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Turns out it was a white woman who filed against Paula Deen and her brother... (Original Post) Faux pas Jul 2013 OP
Yeah JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #1
Missed that one. Faux pas Jul 2013 #7
Here's the full complaint document JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #15
Will check it out, thanks! Faux pas Jul 2013 #23
She has her own perspective and has trouble seeing why that is a problem for others KurtNYC Jul 2013 #2
butter brain. Whisp Jul 2013 #4
She makes it sound as if Faux pas Jul 2013 #5
They kinda did. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #9
Aha, guess you can take the girl off the plantation Faux pas Jul 2013 #11
She seemed genuinely distressed to -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #14
I don't understand how anyone could Faux pas Jul 2013 #21
You do realize, don't you that she is a Democrat and supported Barack Obama in both elections? Red State Rebel Jul 2013 #18
Nope, didn't know that. Faux pas Jul 2013 #22
Lisa Jackson also said in her testimony that StrayKat Jul 2013 #3
Interesting thanks! Faux pas Jul 2013 #6
Deen is a classic representative of my own southern family members... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #8
Yikes! Glad you Faux pas Jul 2013 #12
What it did... OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #17
That ends up making it Faux pas Jul 2013 #20
Well, no longer will feel sorry for the sons nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #10
In my experience -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #13
Hell Hath JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #16
Awesome. :) Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #19

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
1. Yeah
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jul 2013

Another thread yesterday from I think ajc gave entire 33 page file and background on the case.

And note - Ms. Jackson started working there in 2005.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
15. Here's the full complaint document
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Jackson-v.-Deen-et-al.-Complaint.pdf

Page 15 - it gets really interesting.

When I read through them all - a lot of this stuff will be easy to prove if she can get other former employees to speak up.


It's black and white (pardon the pun) -did black employees have to enter through a separate entry AND use a bathroom at the back of the restaurant while white employees were not?

Did Deen's brother or did he not pass around porn at a staff meeting?

Etc. etc. and so on and so forth. BTW - I believe Ms. Jackson. And I hope she is successful.

Especially on the fair pay part that comes into play.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
5. She makes it sound as if
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

her family owned a plantation back in the day. I'm sure palin and bachmann will run to her defense. Barf.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
9. They kinda did.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jul 2013

Ancestors of hers owned slaves - a lot of them. Info came out on "Who Do You Think You Are?" a few years back.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
11. Aha, guess you can take the girl off the plantation
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jul 2013

but can't take the plantation out of the girl. Sadder than sad.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
14. She seemed genuinely distressed to --
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jul 2013

find out that bit of information about her family's history. I think OneGrassRoot's observation that certain bigots "truly don't realize that they have a sense of white entitlement and are racist" is spot on, and perfectly describes Paula Deen.

StrayKat

(570 posts)
3. Lisa Jackson also said in her testimony that
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jul 2013

her birth father was Siciliian and sometimes mistaken for African-American. It may have made her more attuned to the racial inequities. (p. 51 of L. J. depo)

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
8. Deen is a classic representative of my own southern family members...
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jul 2013

Both sides of my family (the PA family and Alabama family) have always been racist. REALLY racist.

The difference, in my experience, is that the northern family acknowledges they're racist. Hell, they're proud of it.

The southern family members take on that genteel tone, talking -- just as Deen did here -- about how black people were always part of their lives.

They truly don't realize that they have a sense of white entitlement and are racist.

As one overtly racist northern family member said to a closeted southern racist family member: "The difference between us is that you grew up in an environment where blacks know their place. And they're place was serving your family in some way, so you like to say you view them as family members but, if you were honest, you don't view them as equals."

That's pretty fucking profound. Horrific, obscene, appalling...but profound in the sense of getting a glimpse into a racist mindset.





 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
13. In my experience --
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jul 2013

with a certain type of bigot -- especially in Texas and in rural CA where I have the most experience with them -- is that they will feel more comfortable in saying certain things in front of other "white people" than they would directly to a minority or in front of mixed company. People would see my "white" face and feel freer to tell me racist jokes, observations, trash talk.

Ms. Deen reminds me of that kind of bigot -- she knows better and wouldn't be caught dead calling a person a "nigger" to their face, but, in company she felt comfortable with, she would let her head down a bit and out would come the Old South.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
16. Hell Hath
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

My mom was an Exec VP of a hotel management company from the late 1980's until early 2000's when she left for a re-branding opportunity.

She opened hotels some boutique - some nation brands up and down the Eastern Seaboard.

Two business budget hotels in Albany, GA.

Had to fire a manager on the spot back in 1998 for popping of N's in regards to the maintenance and housekeeping staff.

The woman didn't realize the white Exec Female VP with the 'western' accent had been married to a black man for 30 years and had two black grown children she had birthed.

And people wonder why I think this country is ugly.


I think you are right. I think there are certain people that will say things ONLY when they think they are in the company of those 'just like them'.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
19. Awesome. :)
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jul 2013

I live in SF so it is easy to forget that type of what I call "casual racism" is out there. I am in a bubble and happy to be so. When I get out and it happens -- man, it is always like someone threw a bucket of water on your face. Your Mom experienced that first hand. My Mom was on the receiving end when she was a kid in the South -- she has dark features and tans to the degree that she was taken for "colored" back in the day -- someone was always trying to kick her and her Mom out of restaurants/hotels because they didn't accept "that kind".

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