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http://www.alternet.org/hard-times-usa/more-evidence-americas-middle-class-sliding-toward-third-worldA recent article by Les Leopold informed us that our nation is near the bottom of the developed world in median wealth, probably the best gauge for the economic strength of the middle class. The source of the information, the Global Wealth Databook, provides additional evidence of our decline from our once-lofty position as an egalitarian country with opportunities for nearly everyone.
The data is summarized below. Column 4 reveals that the U.S. is near the top of the developed world in average wealth, in good part because of its many millionaires (Col 8). Median wealth per adult, in Column 5, is much lower. As a sign of the distance between America's middle class and its national wealth, Column 6 shows that the ratio of median to mean in the U.S. is lower than in any country except Russia.
The impact of all this is shown in Column 7. Median-level adults in the U.S. get a smaller percentage of their nation's wealth than in any other country except China and India.
To view Column 7 in another way, a middle-class adult in Finland owns $122 for every billion dollars of his or her nation's wealth. In Canada it's $13. In the U.S. it's 60 cents. Only China (40 cents) and India (30 cents) give their middle-class adults less.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)We're already the most inequitable major state. How long can this get worse before the worst -- civil war and collapse -- finally happens?
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Russia is worse, based on those figures. But "slightly less unequal than Russia" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)As soon as we know what it contains, we'll realize what a great gift is being bestowed on the middle class.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)And if it doesn't we'll renegotiate. Just like we renegotiated NAFTA.....o wait....never mind.
East Coast Pirate
(775 posts)Stop doubting our leader.
tblue
(16,350 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)the US would even think about. (The republican base wants out of the UN, the WTO, the IMF - anything that impinges on our blessed national sovereignty.)
Trade is a much larger percentage of the economies of all countries with more equitable distributions of wealth. Obviously trade is not the cause of inequitable wealth distributions.
What Finland does have is a tax system that is more progressive than ours, a safety net that is much stronger and a culture and legal system that protect and promote labor unions. So do Canada, Sweden, Germany, Australia, Japan and most of the other countries on this list. We have none of that.
No 'right-to-work' states or provinces in any of these other countries.
But forgive me. I digress from your point that trade and international agreements (and foreigners?) are the cause of our problems. Anyone who blames Americans who vote for tax cuts for the rich, slash the safety net or weaken unions, is not being sufficiently suspicious of the role that foreigners play in our problems.
The fact that Finland, Germany (take any other country off the list above) trades with 'foreigners' much, much more than we do and yet has a stronger middle class and a much more equitable distribution of wealth, means nothing to us, I suppose. Perhaps because the US is exceptional and what works in other countries does not apply to us.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)
"free" trade agreements per se.
The EU is a "free" trade scheme among countries that have similar labor costs, similar regulations (and enforcement), etc. That's fine. It's an even playing field, although it's getting less even.
Creating "free" trade agreements with countries that have far lower labor costs, deficient regulations to protect labor and the environment, corrupt enforcement, etc, is nothing more than a way to move jobs to the lower-cost country. The 99% in the higher-cost country lose jobs and generally get brutalized, while the 1%'s hand diverts some of the cash that switches countries into their own pockets. This is what our country's rulers have done to us.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Short and to the point. And easily understandable by those who have open minds.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Apparently those "socialist" Europeans do not have an overwhelming fear of 'free trade' with poor neighboring countries. (I partially take that back. Some Europeans do. Most right wing parties in Europe are very much "Eurosceptics" and want to get rid of the EU and its continental free trade and open immigration.) Perhaps these "socialists" have not figured out that trade with poor foreigners is a recipe for disaster. Dumb, idealistic socialists, I suppose.
Germans have some of the highest manufacturing wages in the world and compete quite well with their poorer European neighbors and with the rest of the world, for that matter.
And the mere mention of setting up something like the EU regime of "similar regulations (and enforcement)" on our continent sends fearful chills of the mythical, but dreaded, "North American Union" down the backs of the republican base. (The Texas 2012 GOP platform actually wasted the ink to proclaim the party's opposition to the NAU.)
The odd thing about the countries negotiating the TPP is that we already have 'free trade' agreements with most of the them, particularly the biggest ones. This is what worries the Chinese that it is not really about 'free trade' (which they do not haven problem with) but the inclusion of environmental and labor standards which they do feel hurts the competitive advantage they have today.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)
the goal. To put amerikkkan workers livelihoods on par with third world wages. Keep em hungry, they can be controlled. is the bankers and most politicians creed. Wake up, sheeple!
Lasher
(27,597 posts)But I don't think it's a good idea to keep doing the same kind of things we've been doing for the past 30 years.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)We are exceptional alright.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Thank you Bush I for proposing NAFTA. Thank you Bill Clinton for getting Senate Democrats (or enough of them to support it) and signing NAFTA. Thank you Bush II for continuing the let's-send-jobs-to-foreign-countries policy, and for financing Middle-East wars on credit. And thank you Obama for signing three "free-trade" agreements and negotiating the pending TPP, the NAFTA of the Pacific on steroids.
A special thanks, too, to all the enablers, including posters who supported Bill Clinton ("Look, the DOW is so high" and Obama ("Would you rather have McCain?" "Or Rmoney?" "You just have to be more patient with the chess-master."
xchrom
(108,903 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)My father was a union drywaller who provided a great middle class income for our family. Then, in the 80's, illegal immigrants began to flood his profession. By the mid 90's all unions had been busted, wages were a fraction of what they once were and many of our family friends were literally homeless.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)oppose illegal immigration.
The ones who favor illegal immigration, particularly along racial lines, are helping to push wages lower and helping the super-rich destroy this country.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)That was a revealing post.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)The "illegal immigration" was ENCOURAGED and INITIATED by the same people who excoriate "illegal immigrants." The floodgates opened because 1) owners could get away with paying UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS less and offer them NO benefits or job security; 2) they could violate OSHA standards all day long and they know the UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS would not complain for fear of being sent back to their native country; 3) to flood the market with more workers than jobs which made it an employer's market rather than an employee's market thereby LOWERING the standard of living for everyone.
I can't believe anyone on this board would be so uneducated, so unenlightened to suggest that the "blame" for our economy is "illegal immigrants" and not the Robber Barons who hold the purse strings AND own our government.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)of exploiting illegal aliens to lower the wages of LEGAL aliens and American workers.
Got it.
You undoubtedly know who Cesar Chavez was? Did you know that he opposed illegal aliens? He, with Dolores Huerta, co-founded the National Farm Workers Association. If he could oppose illegal aliens, why can't other Americans?
Your welcome to your view. It's wrong, but you're welcome to it.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is one non-sequitur after another so I'm not going to attempt to sort it all out. But I have do have to address this one:
"You undoubtedly know who Cesar Chavez was? Did you know that he opposed illegal aliens? He, with Dolores Huerta, co-founded the National Farm Workers Association. If he could oppose illegal aliens, why can't other Americans?"
In that I reside in Fresno, CA, yeah,, I've heard the name. He was against exploitation of the UNDOCUMENTED workforce. You posit that UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS are responsible for our lousy economy without ever acknowledging the culpability of those who write the checks and make the laws. Same objection. Different reasons.
And your use of such an outmoded term as "illegal immigrants" doesn't exactly show a measure of enlightenment. These are people who are trying to provide for themselves and their families. Reducing them down to a some outmoded term is not something in which I would think we would want to be engaged on DU.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I'm done here.
byeya
(2,842 posts)wages and provided their employers with efficient labor.
That wasn't good enough for the large meat companies. Many simply closed up their factory, transferred the equipment to a new facility, and hired undocumented people at 20% of the union wage. Since many of these meat packing plants were located in rural areas, there was little solidarity with the workers who lost good jobs.
The choke point is not the Border Patrol or the big wasteful wall but at the workplace with the onus on the employer to prove the company is hiring people who have a right to be in the USA.
It's not the immigrants fault, they need to work since NAFTA, et al, and their governments have created conditions where the migrants have had to leave their small farms(for the most part).
I agree with the poster who said that the same people who are bewailing illegal immigration are the ones profiting from it.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Nice try to move the goal posts though.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Oy!
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I don't disagree with your post. I am saying "illegal immigration" encompasses everything you said. I think you want to invent things in your head to get mad about just so you can post comments like that.
markiv
(1,489 posts)exact same thing
immigration used to totally bust labor
tech got hit the hardest, but it had a secondary effect on all other workers
because before the h-1b hammer, anyone dissatisfied enough with their jobs could retrain for tech, which would have a rising effect on wages in other jobs
but once tech was shut off as gainfull secure employement, there was one less place to go, and many workers pushed out of tech now have to compete for other jobs, which LOWERS those wages
wages are always set at the margin, ECON 101, more workers, lower pay, fewer workers higher pay. it really doesnt take a huge change in percent of labor supply to substantially change the wage up or down. this is the huge nearly completely censored issue in the media and in both parties, immigration used as labor busting
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)is not a true Democrat.
The goal is to destroy labor.
markiv
(1,489 posts)you said anything against the status quo in the early 1950s, you risked being called a 'communist', and you reputation was vaporized before you could defend yourself. It became known as 'McCarthyism'. McCarthy didnt invent the tactics of character assasination, it had existed for thousand of years. He only created it's (temporary) pinacle
yes, really being a communist then, or a racist now is and was bad. but that's what a fraction of the accusations are really about. the bulk are just raw intimidation and character assasination
Edward R Murrow made his reputation standing up to it, calling it out for what it was, and putting an end to it (and Senator Joe McCarthy)
But it exists today, in another form. Dont like free trade, mass immigration to bust labor, or NSA spying? well, maybe you're a RACIST or XENOPHOBE!
Only difference today, is a lack of an Edward R Murrow. Journalism died with him, his network CBS remains as a monument to cowardice and corporate subservience, along with the rest of most of the media
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)no one seems to complain about that preexisting 'free trade' agreement.
I am sure it does not matter but just for the record, for everything other than oil (which my guess is we would still import if there had never been a NAFTA, perhaps with a tariff on it to make it more expensive) we have a trade surplus with Mexico. One could assume that we would have an even bigger non-oil trade surplus with Mexico without NAFTA.
Or one could assume that, although foreign trade is already a smaller part of our economy than any other country this side of North Korea, we could trade even less with those pesky foreigners than we do now.
We could imitate those 1920's republicans who seemed to go by the motto "When doubt, blame foreigners. Raise tariffs and restrict immigration. (They did the former twice and latter three times from 1921 to 1933.) It won't help, but it is effective at taking the heat off of rich, American republicans."
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)how sick is it that O looks up to Reagan???
Of course, he's not alone....
markiv
(1,489 posts)WTO, NAFTA, H-1b visas MFN-China
BOTH parties support all of this crap
and this crap is what put us exactly where we are
it didnt have to happen
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)it really doesn't get discussed enough here...
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Turbineguy
(37,342 posts)we can own more guns. So we have more freedom.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)The gun issue being one.
Turbineguy
(37,342 posts)(smilie of some sort)
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)markiv
(1,489 posts)a torpedo right into the middle class
this is happening, right now
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)Notice that the countries that do worst are India, China, USA, Indonesia and Brazil - the biggest countries. The best are New Zealand, Finland, Ireland, Singapore and Denmark - some of the smallest. That's because col 7 is produced by dividing col 5 (wealth per person) by col 3 (total wealth of the whole country). A high population country will have a low figure.
Column 6, which shows the ratio of the per person median and mean, is meaningful. And Col 9, which is worked out from the distribution of wealth, is meaningful. Column 7 is a red herring, unless you're interested in "what proportion of wealth the typical person has of the entire country - what is the size of 'fish' compared to the 'pond'?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)It used to be that some people made fun of "toothless hillbillies." Now I see a lot of so-called "middle class' people with gaping holes in their mouths.
We as a country have allowed corporations to take over. Along with that comes healthcare for profit. No other civilized country puts up with that.
American smiles used to be one measure of our prosperity. Now they are a measure of our sad decline.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Oh well. There's some good news: Soon, those who survive, will enjoy the return of Feudalism.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)It's the fact that a significant percentage of the American people don't vote for their economic interests like a higher minimum wage or greater union power or better safety net provisions.
No, these people base their vote on gun rights, religion, anti-choice, and the old favorite, race.
There are racists, sexist, homophobes, etc. in Europe as well, but those folks vote their economic interests first and foremost.
indepat
(20,899 posts)years more of highly regressive right-wing tax schemes which promote exploding income inequality.