Why couldn't both Zimmerman AND Martin have been on top in the fight?

[panader0]

I have been in a few tussles and positions can change in a second. This point in the trial seems to have such importance, so I can't understand why no one brings this up.

[dkf]

1. Yet someone was screaming for help. If you are on the top can't you retreat?

[Little Star]

2. Not if someone shoots you in the chest before you get a chance to retreat.

[dkf]

5. Someone was screaming long enough for a person to retreat.

[Duer 157099]

3. If you're on top trying to hold down the person below you

because you notice they have a gun in a holster on their side, you might still scream for help and be reluctant to retreat. Don't you think?

[arely staircase]

6. and then that person, who trains in mma, which includes lots of fighting from your back on the

ground techniques, slips an arm free, gets his gun and shoots you... you are dead.

[dkf]

9. So the person on top subduing the other is screaming for help, and the guy on the bottom

Who has been beat up is silent?

Well you can try selling that one to a jury.

[Duer 157099]

16. Frankly I think it was GZ screaming

but I also believe TM was mostly trying to hold him down because he saw he was armed.

GZ *only* began screaming for help AFTER witness John Good came outside and asked them what was happening.

[dkf]

18. That theory doesn't help prosecute Zimmerman at all.

[Duer 157099]

19. I think it does

And I think the 6 women jurors are smart enough to make the right decision.

First, if that account is accurate then it totally impeaches Zimmerman (again) because he claimed that he was crying for help and nobody came. John Good testified on Friday that he stepped outside, yelled loudly to them "What's going on!" and to "Cut it out!" and then (and only then) did he start to hear calls for help. THEN he told them he was calling 911. So, Zimmerman lied that nobody came to help, he KNEW without any doubt that police were on their way (both from his own prior phone call and now this witness who says he's calling) and he STILL shoots an unarmed kid.

I firmly believe the jurors are smart enough to understand this.

[John2]

7. Yeah, I just listen

to this FBI expert testimony, and I find it striking the prosecution didn't ask certain questions to him.

Given, that a person can not testify against themselves, I find it striking the prosecution didn't ask this expert if they asked George Zimmerman to reproduce the same scream he gave that night in different conditions and compare it to that scream. Why wouldn't that be incrimination or exculpatory evidence? Why the prosecution wouldn't use that line of inquiry? You can't ask Trayvon to reproduce it but Zimmerman is still alive. That line of questioning was never asked by the prosecution. And I agree, the prosecution does not impress me right now. I was even displease with their conduct with Jenteal and Good. They seem very passive in proving their case to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. No

When i was about sixteen I got in a fight with this miscreant who is now in prison.

I was on top and foolishly got off because I didn't have the heart to mount and pound someone.

I then lost the "privileged" position and ended up with a black eye and a swollen jaw.

[dkf]

11. And were you screaming for help?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. No.Because there were people around

A friend of mine eventually pulled him off.

[dkf]

15. So were you supposed to stay in top and keep on punching him?

Doesn't that argument actually bolster Zimmerman's case that he was in danger of further and greater bodily harm?

[Incitatus]

13. Not if someone pulls a gun on you and there is a struggle over the gun . nt

[Little Star]

4. I'm not impressed with the prosecution at all so far.

[Myrina]

8. Starting to wonder if the prosecution is really even trying ...

or if this is just a 'show trial' ....

[firenewt]

14. It is a 'show trial' plain and simple.

When Zimmerman is declared 'not guilty' the shit will really hit the fan.

[LittleBlue]

17. There may not be much to show at trial

Watching this trial, they have so little compared to what you'd normally see at a murder trial.