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BuzzFeed News ?@BuzzFeedNews 19m
This is Tahrir Square in Cairo, Egypt right now pic.twitter.com/HhR3X8nNxr
Hend ?@LibyaLiberty 18m
No, seriously. Staggering. RT @TheBigPharaoh Tahrir now. Staggering. Staggering. #June30 pic.twitter.com/8eIURk8ws6
Thomas Sorlie ?@Thomas_Sorlie 17m
@LibyaLiberty How do you feel about this Hend?
Hend @LibyaLiberty 16m
@Thomas_Sorlie I feel like a dandelion standing behind a blowing jet engine.
Democrats need to hire that Event Planner.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)UtahLib
(3,179 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Things have to get a LOT WORSE before the majority will get off their butts and get OUT and DO - especially for longer than 24 hours. Americans have very short attention spans, many of them.
premium
(3,731 posts)"Ok, we're going downtown to protest the inequality injustices of...........oh, look at that beautiful bird, what was I talking about?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)to lose.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And we're not even sure if they are for more Islamic laws restricting the rights of women and allowing more repession of everyone in the name of religion or against it.
I sincerely hope the latter!
If they are for equality and allowing people to live as they choose, they are among my heroes.
I don't believe circumstances there are at all as we have here, since the government is not dropping bombs on us.
Still, it's exciting to see them again, and hopefully for the same causes.
premium
(3,731 posts)and I agree 100%.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)M$M decided the use of it in Wisconsin was proof of unions and public workers being in favor of Sharia law. Sigh...
bigtree
(85,998 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Freedom of thought or religion or not having a religion, is the most precious things that there is, from which lead all the others.
If the military will continue to refuse to attack, the moderates and modern people will win. From the article it may get worse before it gets better.
I respect tremendously the brave women and the men who support them, fighting the awful laws zealots have passed, reducing women to things. Like a husband allowed to have sex for three days with the body of his dead wife, that they protested and was posted here on DU. Talk about the ultimate in lack of respect and sex without consent!
Appalling things being done in the name of religion. We are approaching that here with the American Taliban's attacks on women's bodies, education and all rights. We must have solidarity with the Egyptian people.
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . manifesting itself in the form of this assembly and the government's ultimatum for them to disband.
I'm not sure it should be expected to support or defend whatever politics or practice those Egyptians represent, just to recognize their democratic right to assemble and protest. That's going to be Americans' initial challenge - especially if there are violent clashes intending to deny those basic rights.
Thereafter, of course, it will be our challenge to pressure and put a focus on our demands for respect for human rights, overall, in Egypt.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That, as much as anything, captured the mood of Sundays wave of national protests against President Mohamed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood organization. After a year under Morsi, preceded by a generally unhappy 15 months of postrevolutionary military rule, the protesters angry about a weak economy, deteriorating security and rising Islamism want a reset.
http://world.time.com/2013/06/30/cairo-protestors-demand-new-egyptian-revolution/?iid=gs-main-lead
The report is very vague about what people want. They sure are angry. I don't feel that we really can find out what this about, which makes me wonder whether we are being told the whole truth.
But, anyway, if it is about what your post claims, then it is a good thing. Oppressive religious extremism is a terrible thing. It hinders progress and the very thing we need most which is love and respect in our society.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What are the problems with Morsi? He was elected not all that long ago. I haven't followed this.
But Morsi was defiant in the face of such dissent. "If we changed someone in office who [was elected] according to constitutional legitimacy well, there will be people opposing the new president too, and a week or a month later they will ask him to step down," Morsi told the Guardian in an exclusive interview.While Morsi was elected in free elections, his opponents believe he has failed to uphold the democratic values on which a well-rounded democracy depends. In particular, he has been criticised for using a presidential decree to force through an Islamist-slanted constitution, viewed by many as the act of a dictator.
Among many other complaints, Morsi has been accused of presiding over the oppression of activists and journalists, and a marked drop in living standards.
Once a consensus candidate for Islamist and secular voters, critics say he has alienated secular politicians and failed to achieve the unity he was elected to build. Morsi blames the opposition for failing to meet him halfway.
"Morsi got elected in a democratic way," said one government critic, businessman Hassan Shanab. "But since he took over, everything's been polarised. All of a sudden, we see ourselves part of an Islamic regime like Iran. Morsi's answerable to the Brotherhood, but they are not answerable to us." As Shanab spoke, a crowd of protesters nearby started pelting a giant poster of Morsi with stones.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/mohamed-morsi-egypt-protests
Sounds like civil war is about to start. Which side is the military on? Is it also split? This needs more research.
I don't know what to think. Please post more on this.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)The report would be accompanied by limited, very close-up footage (so as not to show the giant crowds) of the scariest looking anarchist guy in the protest who was picked to make Joe Sixpack role his eyes about the evil anti-American hippies.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)trying to force theocracy on what was a fairly advanced country...
Fundamentalism goes up, intelligence goes down-
Intelligence goes down, society goes down-
sibelian
(7,804 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . apparently, the promises of democratic reform haven't been met to the satisfaction of the Egyptian people. They've caught on, now. They've got their hands on the lever.
The Daily Beast ?@thedailybeast 20m
Fireworks light the sky as Egyptian demonstrators gather outside the presidential palace (Khaled Desouki/AFP) pic.twitter.com/nAhRLnaRWO
kentuck
(111,103 posts)right now.
PDJane
(10,103 posts)Not because they are complacent or comfortable, but because they are afraid? The nascent police state has been flexing its muscles lately, and I suspect that the treatment of protesters is part of the reason.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)Gone are the movements of the sixties and seventies; slowly our voices were silenced. Obvious to you and me well before awareness of how the Patriot Act was the snowball causing an avalanche.
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reusrename
(1,716 posts)That's what all this NSA stuff is really about.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=67297
MADem
(135,425 posts)They won't march....a few, they'll CAMP, but they won't march.
People would rather sit in front of their screens all day; real interaction with actual humans is a thing of the past for a freakishly large portion of our population.
PDJane
(10,103 posts)to protest abortion?
Cha
(297,314 posts)Wow! Mahalo, bigtree