One day there's going be another Republican administration. They will have access to PRISM.

[sibelian]

Bearing in mind that you voted for Obama on the back of getting rid of the kind of dirty, slithering, clandestine soul-fuckery that Bush and his nest of scorpions put in place... how do you feel about that?

[Autumn]

1. Probably in 2016. There's not a politician alive, republican or

otherwise I would trust with this.

[Coyotl]

34. Probably have had acccess all along, without interruption

Who do you suppose works in this top secret Bush program, a bunch of liberal progressives hired by Alberto Gonzales?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

2. Should we really assume the repub honchos don't have at least backdoor access now?

[sibelian]

14. We don't know, do we?

It's certainly not inconceivable that there are individuals curerntly employed by the security apparatus who are quite keen on the Republican party. We could speculate...

[pnwmom]

3. They DID. They had warrantless wiretapping, too. The FISA courts have been in effect

since the 70's. Obama and other Dems have repeatedly scaled back what the Republicans have done when they're in charge.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110210510#post24

[Number23]

15. Oh my God. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this ignorance in this OP

"One day there's going to be a Republican administration and they'll have access to Prism."

Sweet Lord in Heaven...

[pnwmom]

18. And just think what might happen if they get access to computers, too!

[treestar]

21. Heck, Republicans will come up with some idiot

like McCain or Mittens who won't know how to use Prism.

[woo me with science]

27. What utter bullshit. "Scaled back," my ass.

They are sweeping up everything.

They have no right to collect this information in the first place. Faux "protections" for ACCESSING it after the fact are the manipulative arguments of con men. It is like saying we can put a camera in every house as long as we promise not to turn it on.

Spare us the propaganda.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Don't entertain this garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981567

[graham4anything]

4. Without protesters and fracture, a democratic president would have been in office now for 84 years

why would one assume the above? I sure don't.

Hillary45 2016
Michelle46 2024
Cory Booker37 2032
etc. etc. etc.

[hughee99]

6. Come on, by 2032, Chelsea can run and then Obama's children

in 2040 and 2048... which is good because the skills necessary to run this country are passed on through the genes, not learned.

[sibelian]

13. Cool story, bro. nt

[L0oniX]

24. Hey ...I'm selling brown shirts. Want one? Protesting is a right.

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.- Abbie Hoffman

[hughee99]

5. On the bright side, at least when that happens, everyone here will agree it's wrong. n/t

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

7. I thought it was the end of the reThuglican Party. And Mz Baked Alaska was forming a party

of her own...

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. KeystoneXL activists and Texas SB5 protesters called Terrorists...what will happen

to any and all dissent when these sick powers are further in place? Anyone who disagrees with those in power is a "terrorist" and will be treated accordingly. Note that I mean Obama's NDAA section 1021, indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation. YOU, you're a terrorist, off you go.

FUCK.

"We had terrorist in the Texas State Senate opposing SB 5" ~Bill Zedler, (R) Texas
http://twitpic.com/cz83k7/full

TransCanada Caught Training Police to Treat Nonviolent Keystone XL Protesters as Terrorists
http://ecowatch.com/2013/transcanada-caught-training-police-nonviolent-keystone-xl-protesters-terrorists/


The tools of police state repression are in place right now. Corporations and politicians are obviously champing at the bit to use them on US citizens. How long until they do?

[sibelian]

26. "indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation."

Well, yeah.

Scary, huh?

Tools have a tendency to attract purposes for which they were not originally intended. "Security" will be replaced with "Stability" over the next few years, I'm sure.

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. Yep. We know these tools have been put in place by evil people such as Bush/Cheney

but even "good" people or neutral people would be tempted to use them.

What nation, having granted itself such powers, has not then slipped or marched straight into being a police state or worse?

[leftstreet]

9. The spineless craven Democrats could have had majorities for decades

But they went DLC instead


At least a GOP Admin will turn DU into a hand-holding kumbaya fest

[Skittles]

11. actually, a Dem president who isn't Obama would accomplish the same

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. Only racists would oppose it. I think. I dunno, I'm not sure anymore.

[sibelian]

12. lol!

[rhett o rick]

16. You are implying that "Republicans" dont have access now. Why make that assumption?

Need I remind you that the programs are the same, the operators are the same, the leaders are the same that worked for Bush.

We are at a great disadvantage as long as people keep thinking that this war is between Dem's and Repukes. It's not. Clapper is a lying Republican. Why did Pres Obama appoint him with the blessing of the REpublican Party? Because he had no choice. The intelligence state is bigger than the president. The war is between the 1% elite oligarchs and us peons. The oligarchs have access to the spy program.

When Obama became president, I bet he was told that our intelligence communities had a great program and if he dared mess with it and we experienced a terrorist strike, he would be holding the bag. He was given no choice but to continue the Bush spy programs with Bush's guys running them.

With respect to the intelligence community and Wall Street, the president is merely a figurehead.

edit for spelling

[woo me with science]

17. [phone]

for this part:

Need I remind you that the programs are the same, the operators are the same, the leaders are the same that worked for Bush.
...
We are at a great disadvantage as long as people keep thinking that this war is between Dem's and Repukes. It's not.
...
The war is between the 1% elite oligarchs and use peons. The oligarchs have access to the spy program.

[rhett o rick]

22. Yikes I typed "use" in lieu of "us". My fingers are faster than my brain, which isnt saying much. nm

[sibelian]

23. You say very little...

... that I can refute.

[rhett o rick]

25. I appreciated the post.

[treestar]

19. that's the tack you should have taken from the beginning

Now I'm concerned. Republicans won't care about the legal restrictions the way Obama does.

Even so, what was Bush able to do with his warrantless wiretaps?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Oh, that's OK, Prism is harmless and only gathers innocuous info for our own good.

Besides, the nice people and the NSA and the humanitarians at CIA and well known defenders of our privacy.

[moondust]

28. Definitely a concern.

As the "business party," Republicans are especially notorious for the kind of cronyism that goes on behind closed doors in the private sector. I can imagine a scenario in which they appoint the head of the NSA, who in turn hires people into key management positions, who together gather intelligence on their political enemies. Nixon on steroids.

[sibelian]

30. I think it's also likely that the tool will attract secondary purposes.

[moondust]

32. Already there.

Lawyers eye NSA data as treasure trove for evidence in murder, divorce cases

[sibelian]

35. ...

[DCBob]

29. Once the Rethugs get back in power they wont care what legal restrictions are in place.

Their response when questioned about breaking the law and infringing on our personal rights.. "So."

[jeff47]

33. PRISM was revealed in 2006. But thanks for finally paying attention. (nt)

[sibelian]

36. Yes, I was aware of that.

Thanks.