-data quite a lot of other stuff that you will also have to claim is "not spying on you" is being collected.

Being an authoritarian apologist on the internet is quickly becoming a full time job.

[Progressive dog]

116. ACLU and NTCLU are not selling the government

is out to get you stuff. In fact, I didn't see them mention "authoritarian" in the lawsuit announcement.

[Warren Stupidity]

140. No, they are "selling" the government is engaged in a massive domestic surveillance program stuff.

And that this is a violation of our 4th amendment rights.

But carry on with your absurd authoritarian talking points. Don't forget the ROFLs.

[Progressive dog]

141. Can't give up authoritarian name calling, can you

because your 'facts' and "supporting opinions" are made up.

[Warren Stupidity]

143. I've made up the fact that the ACLU and NYCLU are suing over the verizon meta-data revelation?

Having had the authoritarians here call us everything in the book for the last three weeks I no longer give a rat's ass about civility.

[Progressive dog]

147. Still at the name-calling, they sued over same thing in 2007

and I don't give a rat's ass about being civil to the Paulite crowd or the rest of the anarchist group. Run to your state government, see how well your civil rights are protected there.

[Warren Stupidity]

150. Yes they did. That was back when the toadies were allowed to criticize the Bush administration.

Not so much now. Now they have to suck it up and defend the indefensible. Oh well...

And now for what is interesting (accidentally) about your post. The reason why the ACLU and NYCLU can refile this suit is that it was tossed out previously due to the "lack of standing" catch-22 for national security 4th amendment cases. Thanks to the (wait for it....)

SNOWDEN LEAK

the ACLU now has the documentation and the NYCLU now has the required standing. Ooops....

Ah. Yes, there is that.

[Progressive dog]

154. Snowden leak, still denied by Verizon

so if standing depends on testimony from Snowden., they are still unlikely to prevail.

[merrily]

44. Yeah, government never abuses that kind of thing.

[dawg]

56. Actually, yes it is.

How many extramarital affairs in this country do you think have been discovered through meta data? Thousands? Millions?

Now, the government can search anyone they want for "connections". It is an amazingly powerful set of data, ripe for horrific abuse.

[Summer Hathaway]

81. Why don't you tell us

how many extra-marital affairs have been 'discovered' through meta data?

My guess would be zero.

Do you honestly think anyone is mining through meta data to uncover affairs? And for what purpose?

Of course, if you have any evidence that "thousands" or "millions" of affairs have been discovered, please post it here. I'm sure we'll all be amazed.

[dawg]

83. You think no one ever noticed a number that kept popping up on the phone bill ...

got suspicious, and then found out something was going on?

Now, instead of a spouse finding out, shadowy government agencies (and contractors) will have access to troll meta data for "connections".

It's silly to think that this information will never be abused.

[Summer Hathaway]

88. Yes, individuals 'notice'

unusual phone activity on their own phone bills.

To think that some "shadowy gov't agency" would "troll metadata" looking for that kind of "connection" is too absurd.

Agent Mike: "I've been trolling through the millions of phone records that are pouring in every minute of every day, and couldn't help but notice that (555)-1212 has called (555)-0001 pretty frequently. Maybe we should investigate this fully and see if someone is screwing someone they shouldn't be."

And again I ask: for what purpose? Do you honestly believe that the entire metadata collection system was created in order to blackmail people who are having affairs?

This site really has become a looney-bin.

[ohheckyeah]

90. First of all,

the meta data will be evaluated by a software program,not Agent Mike.

And if they aren't looking for connections, then why the hell are they keeping the meta data? Just for fun?

[Summer Hathaway]

94. Well, isn't it obvious?

They're looking for "connections" between phone numbers in order to find out who's playing hide-the-salami with someone else's wife.

Then "they" can use the information to blackmail the parties involved.

[ohheckyeah]

97. I didn't mention blackmail or someone else's wife....

they ARE looking for connections. You said they aren't but if they aren't looking for connections then there isn't much point, now is there?

[Summer Hathaway]

104. I never said they weren't looking for connections.

I'm sure they are - but those connections have to do with national security concerns, NOT who's shtuppin' who.

[Th1onein]

145. Wrong again.

ACTUALLY, they've used the information that they've collected for industrial espionage. Somehow, you see, PRIVATE companies got hold of it and used it.

What's that about national security purposes again? Huh?

[Summer Hathaway]

148. ...

Was it a company that manufactures these ?

There seems to be a growing market for them.

[Th1onein]

159. Is that all you got? An ad hominem attack?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/27/eavesdropping-on-the-planet/

[dawg]

92. You really don't get it, do you?

Agent Mike is told to run a diagnostic on a certain number (which happens to belong to a Congresswoman with a key swing-vote on an important upcoming bill). The diagnostic reveals certain patterns.

Congresswoman X then gets a telephone call the day before the big vote.

Or, for example, look how they took down Spitzer. Sure, he was guilty of soliciting a prostitute. But he was also guilty of challenging Wall Street. They probably didn't need telephone data to catch him, but it probably would have been handy.

Meta data is like a goldmine that can be used to subvert democracy in thousands of ways.

Anyone standing for the 99% had better be an unimpeachable angel from now on. Corporate lackeys get a pass.

[Summer Hathaway]

101. Congresswoman X

is more likely to be 'caught' being indiscreet by watching her car being parked outside a motel in the middle of the afternoon, or going through her garbage where credit card receipts might tell a tale, or chatting up her nosy neighbors, or passing a few bucks to her disgruntled-and-talkative housekeeper, or being surreptitiously photographed being a bit too touchy-feely with a man who is not her husband.

And none of the above leaves an electronic trail that could backfire on those attempting to access her personal data through "the system".

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. Take a look at the 2014 NDAA section 1061, which provides for the creation of a brand-new

department in the surveillance state which will do nothing but analyze captured data and metadata.

Of course they're not spying on us. And this new division has nothing, zero zip zilch nada to analyze. What disappointing reports they'll be filing.

Are you not aware that police departments are tentacles of DHS through the iWatch program? Specifically? Knowing that (easily proven, links provided), see what LAPD are doing regarding spying and the mass collection of private data and conversation, and know it's likely nation-wide and that yes, it goes to DHS and DHS share such data with the other acronym agencies (FOIA documents are specifically redacted regarding inter-agency sharing under DHS etc. request).



Spying is local too......look no further than the Los Angeles Police Department

http://www.laactivist.com/2013/06/21/bringing-the-argument-home-about-domestic-spying

Besides the SARs and iWatch programs, the LAPD also has several cameras positioned around the city that use TrapWire technology, a predictive software that can allegedly detect suspicious behavior in connection with terrorism.

Another technology employed by the LAPD is a suitcase-sized device called StingRay. It mimics a cell phone tower, tricking every cell phone in a neighborhood into connecting to it. Once connected, police can grab information from everyone’s phone in the area, not just the suspects.

StingRay was purchased with Dept. of Homeland Security Funds. It was meant for counterterrorism, but according to documents obtained by LA Weekly, in 2012, the LAPD used StingRay 21 times within four-months in burglary, drug and murder investigations.

The LAPD has said their use of StingRay is legal. However, the department remains extremely secretive about it, declining to explain how the devices are used, how much money was spent on them or whether or not the department adequately explains the power of the technology to judges when seeking search warrants.

(Much more at the link.)


For more reading:

How LAPD are made into a tentacle of the DHS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022154200

[merrily]

42. Was Shia LaBeouf? Was Senator Obama?

[Electric Monk]

60. That first url in your OP is absfuckinglutely loaded with tracking widgets. Try ghostery. nt

[snooper2]

64. Not my website

Not my problem

[Hekate]

96. Oh crap. I clicked on it, not knowing any better.

There are sites I will not click on, but a lot of times I trust fellow DUers to not give us cooties.

[Electric Monk]

114. It says a lot that the OP, snooper2, upon being informed of such, couldn't give a shit about it.

It really makes me question their motives in starting this thread at all.

[Hekate]

163. Speaking of cooties and all...

... DU really is overrun these days.

[Mojorabbit]

76. I hope these mostly DEMOCRATIC senators find out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3142617

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens [View all]

A bipartisan group of 26 US senators has written to intelligence chiefs to complain that the administration is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens.

The senators accuse officials of making misleading statements and demand that the director of national intelligence James Clapper answer a series of specific questions on the scale of domestic surveillance as well as the legal justification for it.

In their strongly-worded letter to Clapper, the senators said they believed the government may be misinterpreting existing legislation to justify the sweeping collection of telephone and internet data revealed by the Guardian.

"We are concerned that by depending on secret interpretations of the Patriot Act that differed from an intuitive reading of the statute, this program essentially relied for years on a secret body of law," they say.

...

In a press statement, the group of senators added: "The recent public disclosures of secret government surveillance programs have exposed how secret interpretations of the USA Patriot Act have allowed for the bulk collection of massive amounts of data on the communications of ordinary Americans with no connection to wrongdoing."

[Th1onein]

142. I'M A VERIZON CUSTOMER

And I watch the news. And I heard Clapper. That's enough for me, kiddo. Should be enough for you, too.

And by the way? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SNOWDEN AND GREENWALD.

[dennis4868]

8. You are not being spied on

and black government helicopters are not coming for you. So much misinformation on this site and others.

[Th1onein]

19. Right, dennis4868, because.........

as Clapper told us, it's not collecting until they actually take the book off of the shelf and read it.

What does that sound like to you? Sorry, but it sounds to me like they have the "books," and they are storing all of our information in them. So, yeah, I think they're spying on us, wholesale, indiscriminately.

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. Agreed. THEY are ignorant of the Constitution, its 4th Amendment, and that under Obama,

the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States have been effectively overturned. And they appear to have no problem with it because a DEMOCRAT DID IT / ALLOWED IT.

[Ikonoklast]

65. You do not own that data, it belongs to your service provider.

You might still think it belongs to you, but it has been adjudicated many times over the years otherwise, every time.

No matter how many times you say it isn't so, the fact is that you cannot control what you do not own.

[Th1onein]

152. And I don't own my words when they are spoken into a landline phone either? BULLSHIT.

Privacy is privacy. Technology doesn't change that.

[OilemFirchen]

103. Yippee!

Another blockbuster bit of inanity the author of the referenced pile of shit can add to his list.

They should hand out awards, I tell ya.

[Fire Walk With Me]

123. You are astonishing. Here, in case you are actually willing to parse the facts or search for them:

-Under the extreme crack-down on whistle-blowers and leakers, journalists and activists, the 1st Amendment is effectively dead.

Spying on The Associated Press
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD - NYT
5/14/13

The Obama administration, which has a chilling zeal for investigating leaks and prosecuting leakers, has failed to offer a credible justification for secretly combing through the phone records of reporters and editors at The Associated Press in what looks like a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.

On Friday, Justice Department officials revealed that they had been going through The A.P.’s records for months. The dragnet covered work, home and cellphone records used by almost 100 people at one of the oldest and most reputable news organizations. James Cole, a deputy attorney general, offered no further explanation on Tuesday, saying only that it was part of a “criminal investigation involving highly classified material” from early 2012.

http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/briefs-comments/media-coalition-letter-department-justice-regarding-ap-su

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1&

TransCanada Caught Training Police to Treat Nonviolent Keystone XL Protesters as Terrorists
http://ecowatch.com/2013/transcanada-caught-training-police-nonviolent-keystone-xl-protesters-terrorists/

And just look at the 7700 or so Occupy Wall Street activist arrests, but zero zero zero banksters arrested. If you protest the theft of trillions from the people, you will be met with militarized riot police. If you steal trillions from the people, you get to keep it and keep getting bailouts (from taxpayer monies).

Images at the end of this post.


-Under the DHS claim that they can seize your personal electronics on a HUNCH anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland from there, the 4th Amendment is effectively dead.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=dhs+hunch&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=dhs+hunch&sc=0-6&sp=-1&sk=


-Under the recent ruling that silence in court can be used against you, the 5th Amendment is effectively dead.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=silence+in+court+used+against+you&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=silence+in+court+used+against+you&sc=0-11&sp=-1&sk=


WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION. LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING DONE TO OUR COUNTRY. How do you people not know what is occurring when it is posted here all day long, every day.













Here's Obama saying in 2011 that Egyptian "authorities" should be decent to their protesting citizens, that attacks on peaceful protesters are unacceptable. DO NOTE THAT IT'S FINE TO DO TO AMERICANS.

Or have you even read this far?

[OilemFirchen]

125. Brevity used to be the soul of wit.

Or have you even read this far?

[Fire Walk With Me]

128. You managed to read to the end? Good. Now here's hoping that you have a PROBLEM

with the death of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America, because that is exactly what has occurred. I'm not interested in wit. You are. I am interested in motivating people to DO SOMETHING about the incremental death of the freedoms guaranteed in our founding documents. Others are only interested in blindly, absolutely supporting the corporate shill now in office, somehow believing he's not only a Democrat (HA!) but that he actually has the people of the country in his heart and mind.

Very, very useful idiots, if I may quote Barrett Brown.

Here are some more facts for you to very quickly skim over, not actually open and read or parse, then post a quick quip which has nothing to do with them whatsoever. GO:


Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900

"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."


8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill

"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasn’t mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is what’s known as “tax extenders”, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.

5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters – Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so that’s saying something. According to David Cay Johnston’s The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."


The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama

Yes, Virginia, the Rich Continue to Get Richer: the Top 1% Got 121% of Income Gains Since 2009
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/02/yes-virginia-the-rich-continue-to-get-richer-the-1-got-121-of-income-gains-since-2009.html

U.S. banks in 2012 post highest profits since '06
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/26/us-usa-fdic-earnings-idUSBRE91P0N820130226?utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=de8376aab3-DD_2_27_132_27_2013&utm_medium=email#.US5jjkXSlU8.twitter

This Year’s Subsidy to Wall Street = the Amount of This Year’s Sequester Cuts
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/this-years-subsidy-to-wall-street-the-amount-of-this-years-sequester-cuts.html#.US_yiFwwnHY.facebook

Don’t Blink, or You’ll Miss Another Bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100466032

America faces more than a dozen deadlines, all caused by billionaires and wealth transfer
http://americablog.com/2013/02/america-faces-more-than-a-dozen-deadlines-all-caused-by-billionaires-and-wealth-transfer.html

Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/09-5

[OilemFirchen]

132. Good gawd you're a bore.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[Fire Walk With Me]

133. My prediction is verified, thank you:

"Here are some more facts for you to very quickly skim over, not actually open and read or parse, then post a quick quip which has nothing to do with them whatsoever."

Obviously some must stand by the president no matter how egregious his acts against the people and the founding principles of the nation itself. When Bush did it, uproar. When Obama made it far worse, blind sycophantry and mockery of any not taking the same stance or daring to show the emperor is not wearing any clothes.

Hi, the fucking Constitution is being killed. Some may take alarm when they come to realize this. Others?

That these people vote...

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

39. More like the overwhelming majority

And they called us 'racist' just like that fuck.

These totalitarians make me wanna puke sometimes

[SidDithers]

5. DU rec...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

6. Big REC and KICK!

[think]

9. I'm am ashamed

of congress, the NSA, and the M$M


Don't really care about this hit piece though. Sorry......

[Bobbie Jo]

17. Seriously?

It looks like most of those freeper responses were lifted straight off GD.

Nice work.

[sikofit3]

73. How else

How else do you think they get their post numbers above 500... so lame isn't it?

[FiveGoodMen]

18. Ignored with extreme prejudice

[WilliamPitt]

22. Derp

[snooper2]

66. being an author I would think you would have a more interesting analysis

than- derp


That's so 1996 by the way

[WilliamPitt]

77. Herp Derp

Better?

[Kurovski]

86. +100

Even if it's more words than necessary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

126. Too clever by half!

[Oilwellian]

171. ROFL

Literally.

[Gore1FL]

91. You're better than that. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

130. So they always tell me.

[Gore1FL]

157. It has been my experience that you are.

I'm not sure what the cat picture has to do with it, exactly.

[progressoid]

23. Well that makes all the difference in the world.

These erudite assessments from such distinguished sources, have convinced me that I am nothing more that a rube. Trolls and conspiracy nuts have fooled me again.

Drat and double drat.

[wandy]

24. Well, it is what you'd expect..................

Freepers, oldcogerform folk and the like have no way to understand what has been going on here for the past few weeks.
Let's face it they are given a script by either Limbaugh, Drudge or fox and simply parrot the party line.
They have no concept of the type of discussions or even discourse that has been going on here.
In their world breaking with the party line is sacrilegus.

We, know their is a problem. We present our views, and batter out a course of action on which to proceed.

I just hope none of us gets all too very black and blue in the process of defining that course.
I also hope that we can come to an agreement as to how we can effectively express our displeasure with the NSA.
Soon.

[whatchamacallit]

26. The super duper snooper scooper

dumps off another load.

[MjolnirTime]

30. You can always go play under the Old Elm Tree if you want to find those of your ilk.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. +1

[whatchamacallit]

40. Shouldn't you be hiding in embarrassment

after channeling John Bolten in your right wing Morales post?

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. ???

[whatchamacallit]

57. Oops my bad, that was Tx4obama

Carry on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. You do tend to get things wrong, don't you?

[whatchamacallit]

84. Sometimes

[Progressive dog]

117. Now that picture is funny

[whatchamacallit]

35. And you can always go play at Free Republic if you want to find those of *your* ilk.

There's plenty of people like me here. The folks who think this scandal is meaningless are an ignorant minority on DU.

[MjolnirTime]

38. Why go elsewhere? This is the Democratic Underground. I'm a Democrat.

I support our Party and its President.

What else are you here for?

You are dead wrong if you think you are in the majority here.

[whatchamacallit]

41. Prove it.

[MjolnirTime]

43. I support President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Do you?

[whatchamacallit]

53. No not that you're a democrat

prove that DUers who regard the NSA issue as much-ado-about-nothing are in the majority.

[Mojorabbit]

78. Then why don't you support

these Democratic senators? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3142617

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens [View all]

A bipartisan group of 26 US senators has written to intelligence chiefs to complain that the administration is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens.

The senators accuse officials of making misleading statements and demand that the director of national intelligence James Clapper answer a series of specific questions on the scale of domestic surveillance as well as the legal justification for it.

In their strongly-worded letter to Clapper, the senators said they believed the government may be misinterpreting existing legislation to justify the sweeping collection of telephone and internet data revealed by the Guardian.

"We are concerned that by depending on secret interpretations of the Patriot Act that differed from an intuitive reading of the statute, this program essentially relied for years on a secret body of law," they say.

...

In a press statement, the group of senators added: "The recent public disclosures of secret government surveillance programs have exposed how secret interpretations of the USA Patriot Act have allowed for the bulk collection of massive amounts of data on the communications of ordinary Americans with no connection to wrongdoing."

[snooper2]

67. What do you do for a living again?

[SidDithers]

129. The Old Elm Tree has withered and died...

That's why so many Elmer's keep coming back to DU again and again and again.



Sid

[Tarheel_Dem]

155. "The Old Elm Tree has withered and died." That explains so much. Little acorns everywhere....

I guess mere ODS alone, isn't a sustainable business plan, huh?

[MjolnirTime]

27. and they claim this is their messageboard. These people are trash.

[Democracyinkind]

28. What's with the obsession about what wingnuts and paulbots think about DU?

[Mojorabbit]

79. I know right! nt

[L0oniX]

151. Well ...we want to follow Obama's example and reach out to the GOP.

NOT!

[madrchsod]

29. blah,blah,blah

too bad the right wing hacks don't criticize their fellow travelers on the right.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. Ya know, it's kinda hard to tell the difference anymore. The extreme left & the extreme right....

have joined forces. They rule the internetz!!!!!

[dionysus]

36. a pack of imbeciles, all...

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. It's embarrassing. Liberals used to be smarter than teanutters. I blame NorquistDogLake.

[eissa]

48. They've gone so far left

they've turned the bend and entered teabagger territory without even realizing it. I half expect to see posts exclaiming "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!" or avatars containing a yellow flag with a snake on it. DU has been my little oasis to escape RW family members, and teabaggers in this little red enclave I live in. Look at what it has become

[MineralMan]

54. It is the Worm Ouroboros.

It's never-ending.

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. The languague is strikingly similar. "CONSTITUTION"! "OBAMACARE SUCKS"! You get the idea.

I don't recognize these people as liberals, and I think there's a very good reason for that.

[Mojorabbit]

82. Maybe it is an age thing

I am pushing 60 and I remember what Democrats stood for when I was a young woman. The party has moved so far to the right it is almost unrecognizable. Other than a few politicians like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders that are working for the average Joe, the rest of the party is what a moderate republican was in the day and a good part of them are beholden to corporate interests. And yes I am pissed off at this.
Peace, Mojo

[OilemFirchen]

110. We're the same age.

I remember Lyndon Johnson.

Name ring a bell?

[Mojorabbit]

138. I remember Kennedy and I remember LBJ and the great society

I remember J Edgar Hoover. He was wrong on a lot of things but he was right on this. " Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period. The Great Society in scope and sweep resembled the New Deal domestic agenda of Franklin D. Roosevelt." and this "Medicare

The Social Security Act of 1965 authorized Medicare and provided federal funding for many of the medical costs of older Americans.[23] The legislation overcame the bitter resistance, particularly from the American Medical Association, to the idea of publicly funded health care or "socialized medicine" by making its benefits available to everyone over sixty-five, regardless of need, and by linking payments to the existing private insurance system.
Medicaid

In 1966 welfare recipients of all ages received medical care through the Medicaid program. Medicaid was created on July 30, 1965 under Title XIX of the Social Security Act of 1965. Each state administers its own Medicaid program while the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) monitors the state-run programs and establishes requirements for service delivery, quality, funding, and eligibility standards.(yes it is wikipedia)

I remember when people were appalled at govt. doing things like this. I remember the outcry when Nixon was caught. I did not know a single person who said, "Oh nothing to see here". I am terribly creeped out at the people on this board who call themselves Democrats who are ok with the spying.

[OilemFirchen]

146. Do you think that the Democratic Party has moved to the right of LBJ?

Obviously, The Great Society was a monumental step forward, but it emerged from a huge void. I'd like to think that any of the subsequent Democratic Presidents would have advanced such a program, had it (and its corresponding benefits) not already been put in place.

But there was Vietnam, of course, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, his attacks on the press and his unfortunate cabinet appointments - to name but a few.

I'm of the conviction that Obama is more liberal than Johnson; specifically, that he would not have escalated the Vietnam conflict and moreso that he would, as he has (and is) have brought the U.S. troops home. I don't believe for a moment that he would have cared about the political implications of "coddling Commies", despite the possibility of career ruination.

Your opinion may well differ. But to suggest that "the party has moved so far to the right it is almost unrecognizable" is hyperbolic and simply not true.

[Mojorabbit]

162. You are correct. Our opinions are polar opposites from each other.

I could pull a thousand examples but I am sure it would make no difference.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
Peace, Mojo

[Number23]

144. Posters here have openly accused others of being "UNAMERICAN"

And that they are the Defenders of the Constitution riding into the night protecting the 4th amendment like Paul Revere on meth. I mean if you don't at these people, it is too easy to be because like you said, they sound JUST LIKE THE FUCKING TEA BAGGERS.

And it ENRAGES them to hear that but they seem absolutely powerless to do anything about it.

[Marr]

166. Excuse me, but it's the self-described "centrists" who side with Dick Cheney. /nt

[dionysus]

34. first comment from the article:

"Anonymous June 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM
I voted O once. It was date rape. I thought I hated Bush and his pet gorilla -- but I knew Bush was a monster. O had my daughters working for his campaign.

That earns a special place for hatred in me. That f##king bastard in black face, made us all feel squishy inside...

Chicago Bro goes to Washington to clean house... NOT!

O is just a house ngger for Wall St... sorry, but there are no kind words to describe his particular brand of treachery... he used race to woo us all into thinking a black man could make a difference.... I HATE HIM FOR THAT"


I wonder what DUer wrote that?

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. "O is just a house ngger for Wall St"??? You may not see that exact language here, but the....

implications are frighteningly similar.

[JaneyVee]

37. Oh Jeez, the comments on that article are equally terrifying.

[MineralMan]

45. Handy Tips for Carrying Water for the Libertarian Crowd and the Right...

[GeorgeGist]

47. Carrying water for Free Republic now, eh?

Enjoy your stay.

[MineralMan]

50. Uh, no. It's not Snooper2 who is carrying

their water. Truly.

[ananda]

52. Well, we've been plagued by trolls here for quite a while.

Even in the jury system.

[Kolesar]

61. I trusted Obama until the chained cpi

blah blah blah

[Galraedia]

58. The Pundit Press is a libertarian/conservative blog

The only thing they're good for is instigating and manipulating people.

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. But they're "instigating and manipulating" here. That's what's most disturbing. nt

[G_j]

95. it was actually my observation after reading to

to this point, that you've been manipulated into further attacking Democrats.

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. "Democrats"?

Good one!

[G_j]

105. yep

You read that correctly.

[Tarheel_Dem]

109. Stop it! You're killin' me!

[MineralMan]

68. Yes, and that's what is

worrisome. They're finding and quoting material right here on DU that demonstrates the success of their plan to manipulate people. Things are coming full circle, it seems.

Right wing sites used to quote DU posts and then ridicule them. Now, they're posting quotes from DU as evidence that they are correct.

It's an issue.

[Galraedia]

74. I tried to tell them to back away from Snowden.

They're already trying to tie us to Snowden so that they can make us out to be anti-American. This just serves to lower our morale and raise the morale of conservatives to get out in vote in 2014. They're going to demonize Obama and run on the platform of stopping his 'evil' agenda.

[Major Hogwash]

87. I tried to get them to back away from their keyboards.

Instead all we got was more of this --

[SleeplessinSoCal]

93. I try to make the point that there are so many important issues that are going to be harmed

by Obama bashing over the NSA. And to try to get Feinstein to do something about the problems with it and the Michael Hastings accident. (not going to put it in quotes because that too can be used against me and my issues).

[Notafraidtoo]

59. Lot of hyperbole there.

Its not easy to find comments like that here at DU,they claim we are blind followers almost none of us are. Then they claim we think Obama is evil almost none of us if any really think that.

One comment at the end was interesting about how disagreeing with Obama policy's make us racist like them, saying its only logical ROFL. There is a decent amount of people here that equate disagreeing with the president on any issue with racism. I find that to be just as disturbing as all the George Zimmerman supporters and NRA teabaggers in the gun forum.

[certainot]

69. you sound like limbaugh- "chosen one" is a long-used term for obama since they decided to oppose

everything he did. team limbaugh was then used to pass the lie that obama voters thought obama was "the messiah" who could bring us all together and fix everything immediately - their straw man. so they could spend 5 years obstructing everything while hurting the 99% and blaming it all on a corrupt foreign born traitor.

pretty soon the think tank plan began to work and even so called "progressives" aided by trolls on this and other sites like dailykos, began to believe it and many decided not to vote in 2010.

well done.

when you use "chosen one" seriously, you expose yourself.

[snooper2]

71. A huge 747 just flew over your head

It was white with a green spot on each wing

FYI

[sikofit3]

72. Those F@#%ers

It has been so transparent that this was the agenda all along and here is the proof. I think they have another thing coming to them because unlike freeperville and other conservatives we are not idiots and will not be made an example of and they will find this out! The true intelligence and knowledge on this site will prevail any plot, even amongst regular Duer's who have arguments we all have been united on a larger scale for the same ideals. What this says to me is that they are desperate and really are in the last throws of their ideology and to that I say bring it on!

[Safetykitten]

75. Well, I for one am wondering where my comments are. As a RW hack I have failed.

[frylock]

112. better luck tomorrow

[Deep13]

80. While somewhat overstated, they're not wrong. nt

[Coyotl]

100. Time to clean up the Troll problem on DU yet?

When they post crap here for the explicit purpose of reposting it on their right-wing sites, nothing happens.

[Cha]

106. Poor eternally deluded assholes.. think a bunch of emos who have always had

ODS have let Greenwald, Snowden, and Assange turn their heads into hate. It was always fucking there.

Mahalo snooper

[frylock]

108. this is your daily dose of shut the fuck up, proles..

get in line, otherwise the repubs will say bad things.

[L0oniX]

149. ^^^^this^^^^

[Progressive dog]

111. ^^K&R^^

Well said.

[LittleBlue]

115. A dim bulb resembles the sun when you've spent 8 years in darkness

The desperation of the Bush years was crushing, I almost gave up bothering with politics. Obama was a blank canvas, and I projected on him all the things I wanted to see.

To be honest, I regret ever supporting him. From now on, I will never support any politician before seeing how they govern.

Oh and if any Freepers are reading this while wanking, don't gloat, because this ship is going down and we're all on it. And none of your Tea Party weirdos help in the slightest to keep us afloat.

[Coyotl]

122. Well, "a couple handfuls of trolls and conspiracy nuts who don't understand technology"

don't need to understand technology to cash their paychecks from the tax-exempt 501(c)4 that pays our trolls.

And, guess what, there a lot more of those than you think. In fact, one paid troll can have a dozen personas on one thread and several arguments with oneself at the same time.

[In Truth We Trust]

124. If it walks like...I hate enablers of fascism btw you tool.

[Number23]

139. Damn. Freaking MORTIFYING

I swear, if this doesn't wake the admins up...

[Fumesucker]

158. DU is a business, to a point more conflict equals more clicks equals more income

Business strategy 101.

[emulatorloo]

160. Yes.

and thanks for pointing it out.

[Scurrilous]

170. Bingo.

[hootinholler]

161. So. What?

I don't recognize any of those quotes. I guess I need a program or something.

The last god damned thing we need around here is a fucking witch hunt.

[Aerows]

164. I'd rather agree with someone that I loathe that is absolutely right

than agree with someone that I love that is absolutely wrong. Politics makes strange bedfellows at times. If you can't disagree with me without not loving me anymore, then ... you probably didn't love me in the first place.

[Bluenorthwest]

167. Do you 'find' these right wing hate sites in your daily doings or is 'Punditpress' your

own blog?
Very impressive emoticon use, persuasive and nuanced. Definitive.

[snooper2]

168. a troll sent me the link

[Scurrilous]

169. LOL

Thanks a lot ignore feature...now I miss all the crazy @#$%.