Why didn't George Zimmerman try starting a conversation with Trayvon Martin instead of killing him?

[JaneyVee]

Why not just announce "I'm the neighborhood watch, is everything OK?" even if Trayvon couldn't be seen, or even when he did visibly see Trayvon, perhaps when he was driving and pulled up next to him. He could have kept announcing it allowing Trayvon to earn his trust, not be afraid, and explain who he was and where he was going.

It seems like a million different scenarios could have prevented what happened, unless of course Zimmerman WAS looking for a confrontation. Even law enforcement announce themselves.

It sure seems like George Zimmerman desperately wanted a confrontation, while Trayvon Martin desperately DIDN'T, hence Trayvon eventually running AWAY from creepy stalker.

It's just sickening that so many different scenarios could have played out without confrontation yet Trayvon ends up dead (RIP).

There's a certain gun mentality.

[grasswire]

1. because he was previously prejudiced against "thugs"

Perhaps it is the law enforcement training he began, perhaps he associates with racists. Maybe he was just raised that way. Clearly, he profiled Trayvon and acted accordingly.

[Coyotl]

64. Or, more simply put, because he was a N*****

[Recursion]

2. Do you know he didn't, or wasn't trying to? (nt)

[JaneyVee]

3. I'm sure he would have mentioned that already to his lawyers. That would be huge.

[Hugabear]

4. Because he wanted to make sure he didn't get away

This is evidenced from his prior 911 calls.

Shooting Trayvon made sure that he wouldn't get away

[Vattel]

5. It sure seems like you are assuming the worst about Zimmerman.

What evidence is there that Zimmerman desperately wanted a confrontation, or that Martin desperately wanted to avoid one? The evidence suggests that Martin approached Zimmerman when he was in his car. The evidence suggests that Martin had plenty of time to get home and enter his house while Zimmerman was on the phone with police. No eye witness contradicts Zimmerman's claim that Martin confronted him and not vice-versa.

[HipChick]

6. So why didn't Zimmerman stay in his car when he was requested to do so by Police?

because he was looking for trouble..he was looking for a fight...

[GreenStormCloud]

40. The police did NOT tell him to stay in his car. N/T

[CTyankee]

86. But why didn't he engage Martin in a conversation if he was so concerned about something?

[GreenStormCloud]

87. That requires speculation. N/T

[CTyankee]

88. how mysterious that is! Do you think it is ominous?

[GreenStormCloud]

89. Lots of possible explanations, both pro & anti Z.

Therefore, I decline to speculate.

[CTyankee]

91. Sounds like that Magic 8 Ball thingie...

[GreenStormCloud]

92. We had one of those when I was a kid, back in the 1950s.

[CTyankee]

93. If only it could solve all our problems, right?

[HangOnKids]

8. Should Posters Assume The Best About Him?

Because I have yet to see any examples of the best Of Zimmy. Maybe you have some stories of him rescuing cats or feeding the homeless?

[Cirque du So-What]

17. Why would we assume the worst?

Just because he is a fucking asshole who beats the woman he supposedly loves?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-domestic-violence-20120321_1_petitions-documents-injunctions

Or who can't control his little temper to the extent that he tries to fight with cops?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer

That's a real charmer to whom you've chosen to give the benefit of the doubt.

Before any further attempt at rehabilitating poor, misunderstood Zimmy, I want to point out that although he self-identifies as 'Hispanic,' if it weren't for Judge Daddy, he'd still be cooling his heels in the Graybar Hotel instead of getting off, which may have led to delusions of 'untouchability' around Sanford, FL. Perhaps if he'd taken his punishment like a man at least once in his life, we wouldn't be pleasantly conversing on a Saturday afternoon about how fucking virtuous or villainous is the man who ended the life of Trayvon Martin.

[Anansi1171]

21. THIS! But character cannot precede action to the so-called colorblind defenders of GZ! -NT

[Travis_0004]

52. And Trayvon might have been suspended for assulting a bus driver.

It seems like neither people in the dispute were saints.

[csziggy]

58. Got a link for that claim?

I haven't seen that claim made in any reputable news source, just right wing blogs.

So, give me a link for that claim, please. For an example of how it's done, check out the message above that provided links for each claim about Zimmerman.

[Travis_0004]

62. yes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

[csziggy]

65. That erroneous report tracks back to a Wagist.com blogger

And a Facebook account that has proven to not belong to the dead Trayvon Martin.
"The kicker? The photo on the right was of a different Trayvon Martin. One that was still alive and in no way related to the deceased.
"You might be asking, “Well, how could she have known?” She and her “Team” should have known because the photo in question came from a Facebook profile belonging to a living breathing, middle-finger-flipping Trayvon Martin who lists his school as Myers Middle School not Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School. Additionally, all of his relatives are listed as living in Savannah, Georgia. The late Martin grew up in Miami Gardens."
- See more at: http://restoringtruthiness.org/13700/malkin-bias-twitchy-com-posts-fake-photo-of-trayvon-martin-using-new-teamdueprocess-no-joke#sthash.SdCjbImx.dpuf

Original Wagist collumn: http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer

Discussion of smear campaign against Trayvon Martin: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/
"5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family."

The bus driver comment that was taken up by the media came from the same sources as the pictures which have been proven to NOT be the dead Trayvon Martin.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/MARTIN-PHOTO.htm#.UdBPSNimVGE

[Stardust]

78. ^^^Rec^^^

[Dawgs]

24. But why would Martin attack Zimmerman?

If Zimmerman was doing NOTHING WRONG then why would Martin attack him? Just for the fun of it?

Seems like quite an assumption that Martin would just attack Zimmerman for no reason.

[Vattel]

44. I'm sure you are smart enough to answer your own question.

[Dawgs]

47. Your response makes no sense. n/t

[arcane1]

28. "The evidence suggests that Martin approached Zimmerman when he was in his car."????

WTF? If that bullshit was true, how on Earth would they end up on the ground, away from the car???

Did Mean old Martin force the car door open, drag Zimmerman out of it, and dragged him down the sidewalk?

"Evidence" my ass.

[Little Star]

35. +1

[Vattel]

66. Zimmerman during his call said that Martin was coming to check him out.

[arcane1]

68. He also got out of his truck and started following Martin

That is not in dispute.

[Vattel]

69. maybe, but he does say that he was headed back to his car when Martin confronted him.

[arcane1]

75. You can't say he "maybe" got out of his car and then say "he was headed back to his car"

Logic Fail!

Fact Fail!

[CatWoman]

79. word

Father

[arcane1]

81. Blessed art thou

[Raine]

34. What "evidence suggests that Martin approached Zimmerman

when he was still in his car"? Please link to it ... I'm sure Zimmerman himself said he was FOLLOWING Martin.

[GreenStormCloud]

41. It is in the first call Z made to the police.

TM approached Z while Z was in his truck. Then TM stopped approaching and ran away. Then Z got out of his truck and began to follow TM.

[csziggy]

57. Trayvon walked BY Zimmerman's truck

Here is a map of the subdivision:


Trayvon cut through between two of the town houses at the NW corner (upper right) George was driving down that road (George lived at the SW corner) and saw Trayvon cutting through. George drove on up to the clubhouse across from the north gate into the sibdivision. He sat there, talking to the Sanford PD operator as Trayvon continued up the road, passed him, then took shelter under the roof over the mailboxes next to the clubhouse. From where Trayvon would have emerged onto the road at the cut through to the mailboxes is roughly 400 feet and at a normal walking pace would have taken 90 seconds to travel. At 1 minute and 16 seconds into George's call, George says "he's coming to check me out."

Trayvon was just walking past George who was sitting in his truck all that time. Then he took shelter from the rain and watched George continue to sit there, telling Rachel Jeantel about the creepy ass cracker who was watching him. Then Trayvon started walking on down the road and George followed in his truck so Trayvon ran. He was still headed towards his father's fiance's townhouse and taking the most direct route home.

After the operator told him not to follow I don't think George was pursuing Trayvon on foot - I think he drove towards the back gate to cut off that escape route. I think he ended up frightening Trayvon away from his safe haven - Trayvon could have seen George's truck cat the end of the block,the end of the sidewalk Trayvon was walking down. I think Trayvon doubled back towards the T and I think George saw Trayvon turning back and drove back to intercept him.

Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon said he was almost home then that the creepy guy was back. I think he said that when he saw George's truck at the end of the block.

[GreenStormCloud]

85. I was going by the transcript of the first call:

0:48 Zimmerman: And now he’s just staring at me.

0:49 Dispatcher: OK. It’s just it’s 1 1 1 1 Retreat View? Or 111?

0:53 Zimmerman: That’s the, that’s the clubhouse (unintelligible)

0:55 Dispatcher: That’s the clubhouse.

0:56 Zimmerman: (unintelligible)

0:57 Dispatcher: Do you know what the…he’s near the clubhouse right now?

0:58 Zimmerman: Yeah. Now he’s comin towards me.

1:00 Dispatcher: OK.

1:01 (sound of windshield wipers, gear selector)

1:03 Zimmerman: He’s got his hand in his waistband.

1:05 (sound of a ding)

1:06 (sound of window rolling up?)

Zimmerman: And he’s a black male.

1:09 (sound of gear selector)

1:10 Dispatcher: OK. How old would you say he

1:11 Zimmerman: He’s got

1:12 Dispatcher: looks?

1:13 Zimmerman: a button on his shirt. Late teens.

1:14 Dispatcher: Late teens. OK.

1:16 Zimmerman: Um hum.

1:16 (sound of windshield wipers)

1:17 Zimmerman: Sumpin’s wrong with him.

1:19 (sound like a thump noise)

1:21 Zimmerman: Yup. He’s comin’ to check me out. He’s got sumpin in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is.

1:27 Dispatcher: OK, just let me know

1:28 Zimmerman: Please get an officer

[csziggy]

97. So was I - from the original released recording

My times are slightly off the ones on the transcript you're working from by about five seconds but it is still close.

Martin's path was the shortest route to get back to where he was staying. If he took a shortcut between townhouses to get off the main road, then walked to the mail boxes next to the club house he would have passed Zimmerman just as Zimmerman told the operator "He's coming to check me out." at 19:10:50. Martin told his friend that he was taking shelter - probably under the mailbox structure - then talked to her about the "creepy ass cracker" watching him. He told her he was going to run and their call dropped before 19:12. Zimmerman said "He's running" at 19:11:40.

If we assume that Zimmerman was telling the dispatcher the truth as things happened up to that point, the timing works.

From the point Zimmerman could have seen Martin taking a shortcut between the townhouses to the stop sign in front of the club house is about 350' and another 75 to the mailboxes at an average walking speed of 4.4 feet per second (3 mph) it would have taken Martin about 80 seconds to travel to where Zimmerman says he stopped to make the call - in front of the club house. At 1 minute and 16-21 seconds after the beginning of Zimmerman's call, "he'd coming to check me out."

Martin was not "approaching Zimmerman" except that he had to pass Zimmerman's vehicle along his direct route home.

Martin was not hurrying. He'd taken over a half hour to walk the mile to the 7-11. He was talking to his friend, as she said "Just goofing." He may have slowed down, concerned about the truck he saw pass him that was now sitting in front of the club house. By the time Martin took shelter from the rain for a bit, he was beginning to be really worried about the intentions of the guy in that truck, so he ran (~2:06 or ~40 seconds after he passed Zimmerman).

Maybe before Martin ran Zimmerman cruised around the corner to keep an eye on the "suspicious character" and that triggered Martin's fear. If Zimmerman had done that, he would have been cutting Martin off from he safe haven - the townhouse where he was staying.

The real point is that Martin really didn't have time according the timeline of Zimmerman's call to Sanford PD to go out of his way to check out Zimmerman. He pretty much moved at a normal walking pace in order to arrive at the point where Zimmerman describes in his call when Zimmerman says he does. That part of their interaction is pretty set by Zimmerman's statements to the dispatcher and the times that the dispatcher entered information on his log.

Martin didn't even hang around under the mailbox shelter for long - it would have taken maybe 15 seconds for him to walk from Zimmerman's truck to the shelter, leaving less than 30 seconds for him to be under the shelter.

This is all from Zimmerman's call, accepting his words as truth. It also jibes with Rachel Jeantel's statements of what Martin told her over the phone.

[GreenStormCloud]

98. I was only addressing why Z got out of the truck.

He got out of the truck to follow TM. He was a dumbshit to do that. He went against Neighborhood Watch protocol and against what is taught in CCW classes. I have a Texas Concealed Handgun License so I know what is taught in the classes. We are supposed to avoid confrontations if reasonably possible. Z was overdoing it when he got out of his truck to follow TM and thereby set the stage for a disaster.

[avebury]

37. I have not seen or heard any evidence that Zimmerman was in his

vehicle when the confrontation broke out between the two. Had Zimmerman announced that he was with Neighborhood Watch you had better belief that his legal team would have been screaming that to the rafters.

I think that the phone records for the numerous calls Zimmerman made to the police provide more then ample evidence that he had a tendency to profile the type of individuals that he deemed suspicious. Martin had every right to be there that night. Much has been made that Martin was weaving around. I got to admit, that if I were there that night and it started raining I would have been trying to find a shortcut to get to my destination. It would be absurd to think that anybody (without rain gear or an umbrella) would take the long way in the rain (and remember that Martin might not have been as familiar with the area as Zimmerman).

I totally believe that if the incident had not happened that night with Martin, it would have only been a matter of time before Zimmerman got into a confrontation with someone else in a similar type of circumstance. Zimmerman was an accident waiting to happen.

He is not someone that I would want to be a member of the Neighborhood Watch where I live.

[Hugabear]

51. 'Trayvon had plenty of time to get home' - wtf?

Is it a crime for a young black man to be walking around after dark?

[Vattel]

67. wooooosh!

[CatWoman]

80. is that the sounds that occurs

when facts fly straight over your head?

[Hugabear]

82. What difference would it make if Trayvon had been taking his time?

It's a free country, Trayvon could have been taking his time walking around the whole neighborhood and it shouldn't have made a difference.

[Voice for Peace]

76. no, Trayvon briefly walked toward the car then went the other direction,

while talking on the phone to his friend about
some weird guy in a car who is watching him.

meanwhile zimmerman is also on the phone,
telling them there is a black guy who is
acting weird and watching him.

I think this may be a classic example
of projection on Z's part.

[treestar]

7. That is what Zimmerman could have done

But he'd already made up his mind, talking about effing punks and so forth.

[hlthe2b]

9. Fear driven "Gun Mentality" INDEED

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I hate what is rapidly becoming the "norm" in this country--that we have no right to expect to walk down our street (or heaven forbid, knock on a stranger's door for help) without being shot to death.

Pretty soon, fear over being shot by the "bad" guys--criminals-- is going to be widely and understandably overtaken by fear of being shot by a "responsible" gun owner....

[KittyWampus]

15. you reminded me of the story of Yoshihiro Hattori getting shot for knocking on the wrong door.

[hlthe2b]

25. I was thinking about him when I wrote that...

sigh.... How barbaric the world must (rightfully) view us.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. I do not understand why the shooter got away with it.

I have a CCW, and by everything I have been taught, that was a bad shoot.

[KittyWampus]

43. The family was held liable in civil court

[shenmue]

26. Exactly

More guns!!!!1!1!1!11

(Maybe not the answer)

[Lithos]

10. You don't start conversations with punks

You have to show them who's boss... Teach them a lesson, drive the point home. Kick their butt.

(Yes, it's sarcasm on my part)

[Cirque du So-What]

13. We have evidence that Zimmerman had already decided

that Trayvon Martin was a 'punk' (or a n-word, depending upon how his 911 call is interpreted). Add to that the fact that he had a loaded weapon secreted upon his person, coupled with the assumption that he was a badass and filled with delusions of imaginary power and authority, it's hard for me to imagine that he approached Trayvon in a respectful manner.

[Lithos]

16. Agreed

Sorry if I misfired my sarcasm

I totally agree that Zimmerman had already had assumed Trayvon guilty of walking while black/young and that someone it was up to Zimmerman to make things right, and right then. Zimmerman had an over-inflated sense of self as cop/enforcer - well documented as it was the reason he failed his admission to police academy; I was just taking things over the top.

L0-

[Cirque du So-What]

19. I caught, and appreciated, your sarcasm

There are a lot of things about this case that drive me over-the-top as well, although mine translates into anger as well as sarcasm.

[arcane1]

29. "They always get away" he said, and made damn sure this one wouldn't.

I don't think he sought out to kill him, but he definitely wanted to detain Martin until police arrived. His gun made him feel invincible.

[patricia92243]

11. I thought his statement was "What are you doing here?" Don't know where I heard it or if

there is a grain of truth in it.

[csziggy]

60. Rachel Jeantel testified to that

She said that Martin asked Zimmerman "Why are you following me?" and that Zimmerman responded by "What are you doing here?"

Zimmerman in at least one of his stories said Martin said "What is your problem?" and Zimmerman said he didn't have a problem.

In both cases, Zimmerman didn't provide a proper response to defuse the situation.

If Zimmerman really wanted to reduce crime in his neighborhood, when Martin passed him as Zimmerman was talking to the Sanford PD, he would have stuck his head out his car window and greeted Martin. If Martin had been "up to no good" that should have been enough to scare him off.

One of the functions of neighborhood watch is to let people know that there are eyes keeping watch on the neighborhood. It is definitely not following and shooting people walking through the neighborhood!

[GreenStormCloud]

99. +1 N/T

[chelsea0011]

12. Because he had already made up his mind that this guy wasn't about

to "always get away with it". (in quotes because Zimmerman has said that). Problem is the "it" was just a walk.

[KittyWampus]

14. Why didn't he just stay in his car & wait for police to arrive?

[arcane1]

30. Because those "fucking punks always get away" n/t

[MrScorpio]

18. Nothing suggests that Zimmerman had been nothing but a suspicious, busy body prick...

I seriously doubt that he has either the requisite intelligence or tact to make such an approach other than as aggressive and confrontational.

He had a belief in his own phony-baloney authority and liked to push people around.

In short, he was an asshole with a gun.

[Cirque du So-What]

20. ^^Right here^^

'Asshole with a gun' sums it up nicely.

[DesertFlower]

22. that would have been the right thing to do.

[all american girl]

23. There has been a thing that has been bothering me about zimmerman....

On previous non-emergency 911 calls, he would state that he didn't want to confront the people he was calling on. What changed this time that he felt the need to get out of his vehicle and follow this kid? Did he have someone with him and he was trying to act like a big man? Did he have a bad day and decided that he had just had enough? Did his MMA classes make him feel more powerful and in control? I just don't get the change of behavior.

[arcane1]

31. Maybe this was the first time he had his gun with him.

Or maybe he got tired of the fact that "They always get away" and wanted to make sure this one didn't.

[Vattel]

45. Maybe he didn't confront Martin either. We don't know.

[ecstatic]

61. Drunk? High? No toxicology report, so we'll never know..

but imho, he sounds drunk on the 911 tape.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. Because he had a gun. n/t

[Hoyt]

32. Exactly, without that gun, he would have sat in his car and fumed about whatever

was bothering him.

[pipi_k]

33. Perhaps his mind

was being poisoned.

Testosterone and adrenaline often don't mix very well.

[Tom Ripley]

38. Because lying about the size of his dick had never worked for him in the past?

[GreenStormCloud]

39. Z should NEVER have left his truck.

TM had approached Z while Z was in the truck, then TM turned and ran away from Z while Z was in the truck. At that point Z got out of the truck. Getting out of his vehicle was completely against NW protocol. If a suspicious person sees you, give them a friendly wave. If they are up to no good, then they will know that they have been seen and can be identified. Almost always they will quit what they are doing. If they are not up to anything, then they will not be alarmed by a friendly person waving.

Always avoid a possible confrontation.

Z was totally wrong to get out of his truck.

[Vattel]

46. You are assuming that he got out of his truck so he could follow Martin.

He denies that. If you think you know that his denial is a lie, then you must have psychic powers.

[Voice for Peace]

48. the officers who interviewed him three days later seemed to think that's why he got out

tape of that interview is worth listening to.. it's with the esquire article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023130108

[Vattel]

70. My apologies, I was confusing two different issues.

What is in dispute is whether Zimmerman was following Martin after the dispatcher suggested that he not do that.

[WinkyDink]

49. Pardon us for having opinions.

[Hugabear]

50. So why did he get out of his truck?

Did Trayvon pull him out?

What about the part where Trayvon tells his friend about some creepy guy following him?

[bravenak]

53. No he admits to getting out of his truck to follow Trayvon.

Not denies, admits. There is a transcript.

[Vattel]

74. True, he said "yes" when the dispatcher asked him if he was following Martin.

[CatWoman]

54. and I'm assuming you're a fan of cold bloodied murder

[JI7]

55. only if the dead is a black kid

[GreenStormCloud]

84. Not psychic. Just relying upon the transcript of Z's own words.

1:58 Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you’d make a left. Uh, yeah, you go straight in, don’t turn and make a left. Shit, he’s running.

2:08 Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?

2:10 (door opens, sound of door alarm)

2:10 Zimmerman: Ah, down towards the, ah, other entrance of the neighborhood.

2:14 (door closes)

2:14 Dispatcher: OK. Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?

2:17 Zimmerman; The back entrance. Fucking punks.

2:20 (wind noise)

2:23 Dispatcher: Are you following him?

2:25 Zimmerman: Yeah.

2:26 Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.

[markpkessinger]

56. Why did he pursue Martin even after the 911 dispatcher specifically told him not to? n/t

[LittleBlue]

59. Take a look at Zimmerman's face

Do you see much intelligence there? I don't. He's an idiot on top of having some sort of mental disorder. No normal person tries to take it on himself to police the community.

[Nye Bevan]

73. Nothing wrong with the concept of "neigborhood watch".

But everything is wrong with the concept of wannabe cops strutting about with guns.

[naaman fletcher]

90. "take a look at Zimmerman's face. Do you see much intelligence there?"

I can't believe I just read that on DU.

[WhataKnight]

63. I agree 100%

This is what hurts my heart. Just ask the young man what he was up to and identify yourself as a neighborhood watch person and this all could have been avoided.

[Nye Bevan]

71. Perhaps he did, and it degenerated into a "creepy-ass cracker" versus n-word argument,

and the fight ensued.

There will always be people who argue and fight. But if people were not allowed to carry guns on the street, deaths would be much less likely to result from such incidents.

[HockeyMom]

77. Hi, can I help you?

Are you lost? Are you looking for a certain address? I have done this myself in my development. Did Zimmerman say anything like this, or just assume that a strange person meant a criminal, and go on the offensive, thereby putting the other person (Trayvon) also on the offensive?

[nyquil_man]

83. Detectives Singleton and Serino asked him why he didn't speak to Martin.

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After all, Zimmerman says on the 911 call that Martin is approaching his truck. He later tells the detectives that Martin was about a car length away from him.

His first reason for not talking to Martin at that point was that it was raining and he (Zimmerman) was talking on the phone. His second was that he was afraid to do so.

Yet, about a minute later, he's out of the truck and retracing Martin's steps, following a path which he says was so dark that he tried to turn on his flashlight in order to walk back.

[rustydog]

94. He ALREADY called 911 to repoort a person being black in HIS neighborhood

He already ignored the 911 instructions not to follow Trayvon. Why in hell this armed gutless piece of shit decided to confront a much smaller, much younger completely innocent pedestrian is anyone's guess, but nutless Zimmerman does know why.

His problem is Florida's "stand your ground" law included Trayvon's right to defend himself against an armed stalker and he did. The instigator picked a fight with an unarmed teenager and had his ass handed to him. In traditional armed coward fashion, Zimmerman shot and murdered an unarmed male after starting the confrontation.

[hunter]

95. Fuck Zimmerman. He shot somebody. End of Story.

When assholes have guns, bad things happen.