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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:50 PM Jun 2013

Here’s your Friday Afternoon Challenge, my DU pretties! Today: “Do my face!”

Here are some fabulous faces by 15th and 16th century artists of the famous, the forgotten and the allegorical figures of their times.

And please play fair and don’t cheat...

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Here’s your Friday Afternoon Challenge, my DU pretties! Today: “Do my face!” (Original Post) CTyankee Jun 2013 OP
#3 on the left Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #1
yep, sleepy eyes... CTyankee Jun 2013 #7
I looked at that painting and. . . . Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #10
No, but he was Cooool !!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #30
#3 for real - Giuliano San Gallo and Francesco Giamberti by Piero di Cosimo Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #8
did the clues in the painting give it away to you or did you know it? CTyankee Jun 2013 #11
Clues. Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #14
look at his hand. CTyankee Jun 2013 #16
That's just it. Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #23
an old profession and one that was very useful "back in the day." CTyankee Jun 2013 #29
Don't recognize any of them, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #2
#3 looks as though it might have been painted by Mantegna...though I doubt it! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #3
No, but I can understand why you would see that...certainly the same era! CTyankee Jun 2013 #5
#6 The Ugly Duchess Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #4
nasty sense of humor in that painting! CTyankee Jun 2013 #6
#s 3 and 4 contain "clues." CTyankee Jun 2013 #9
Another Friday Afternoon Challenge and I got Nothing… Nada… Jack… Zip… Zilch... Zero. Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #12
It's been guessed above. and yes, it is disturbing. I think I read somewhere that this woman CTyankee Jun 2013 #13
i looked at it and thought "alice in wonderland". i think tenniel was influenced, it's too similar. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #17
ah, yes, now I remember this illustration! Might be what you said... CTyankee Jun 2013 #19
per this, it was... HiPointDem Jun 2013 #25
well, I just got back from London so what can I tell you? The National Gallery is an CTyankee Jun 2013 #27
Ah, #1 The Ugly Duchess is really number six Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #22
My bad! My bad! (slap nasty fingers) Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #26
I've guessed only one right, and that was a long time ago, and it was a fresco Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #32
You didn't get it? I thought I sent it to you...geez...sorry, bro... CTyankee Jun 2013 #28
You did send them, but NSA, the rascals, intercepted them and resent last week's ciphers Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #35
#1 looked like Martin Luther to me. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #15
not Martin Luther (but I can see how you went there). #6 was guessed above.... CTyankee Jun 2013 #18
#5 Mz Pip Jun 2013 #20
No Caravaggio here...he was slightly later than this artist...this is High Renaissance... CTyankee Jun 2013 #24
#6 - The Ugly Dutchess PsychoBunny Jun 2013 #21
No clues for me. longship Jun 2013 #31
thanks, longship. I'm really surprised no one has guessed #5, tho...such a famous painter... CTyankee Jun 2013 #33
#5: Raphael - Self-portrait with a friend (aka Double Portrait with The Artist) pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #34
So did my hint help you? CTyankee Jun 2013 #36
I hadn't seen your hint, but I had Raphael on the brain... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #37
There's another self portrait of the artist in this Challenge...hint, hint... CTyankee Jun 2013 #38
Not #2 or #6 I presume. ;-) nt longship Jun 2013 #39
"Do my face"....I think I saw that movie once The Straight Story Jun 2013 #40
#1 St. Luke Drawing the Virgin by Rogier van der Weyden Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #41
Tell me how you did this...I don't think I could have, given my very own hints, really... CTyankee Jun 2013 #42
I'm not sure I know how either! Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #43
that's interesting! I'm glad you found it. I think it is wonderful and I love it! CTyankee Jun 2013 #44
It all started with William Morris Tansy_Gold Jun 2013 #46
a nice journey for you. I love PRB for its utter beauty. CTyankee Jun 2013 #47
#4: Jacopo Pontormo - Portrait of a Goldsmith. nt pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #45
hey, did you get this from my hint? CTyankee Jun 2013 #48
I couldn't make out what is in his hand pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #50
Sure jberryhill Jun 2013 #51
That's not true! When I mistype 'porno' Google suggests...oh, wait...um... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #52
Here's #1 today: DevonRex Jun 2013 #49
#2 is by Bronzino rusty fender Jun 2013 #53
Nice find! 'Portrait of Leonor de Toledo and her Son, Giovanni': pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #54
Altho I usually don't care too much for Mannerist painters, I do appreciate Bronzino. CTyankee Jun 2013 #56
RECAP OF ANSWERS: pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #55
thank YOU for your faithful participation! CTyankee Jun 2013 #57
We do have a good time pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #58
OMG. CTyankee Jun 2013 #59
Here's a recent photo of me doing the Friday Afternoon Challenge... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #60
LOL! CTyankee Jun 2013 #61

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
10. I looked at that painting and. . . .
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:10 PM
Jun 2013

. . . . because I'm old enough to remember Bob Mitchum, that was the first thing that came to my mind.

And I don't think he was Italian!!

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
8. #3 for real - Giuliano San Gallo and Francesco Giamberti by Piero di Cosimo
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jun 2013

This diptych by the Florentine artist Piero di Cosimo (1462-1521) is one of the few real masterpieces of Italian Renaissance painting that the Rijksmuseum owns. The man depicted on the left is Giuliano de San Gallo (1433-1516), a well-known architect who designed important buildings for Lorenzo de’ Medici and the Pope. The tools in front of him, a pen and a pair of compasses, indicate the nature of his profession. His counterpart, Giuliano's father, Francesco Giamberti (1405-1480), is portrayed in on the right side. He was an architect as well, but also a musician, which is hinted at by the sheet music lying in front of him. Music and architecture were considered similar disciplines, since they both strive for perfect harmony. Giuliano commissioned the panels around 1482, not long after his father’s death, most likely as a memorial. In his time, Piero di Cosimo was a celebrated artist and probably the most successful painter in Florence after Botticelli. Except for his artistic qualities he was known for his highly eccentric behavior. He refused to do any cleaning and cherished a sincere hatred for such diverse things as the coughing of men, the sound of bells and the singing of the friars. He was suffering from various phobias, including a strong fear of fire. As a result, he hardly ate hot meals. His usual food consisted of hard-boiled eggs that he prepared fifty at a time. According to the famous artist biographer Giorgio Vasari, Piero lived ‘more bestial than human’. That this did not prevent him from creating beautiful, finely painted work is proven by these great panels.

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
14. Clues.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jun 2013

I know pretty much zilcho about art, but I can usually spot something that will help.

And the clues in this were easy.


The clue in #4??? I can't see it well enough to determine what it is.

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
23. That's just it.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jun 2013

I can't tell what's in his hand, or what the object is in front of him.

I tried using "fur collar" and "jewelry" as search clues, but this one didn't come up.

Curses, stumped again!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. No, but I can understand why you would see that...certainly the same era!
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jun 2013

I'm glad you like these. I find them fascinating...

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
4. #6 The Ugly Duchess
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:33 PM - Edit history (1)

from Wikipedia


" . . . a satirical portrait painted by the Flemish artist Quentin Matsys around 1513."

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
12. Another Friday Afternoon Challenge and I got Nothing… Nada… Jack… Zip… Zilch... Zero.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

I'll visit later and learn a bit. Number six its rather disturbing, I want to know the backstory to that one.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. It's been guessed above. and yes, it is disturbing. I think I read somewhere that this woman
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jun 2013

had a disfiguring condition. It very sad.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
17. i looked at it and thought "alice in wonderland". i think tenniel was influenced, it's too similar.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jun 2013
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. per this, it was...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jun 2013

According to Martin Gardner in The Annotated Alice, John Tenniel's drawings of the Duchess were inspired by Quentin Matsys's The Ugly Duchess (c. 1513) in the National Gallery.[1] It has been said that the painting is a portrait of Margaret, Countess of Tyrol, who had the reputation of being the ugliest woman who ever existed. The painting, however, was done 200 years after her death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess_%28Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland%29

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
27. well, I just got back from London so what can I tell you? The National Gallery is an
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jun 2013

absolute treasure trove. Damn near killed me with my arthritic spine but I limped through it..."suffering" for art...LOL...

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
22. Ah, #1 The Ugly Duchess is really number six
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jun 2013

I didn't receive this weeks ciphers for my secret decoder ring.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
32. I've guessed only one right, and that was a long time ago, and it was a fresco
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

Even money says I could smoke you on a retest; I learn a lot from the Friday Afternoon Challenges.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
35. You did send them, but NSA, the rascals, intercepted them and resent last week's ciphers
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jun 2013

They are just continuing to play with my head after I made the same mistake forty years ago; they never forget.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. not Martin Luther (but I can see how you went there). #6 was guessed above....
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jun 2013

it is the Ugly Duchess...I couldn't resist using it...

 

PsychoBunny

(86 posts)
21. #6 - The Ugly Dutchess
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jun 2013

The Ugly Duchess (also known as A Grotesque Old Woman) is a satirical portrait painted by the Flemish artist Quentin Matsys around 1513. - Wikipedia

I don't even want to tell you what words I used to find it!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
34. #5: Raphael - Self-portrait with a friend (aka Double Portrait with The Artist)
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jun 2013
The identity of the man portrayed before Raphael is unknown. The ancient tradition identified him as his fencing master, since he holds the hilt of a sword. Modern art historians consider him one of the painter's pupils (perhaps Polidoro da Caravaggio or Giulio Romano), a friend and commissioner of the painting, such as Giovanni Battista Branconio, for whom Raphael had designed, in the Borgo quarter of Rome, the now destroyed Palazzo Branconio. Other people associated with the character include Pietro Aretino, Baldassarre Peruzzi and Antonio da Sangallo the Younger, as well as other painters such as Il Pordenone or Pontormo, but these hypotheses have been refuted by other portraits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-portrait_with_a_friend_(Raphael)


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
37. I hadn't seen your hint, but I had Raphael on the brain...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jun 2013

...because the subject in #4 reminded me of Raphael's self-portraits.

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
41. #1 St. Luke Drawing the Virgin by Rogier van der Weyden
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jun 2013

Saint Luke Drawing the Virgin is an oil-on-oak panel painting by the Netherlandish artist Rogier van der Weyden. It depicts Luke the Evangelist, the patron saint of artists, drawing the Virgin Mary as she holds the Child Jesus. Van der Weyden likely made the painting between 1435 and 1440 for the Guild of Saint Luke in Brussels, patrons to the painter.[1] The panel was probably one of van der Weyden's first as the City Painter of Brussels following his apprenticeship with Robert Campin.[2] The Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, where it is held, describes the work as "among the most important northern European paintings in the United States".[3]



(Clue helped!)

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
43. I'm not sure I know how either!
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

You mentioned that there was another self-portrait by the artist in this challenge. So I went to Google Images and put in "Renaissance self-portrait red robe" and it was about the third row down.

Because seriously, I have very little art knowledge beyond my fascination with the PRB (the artists and their lives even more than their art!) and some of the women artists.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
44. that's interesting! I'm glad you found it. I think it is wonderful and I love it!
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jun 2013

I also love the PRB (but I am also a huge fan of art nouveau). What got you started on that school of art?

Tansy_Gold

(17,862 posts)
46. It all started with William Morris
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:57 PM
Jun 2013

I discovered Morris by way of Tolkien in the 1960s, but didn't really get hooked on that whole PRB ==> Arts & Crafts ==> Socialism thing until many years later.

Sometimes the PRB art itself is sentimental and almost shallow but it's also (imho) very evocative and emotional. When you look at the artists' personal lives as a context for that art, it just becomes endlessly fascinating to me. There was in some ways a nostalgia for a mythic past that never was, and yet in other ways they abandoned the social traditions they would have grown up with that were a living remnant of that mythic past. Millais painted advertisements, Julia Margaret Cameron took the technology of photography and turned it to art. I think they knew, somehow, on an artistic level, that certain images reach/reflect universal emotions.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
50. I couldn't make out what is in his hand
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jun 2013

Multiple searches were getting nowhere, so I began entering in my search terms various objects he might be holding--pen, brush, cross....and viola!

I think it was "cross" that did it. I wanted to add more background info, but it must be buried somewhere in tons of commercial reproduction and poster sites.

I did find what looks o be the proper title of the work: Portrait of an Engraver of Semi-Precious Stones. And that it was an early work, between 1517-18. And that Pontormo was a leading Mannerist in Florence.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
49. Here's #1 today:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jun 2013


He's come back as Italian pro soccer player Riccardo Montolivo who plays for Milan and the Italian national team as well.

I have no clue about the paintings and I started late, but that face struck me immediately. I'll shut up now. and I'm so glad I changed an i to a u <<<----- back that way a bit.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
54. Nice find! 'Portrait of Leonor de Toledo and her Son, Giovanni':
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jun 2013
In 1539 Cosimo (Cosimo I de’Medici, the first Grand Duke of Tuscany) married Leonor of Toledo, descended from one of the noblest families of Spain. This act further consolidated his power within the context of European politics.

Bronzino depicted Leonor on numerous occasions, both alone and accompanied by her one or more of her eleven children. The most outstanding example is the portrait now in the Galleria degli Uffizi in Florence (fig. 1), considered a masterpiece due to its technical quality and exquisite artistic merit.


Fig. 1
Bronzino. Portrait of Leonor de Toledo and her Son, Giovanni, ca.1545-1546. Oil on panel, 115 x 96 cm. Florence, Galleria degli Uffizi, inv: 1890 no.748. Soprintendenza Speciale per il Polo Museale Fiorentino


http://www.museothyssen.org/en/thyssen/contenidos_articulo/10


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. Altho I usually don't care too much for Mannerist painters, I do appreciate Bronzino.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:55 AM
Jun 2013

This is particularly beautiful. I love the way he did the light behind her head...nice effect!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
55. RECAP OF ANSWERS:
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:47 AM
Jun 2013

1. Rogier van der Weyden - St. Luke Drawing the Virgin

2. Bronzino - Portrait of Leonor de Toledo and her Son, Giovanni

3. Piero di Cosimo - Giuliano San Gallo and Francesco Giamberti

4. Jacopo Pontormo - Portrait of an Engraver of Semi-Precious Stones (aka Portrait of a Goldsmith)

5. Raphael - Self-Portrait with a Friend (aka Double Portrait with The Artist)

6. Quentin Matsys - The Ugly Duchess (aka A Grotesque Old Woman)


Thanks for another great Challenge, CTyankee!






CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
57. thank YOU for your faithful participation!
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jun 2013

we sure have a good time here, don't we?

The thing I love about art is that I can spend a lot of time chasing down obscure references, historical notes and all kinds of trivia and just get lost in it all...it takes me out of the ordinary every day stuff...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
58. We do have a good time
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jun 2013

Your Challenges are fun and educational, especially for an art dunce like me. They are not without their agony, especially on the very tough ones, but I think of it as...




CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
59. OMG.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jun 2013

well, another one next Friday. You seem pretty well equipped to deal with these challenges yourself, tho...LOL...

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