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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:53 PM Jun 2013

How Much Are You Bothered by Spelling, Grammar, Capitalization, and Punctuation Errors

on the Internet?

This seems like a reasonable question, and may give us some idea of how much of a problem such errors are or are believed to be by people.


53 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Extremely Bothered - They make me discount the content completely.
4 (8%)
Very Bothered - They make me seriously question the validity of the content.
18 (34%)
Moderately Bothered - Such errors are very annoying, and indicate poor thinking.
12 (23%)
Somewhat Bothered - I get annoyed at this, but try to look past them and at the content.
10 (19%)
Not Very Bothered - It's the Internet. People aren't as careful with their writing.
5 (9%)
Hardly Bothered at All - I not really concerned about people making such errors.
1 (2%)
Knot Botheered at Awl - Whut errurs?
2 (4%)
I'm Repulsed by This Poll.
1 (2%)
I Always Vote in Polls.
0 (0%)
Dingbats Rule!
0 (0%)
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How Much Are You Bothered by Spelling, Grammar, Capitalization, and Punctuation Errors (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2013 OP
Less bothered since smartphones came out jberryhill Jun 2013 #1
this^^ nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #11
I have to 'speak' some of my posts with my smartphone, since sometimes I cannot write. msanthrope Jun 2013 #46
Posting to DU while driving is tough! jberryhill Jun 2013 #146
I've found myself pulling over to the side of the road more than once to answer a DU post. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #147
I just drive with my knees.... jberryhill Jun 2013 #148
Ah--but I have the 10 year old in the car! And I drive a boat--a big Dodge. msanthrope Jun 2013 #149
I used to drive a stick jberryhill Jul 2013 #155
Leaf off the puns, will ya? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #157
I guess texting doesn't bother anyone? nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #61
Texting doesn't bother me. MineralMan Jun 2013 #75
Texting makes Jesus cry. NoPasaran Jun 2013 #81
dere jesis, MineralMan Jun 2013 #90
The one that bugs me the most is "lightening" instead of "lightning" hobbit709 Jun 2013 #2
I'm always entranced by the lightening sky at dawn. MineralMan Jun 2013 #3
For me it's 'seperate' instead of 'separate'. randome Jun 2013 #12
My fifth grade English teacher, among other things, MineralMan Jun 2013 #16
I'll admit that for many years, I spelt it "seperate" Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #150
Reminds me of something Mark Twain said: Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #105
Mine is "loosing" for "losing" treestar Jun 2013 #115
BUT I CAN'T STAND ALL CAPS!!!!!! FarCenter Jun 2013 #4
i dON'T bLAME yOU! MineralMan Jun 2013 #5
Lose vs. loose narnian60 Jun 2013 #6
You can't lose if you maintain a loose interpretation MineralMan Jun 2013 #8
And its variant.. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #17
A 'looser' is someone I don't want to stand behind. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #47
Especially 'hugh looser.' Scurrilous Jun 2013 #62
My biggest pet peeve! louis-t Jun 2013 #97
I went for a pass because Xyzse Jun 2013 #7
This, exactly. kiva Jun 2013 #13
Yes. This. (nt) Control-Z Jun 2013 #31
It only bothers me if I spot them in regular articles.......... thelordofhell Jun 2013 #9
^^^this^^^ Freddie Jun 2013 #127
I've become more tolerant. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #10
Then he will be "hoist by his own petard," MineralMan Jun 2013 #14
Of course. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #19
It bothers me especially when ........ oldhippie Jun 2013 #15
It is always wise to proofread any rant you write about MineralMan Jun 2013 #18
Double points awarded for this post. ^ TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #24
Yeah, I agree with that. TDale313 Jun 2013 #43
I Collect Examples of Errors On the Road Jun 2013 #153
That is so true ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #154
Thanks for posting this pole TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #20
Ewe our wright. MineralMan Jun 2013 #22
"To err is human; to forgive, ovine" pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #41
It doesn't bother me too much. TDale313 Jun 2013 #21
Nearly all my posts will show a 'Last Edited' time on them. randome Jun 2013 #27
What bothers me more is that after decades of reading on the internet csziggy Jun 2013 #23
I believe that should be "apostrophe's." MineralMan Jun 2013 #25
!'!'!'''''' csziggy Jun 2013 #42
Yeah, that drive's me crazy. nt Link Speed Jun 2013 #93
It drives me up a tree when posters use apostrophes with plural nouns. n/t RebelOne Jun 2013 #106
I'm worried that the logic of our language is dis-integrating. It troubles me that it seems patrice Jun 2013 #26
It's a sign of a poor education customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #28
Even well educated people make typing MineralMan Jun 2013 #34
Well, there's education customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #45
It is however, rather easy in most cases to see the difference between a typo and a poor spelling... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #91
I don't disagree with you on those points. MineralMan Jun 2013 #95
In resumes, very much bothered. Elsewhere, not so much. Scuba Jun 2013 #29
I once did not hire a programmer, because MineralMan Jun 2013 #39
As long as he was consistent, the compiler doesn't care usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #107
Misspellings can be significant in computer code Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #109
Ah, BASIC and its undeclared variables. MineralMan Jun 2013 #113
Extremely bothered. Distracts from content I may not wish to discount. aquart Jun 2013 #30
I don't care that much, but... tridim Jun 2013 #32
Depends where on 'the internet'... RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #33
This is my stance too. surrealAmerican Jun 2013 #122
I come from a family of editors. RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #35
Poor grammar is the sign of a lazy mind. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #36
Hardly bothered...what they SAY is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than some writing errors... Tikki Jun 2013 #37
Content is what counts. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #38
Indeed it is. MineralMan Jun 2013 #64
Were you asked to go somewhere? No, you were not. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #116
None of that has anything whatsoever to do with this thread. MineralMan Jun 2013 #118
It has everything to do with this thread. Does X annoy you? No, Y annoys me. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #123
Ignore is also a function on DU. MineralMan Jun 2013 #125
So what? Why announce it? Why not just do so? Does the fanfare stoke your jets? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #152
I LOL at "Knot Botheered at Awl - Whut errurs?" MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #40
It depends on the context WilmywoodNCparalegal Jun 2013 #44
If there's one or more errors in the subject line, I usually skip the post entirely. nt planetc Jun 2013 #48
I only hold journalists to that high standard. kentauros Jun 2013 #49
The state of editing these days is very poor. MineralMan Jun 2013 #52
That's true. kentauros Jun 2013 #70
I had to turn off the automatic substitution feature MineralMan Jun 2013 #73
I'm the same way with Word and autocorrect. kentauros Jun 2013 #86
You are so correct. RebelOne Jun 2013 #108
Their, there, they're, Mineral Man. Everything will be just fine!! madinmaryland Jun 2013 #50
I won't count on that, as is my wont. MineralMan Jun 2013 #53
I am bothered by the miss use of RC Jun 2013 #51
I must not comment. I must not comment. MineralMan Jun 2013 #54
miss use - misuse moondust Jun 2013 #57
I do know that - Honest! RC Jun 2013 #60
Ok, I screwed up RC Jun 2013 #59
I think the word you want is "betterer." MineralMan Jun 2013 #63
More betterer. narnian60 Jun 2013 #130
Let me add a few: Nay Jun 2013 #139
Using completely the wrong word stands out more. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #55
That's an excellent example. MineralMan Jun 2013 #58
Also seems to be unique to US posters. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #68
Well, I'm smarter then they are, I guess. MineralMan Jun 2013 #69
That's a mute point. tridim Jun 2013 #71
Good point. It's just not exceptable. n/t TheCowsCameHome Jun 2013 #82
lol dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #100
Not really. MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #56
My biggest concern is lack of commas and periods in posts. House of Roberts Jun 2013 #65
Yes. That's a real issue, too. MineralMan Jun 2013 #66
Other: LWolf Jun 2013 #67
30 years a high school teacher... Bigmack Jun 2013 #72
Well, since we are just primates with thinner hair, MineralMan Jun 2013 #74
It says a lot about IQ and attitude Coyotl Jun 2013 #76
Attitude more than IQ, I think. MineralMan Jun 2013 #77
Moran guy is a good example Coyotl Jun 2013 #126
I put on my ignore list anyone ridiculing another just because of spelling. It shows their ... JackN415 Jun 2013 #78
OK. MineralMan Jun 2013 #80
I 100% agree. Assholes mostly. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #141
Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #79
Now, that's funny, hilarious and amusing, MineralMan Jun 2013 #85
Significantly less bothered than I am by people who focus on or correct those errors wickerwoman Jun 2013 #83
Extremely bothered. MicaelS Jun 2013 #84
I have noticed of late the alarming xxqqqzme Jun 2013 #87
Some people have a truly difficult time discerning between the two. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #88
There was a brief discussion of that earlier in the thread. MineralMan Jun 2013 #89
I sometimes have to individually damn my fingers kentauros Jun 2013 #144
In newspapers, they bother me a lot Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #92
My therapist says I am obsessed about it.... geckosfeet Jun 2013 #94
I could care less... ileus Jun 2013 #96
We all could, I'm sure. MineralMan Jun 2013 #99
rut roh In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #102
You COULD care less, kentauros Jun 2013 #143
Welllllll....I used to teach the stuff, so I get moderately annoyed. But I HATE "LEAD" for "LED"! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #98
I can't help but be somewhat bothered once I see an error gvstn Jun 2013 #101
There's at least 40 folks here azurnoir Jun 2013 #103
What a completely asinine remark. I hate the condescending "folks," too, so thanks for playing. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #114
asinine? it was hardly condescending but a point in fact azurnoir Jun 2013 #117
I am extremely bothered because I worked as a copy editor 16 years RebelOne Jun 2013 #104
I have had dealings with copy editors. MineralMan Jun 2013 #111
I have a book which infuriates me because of sloppy copyediting Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #121
The AP style book was our bible for the copy editors at the publishing company where I worked. n/t RebelOne Jun 2013 #136
Makes me crazy, but I don't correct SheilaT Jun 2013 #110
The kindest, wisest and most talented man I have ever known was practically illiterate siligut Jun 2013 #112
This country needs a bag grammar lobby in Washington npk Jun 2013 #119
What you said... MineralMan Jun 2013 #120
LOL. I am the worse offender. npk Jun 2013 #124
Little or no concern bigwillq Jun 2013 #128
the purpose of communication is to be understood Johonny Jun 2013 #129
Not very bothered unless a poster is criticizing my errors with a post full of errors. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #131
I had to pass. While the mistakes others make hardly bother me at all, MY mistakes stand out cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #132
I am more bothered by those who think savalez Jun 2013 #133
+1000 n-t Logical Jun 2013 #142
It drives me demented. nt sibelian Jun 2013 #134
Mine- A LOT! loyalsister Jun 2013 #135
Never. hunter Jun 2013 #137
I can forgive one or two errors as everybody makes mistakes. mythology Jun 2013 #138
I think anyone who is very bothered is someone I would not enjoy spending time with. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #140
I can forgive people online for the most part, kentauros Jun 2013 #145
Ever since the advent of smart phones, I gave up caring... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #151
may i share why i type in all lower case? hopemountain Jul 2013 #156
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Less bothered since smartphones came out
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jun 2013

You can't tell if someone is typing with their thumbs on a tiny screen, so I'm not as bothered as I used to be.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
46. I have to 'speak' some of my posts with my smartphone, since sometimes I cannot write.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

Those are always fun.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
148. I just drive with my knees....
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

...because one of these days I might know an answer to the Friday Art Quiz, and I can't let that moment pass me by.

Although when I'm abroad, I sometimes have a rental with a manual transmission.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
149. Ah--but I have the 10 year old in the car! And I drive a boat--a big Dodge.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jun 2013

Used to drive a stick. I miss it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
75. Texting doesn't bother me.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jun 2013

I don't text, and I never open texts for reading on my primitive flip phone, either.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. For me it's 'seperate' instead of 'separate'.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:09 PM
Jun 2013

It's a simple rule! E's on the outside, A's on the inside!

But, on the whole, the English language is fucked up anyways and I can easily see societal evolution transforming 'through' into 'thru', which it already has in a lot of cases, such as on street signs.

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So then I'm right about being wrong.
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Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
150. I'll admit that for many years, I spelt it "seperate"
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jun 2013

Because that's the way I pronounce it.

My twin brother, who is a terrible speller, has said that it is his life's ambition to desecrate the grave of Samuel Johnson.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
105. Reminds me of something Mark Twain said:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jun 2013

The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
97. My biggest pet peeve!
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jun 2013

It only bothers me because it is so common. Ridiculously common. One other one is 'leagal' for 'legal'.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
7. I went for a pass because
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

Very Bothered - They make me seriously question the validity of the content, but I try to look past them and figure out the content.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
9. It only bothers me if I spot them in regular articles..........
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

Shows that there is no editorial control..............

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
127. ^^^this^^^
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jun 2013

Who cares if it's regular people like here or in a comments section. But when it's from
someone who is being paid to write (a publication or advertising)--arrghh!
Front page article of an award winning newspaper--"he was in the throws of a dilemma." No.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
19. Of course.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

I still correct the shopping lists. One is never too old to learn how to spell mayonnaise correctly.

Honestly, I do it more to see his facial expression. Confusion is attractive in some men.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
15. It bothers me especially when ........
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jun 2013

..... the person making the error just finished a rant about how much smarter and more educated we are compared to those stupid, ignorant, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal Republicans. I cringe every time.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. It is always wise to proofread any rant you write about
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

such errors very carefully, and more than once.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
43. Yeah, I agree with that.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jun 2013

If you're gonna call someone else stupid, it's good if you don't mix up "there", "they're" and "their" or "its" and "it's" in the same post, for example.,

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
153. I Collect Examples of Errors
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jun 2013

and it's rare to see a post pointing out spelling or grammatical errors which does not contain some kind of error itself.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
21. It doesn't bother me too much.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

I do tend to get pretty embarrassed when I catch one of my own mistakes or typos.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. Nearly all my posts will show a 'Last Edited' time on them.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jun 2013

But not this one.

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So then I'm right about being wrong.
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csziggy

(34,136 posts)
23. What bothers me more is that after decades of reading on the internet
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

I am doing more and more of the errors in my own typing! My most common typo used to be "teh" as my fingers flew over the keyboard. But recently I have noticed I am inadvertently using more of the common internet errors. At least I have not started to use inappropriate apostrophes - one of my pet peeves.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
26. I'm worried that the logic of our language is dis-integrating. It troubles me that it seems
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jun 2013

people are unaware of how deeply they can be mis-understood and people can make mistakes about what is being communicated. Grammar and mechanics of language are essentially about logic and rationality, even in its more non-rational form, like poetry.

Even if mis-understanding and error don't happen to happen, I wonder about how much humanity is lost to the fact that fewer and fewer people are wondering, asking questions, and thinking about how OTHERS perceive and understand the content of what we are saying to one another.

If none of that matters, why bother? What ARE we doing? Is all of this really only for self-gratification and power acquisition however fleeting?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
34. Even well educated people make typing
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jun 2013

errors. When that happens, I take it more as a sign of over-eagerness to post quickly. Only errors that are caused by a poor understanding of language are bothersome to me.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
45. Well, there's education
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

and there's education. What I mean is that I've met folks who went to grad school that you could describe as "educated", yet really didn't pick up or retain much from that. I recall an incident in 2004 when my ex-girlfriend and I were in Utah, and she was preparing to go to Iraq for her company, to set up training and employment centers there. She had no idea exactly where Iraq even was, and when I whipped out a pen, and started drawing a map of the Middle East on a napkin, she was blown away. My associates degree (from tech school, no less) beat her master's from Oregon State University.

I don't always blame the education industry for poorly educating students, I also fault them for not picking up everything they could have access to. When my son complained about a couple of his high school teachers, I told him to never let a bad teacher stand in the way of him getting an education in the particular subject, he could always do additional reading or study.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
91. It is however, rather easy in most cases to see the difference between a typo and a poor spelling...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013

It is however, rather easy in most cases to see the difference between a typo and a poor spelling.

We can't often use typo as an excuse when we use 'there' rather than 'they're'. And, as over 3/4 of typos are due to the adjacency or close proximity of keys (e.g., 'poinr' rather than 'point'), that too allows us an additional tool to distinguish the too from each other. (intentional joke for make the point).

Working in an industry where everything on my co-workers' desks gets a first round proof, a second round proof, and a final proof has led me to believe that the typo is less common than imagined, and poor spelling skills much more common than imagined.

I would think the more well educated a person, the more pride they would take in their ability to communicate effectively and efficiently, regardless of the medium.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
95. I don't disagree with you on those points.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

As someone who makes a living by banging on a keyboard, I literally eat my words. Even so, I sometimes make errors when writing. Not too many, since I type with my head up, looking at the monitor, and catch most errors when they happen. But, I still proofread everything twice before turning it in to a client. Even then, an occasional error will creep in.

Frustrating.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
39. I once did not hire a programmer, because
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

code he wrote failed to run because of multiple misspellings. Even though the logic in the code was OK, the hassles of dealing with stupid misspellings would have destroyed efficiency.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
107. As long as he was consistent, the compiler doesn't care
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013

All the interviews I've done, they focus on logic not spelling... never held me back :p

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
109. Misspellings can be significant in computer code
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jun 2013

Circa 1990, I had to program in DEC's BASIC+2. I misspelt a variable name, and the compiler said, "Oh, here is a new variable, I will accept it, give it a value of null if it is a string or zero if it is a number, and continue on my merry way without telling anyone". This might be acceptable in an interactive, interpreted language, but not in a compiled language. It should at least have given me a warning about an undeclared variable.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
32. I don't care that much, but...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jun 2013

I do make assumptions about a person's education based on the proper or improper use of there, they're and their.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
122. This is my stance too.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

If it is a supposedly "professional" site, it just looks unprofessional. If it's just some unpaid people expressing opinions, it's pretty much to be expected.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
38. Content is what counts.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

I expect professionalism in professional settings, here I expect humanity and honesty which is far too much to ask of some folks anyway.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
116. Were you asked to go somewhere? No, you were not.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jun 2013

I don't give a shit about that which a proof reader can correct for a fee, I care about thought, content, honesty and human decency, which is all to often lacking in many posters here.

The only thing worse than a person who falsely claims a post was satire that failed is a poster who posts failed satire. I have for more respect for satire than I do for anti gay propagandists, for example. How about you?
The other thing that annoys me on DU is 'self deletion' addicts. Those who can not stand by that which they hurl. Annoying.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
118. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with this thread.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jun 2013

So, I will simply ignore it.

See you in my next thread.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
123. It has everything to do with this thread. Does X annoy you? No, Y annoys me.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry if my focus is not on the comma, which you overuse as badly as I do, but on content.
And 'to ignore' is a verb with an actual meaning. Responding to what I said is the opposite of ignoring what I said. The opposite.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
125. Ignore is also a function on DU.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jun 2013

I believe I will take advantage of it, making a special exception to my normal practice.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
152. So what? Why announce it? Why not just do so? Does the fanfare stoke your jets?
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:43 AM
Jun 2013

Do as you please. We both know what it is. Many on DU know what it is as well. The chatter around DU is that every time one of your anti gay posts gets found out and you 'self delete' them, you follow with OPs about grammar. It is a cycle you carry out. Next will be posts about your neighborhood, the house next door usually sells for the first time in years each time this year, for example. Transparent is as transparent does.

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
44. It depends on the context
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

On resumes or cover letters, in formal correspondence, in public presentation materials, etc.: it bothers me a lot.

Text messages, informal e-mails, informal communication, etc.: not so much.

It also depends on whether the errors are made by native English speakers or not. I'm not a native English speaker and, for some reason, it bothers me more when people who use English as their first and native tongue make very careless mistakes that can easily be avoided: they're, their, there, its, it's, and so on.

I guess if I learned how to avoid these mistakes and English is not even my native tongue, it is not unreasonable to expect those who have English as their native tongue to do likewise.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
49. I only hold journalists to that high standard.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jun 2013

They're reporting important news after all. They should know better, or at least first send it to an editor that does, for, you know, editing!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
52. The state of editing these days is very poor.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jun 2013

Where all publications used to pass content through a chain of editors, many have no editorial oversight at all any longer. Instead, they appear to rely on spelling and grammar checkers in software. And since computers cannot understand English, some of the errors are comical.

Not all "journalists" are good journalists, in any case.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
70. That's true.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

Twitter may be making things even worse. I don't know how it is on all phones, but some of the 'dumber' ones, like mine, don't have spellcheck in the message field for texts.

I get the feeling that immediacy has trumped accuracy, and I don't think it'll get any better unless the software does.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
73. I had to turn off the automatic substitution feature
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:00 PM
Jun 2013

on my tablet. The vocabulary of its spelling checker is much smaller than my vocabulary and it kept swapping in incorrect words for words I had properly spelled, but that weren't in its dictionary.

Microsoft Word has a larger dictionary, but I still have to add words to it frequently to keep it from annoying me. I do, however, use its autocorrect feature to type many phrases I often use when I enter a shortcut. In some cases it's a big time-saver, especially when I'm writing website content that contains trademark symbols. I keep adding brand names into the autocorrect dictionary to save time.

Company names, too, are frequently used, and sometimes are made up of multiple works, like Johnny Reb's Heating and Air Conditioning Service. I'm not typing that more than once, so I use JRH, and let Word do the typing.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
86. I'm the same way with Word and autocorrect.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jun 2013

What perplexes me is reading something like damnyouautocorrect.com and wonder why people continue to use that feature. The other thing about it that doesn't make sense is why the default dictionaries would have "nonsense words" included. I can understand that people likely add all the vulgar words to their dictionaries, but the inclusion of nonsensical words into the default dictionaries makes even less sense.

It's almost as if the dictionary-creators have an agenda to mess up people's relationships

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
108. You are so correct.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013

I was a copy editor for 13 years and worked with 7 editors and none of them used correct punctuation or grammar. I used to have a field day correcting their stories.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
51. I am bothered by the miss use of
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

There - Their - They're
To - too
lose - loose
affect - effect
site - sight
your - you're
its - it's
weather - whether

There are a lot more, but these are the common words most abused.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
59. Ok, I screwed up
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jun 2013

I need to proof read more better. That is the major problem with posts such as these. All but guaranteed...

Nay

(12,051 posts)
139. Let me add a few:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jun 2013

reign -- rein
loose -- lose
it's -- its
cite -- site -- sight
incite -- insight
ordinance -- ordnance

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
58. That's an excellent example.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jun 2013

It's one that always puzzles me, too. It's not a typo, clearly. Then and than are too different on the keyboard.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
69. Well, I'm smarter then they are, I guess.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013


I think it may be a regional pronunciation thing, actually. I hear some people pronouncing "then" and "than" the same, sometimes. Lazy speech leads to lazy spelling, it seems.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
71. That's a mute point.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jun 2013

That one makes me LOL every time.

I learned it from Jesse Jackson on SNL in the 80's, "The Question Is Moot!"

http://www.maniacworld.com/question-is-moot.html

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
56. Not really.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jun 2013

I am much more concerned with my own errors than those of others. Wall of texts, otoh, make me eager to scroll.

House of Roberts

(5,177 posts)
65. My biggest concern is lack of commas and periods in posts.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jun 2013

Sometimes it's hard to understand what a person really means when there's no way to know where one sentence ends and the next begins.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
66. Yes. That's a real issue, too.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jun 2013

On the other hand, my wife often finds too many commas in my writing, which is somewhat embarrassing. I am, apparently, a master splicer and a captain of comma misuse.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
67. Other:
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jun 2013

I'm extremely bothered. I'm a Language Arts teacher. I spend my professional life trying to eradicate those errors and teach those standard conventions.

I don't dismiss the content, though. I find it sloppy, lazy, and embarrassing, but I understand that people don't always read what they've typed before they post. I understand that not everyone was raised on standardized language conventions, that slang is legitimate expression, and that language is constantly evolving along with the means of communication.

It's interesting to note that, on DU, those kinds of errors made by Republicans are fodder for ridicule. It's okay to use language conventions to put down the "enemy," but not your own.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
72. 30 years a high school teacher...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jun 2013

Spelling and grammar and syntax are important.

With all the sloppy English I see written today...

... I fear the next step down is flinging our shit at each other.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
74. Well, since we are just primates with thinner hair,
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

we'll probably end up doing what primates do, in the end.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
126. Moran guy is a good example
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe more about education and, of course, English as a first language or not, than about IQ.

But, I'll have to except Homo moranis

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
78. I put on my ignore list anyone ridiculing another just because of spelling. It shows their ...
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jun 2013

shallowness of thoughts and ideas.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
83. Significantly less bothered than I am by people who focus on or correct those errors
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jun 2013

instead of addressing the actual argument.

People make errors when they are in a hurry or are less educated or because they don't place that much value on perfect English.

People only correct errors to be smug or as a lame excuse to discount the opinions of others.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
84. Extremely bothered.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jun 2013

I don't care how many degrees, or how much education a person claims they have, if they cannot spell, or use proper punctuation, especially the proper use of capital letters, that demeans their message, and I am going to give it less credence.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
87. I have noticed of late the alarming
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jun 2013

frequency of person unable to correctly use 'then' and 'than'. It seems persons are using the words as if they interchangeable.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
88. Some people have a truly difficult time discerning between the two.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jun 2013

And it has nothing to do with laziness or even intelligence. Some people, especially those who had literacy issues as a child, have mental blocks when it comes to common spelling errors.

For instance, I had an extremely tough time figuring out how to use commas, semi-colons and apostrophes in 6th grade even though I read at a college level. I've never fully recovered.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
89. There was a brief discussion of that earlier in the thread.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

It occurs to me that some people pronounce the two words the same in some usages. That might explain the interchangeability of the spellings in some people's writing. I'm not sure, though.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
144. I sometimes have to individually damn my fingers
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jun 2013

for dyslexically interchanging the two words. I usually catch it, after my fingers spend a little time in Hell first

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
143. You COULD care less,
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jun 2013

however, it is obvious that you, indeed, do not care less. Do you care more, instead?

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
101. I can't help but be somewhat bothered once I see an error
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jun 2013

But to be honest, I rarely go back after submitting a post to fix a simple typo. I've even let a "there"/"their error slide by without correction.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
114. What a completely asinine remark. I hate the condescending "folks," too, so thanks for playing.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:52 PM
Jun 2013

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
117. asinine? it was hardly condescending but a point in fact
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jun 2013

if a spelling or punctuation mistake makes you disregard content then that's condescending and rather pointless too

also reading about the Zimmerman trial that's approximately what West is attempting with at least one witness IMO

sorry you're offended
ETA went back and looked seems you're one who disregards because of spelling or punctuation errors personally I take content or thought first, then spelling and punctuation

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
104. I am extremely bothered because I worked as a copy editor 16 years
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jun 2013

for 30 outdoors magazines, and my job was to correct spelling, grammatical, capitalization and punctuation errors. Many of these errors that I see all over the Internet make me want to pull my hair out. I restrain myself when I see those types of errors here at DU. But there are a few times when I have lost control and pointed out the mistakes.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
111. I have had dealings with copy editors.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jun 2013

I've always enjoyed my conversations with them, and sometimes even won. My favorite copy editor was the copy chief for one of the magazines for which I was a contributing editor. She and I often had knock-down drag-out battles over usage. She was something of a strict constructionist when it came to the AP style book. I was, and am, a descriptive grammarian, rather than a prescriptive one.

That led to many amusing conversations. Occasionally, I was able to prevail, but the AP style book generally won the day.

On the other hand, I once got a copy editor fired at a major book publisher. She, a recent college graduate, did not understand the content she was editing. The book in question was an instructional book about WordPerfect 6.0 for MSDOS. A good portion of the book contained snippets written in WordPerfect's macro language.

This copy editor had read in her style guide that it was better to use "When" instead of "If" at the beginning of most sentences. So, if I wrote, "If WordPerfect crashes, you can recover part of what you had written by..." It was only humorous when she changed that "If" to "When." Of course, that version of WordPerfect often crashed, so that was appropriate, perhaps.

However, when her global search and replace change programming code statments from If statements to meaningless When statements, that code would not run.

I called the copy editor and explained that she had made a grievous error and that she needed to revert to my original writing. She got angry and told me that I would have to go through the manuscript and manually change her erroneous search and replace changes.

My next call was to the publisher's office, where I made it clear that I was not about to make hundreds of changes, manually, to correct the copy editor's incompetence. He agreed, and dismissed the editor forthwith. Someone else fixed the errors, by reversing the process and selectively making appropriate changes. As it turned out, WordPerfect 6.0 for MSDOS was a major turkey on the market, and my book never earned its advance on royalties. But, never mind.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
121. I have a book which infuriates me because of sloppy copyediting
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

It's John Julius Norwich's A Short History of Byzantium. Apparently, the copy editor used a computerized spell checker, and picked the first suggestion whenever it came across a misspelt word. All the words are spelt correctly, but sometimes it's the wrong word. For example, in a discussion of a sixth-century heresy called "monothelitism," the word "monotheism" is used once. If I were Lord Norwich, I would be extremely annoyed.

I also remember an historical novel I once read, in which the word "parameter" is used instead of "perimeter."

The worst misspelling I know of is a woman who has a tattoo on her arm of 1 Corinthians 13:13 -- "Faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love" -- with "Corinthians" misspelt.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
110. Makes me crazy, but I don't correct
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jun 2013

publicly. I do, on occasion, send a PM to someone to let them know they might want to change something.

I'm most crazed by incorrectly using lie and lay. It's obvious that for thirty years or more school in this country have not bothered to teach the difference between those two.

Also, the auto-correct features are sometimes wrong. My version of Word invariably gets it's and its wrong. In the past I've noticed some other grammar features they are (or were) incorrect on. I recall being in a class where a non-native speaker of English said he relied on the grammar check function of Word, which of course made sense, but it also made him preserve certain errors. Sigh.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
112. The kindest, wisest and most talented man I have ever known was practically illiterate
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:51 PM
Jun 2013

I look for the message in any post, but if it is poorly written and I also disagree with the message, in my mind, I will use the poor presentation to self-bolster my position.

npk

(3,660 posts)
119. This country needs a bag grammar lobby in Washington
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jun 2013

It's the only way I see this problem truly being addressed.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
128. Little or no concern
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

Not bothered very much by it. I try to spell things correctly and use spell check, but if I misspell a word on the internet, my life will go on.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
129. the purpose of communication is to be understood
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jun 2013

if you understood what the person was saying the rest is just fluff.

If your only response is to correct grammar than you really had nothing to say.




BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
131. Not very bothered unless a poster is criticizing my errors with a post full of errors.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jun 2013

Then it becomes personal and I go after them like a buzzard on a gut-wagon.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
132. I had to pass. While the mistakes others make hardly bother me at all, MY mistakes stand out
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

like sore thumbs to me.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
133. I am more bothered by those who think
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jun 2013

they have won the debate simply because their opponent misspelled a word.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
137. Never.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jun 2013

English is such a mess it hardly matters.

The power of English is that it spontaneously breeds new words and usages, and it easily adopts words, spelling, and grammar from other languages.

It'd be an awful thing to freeze this wretched language as it is.

Evolution is good.

Write first, edit later.

I only edit posts here if I've screwed up a link or my meaning is catastrophically unclear. Any other times my edits can only mean my OCD is drifting out of control again. In my most wretched states I'll spend hours writing computer code that's perfect but of no consequence. Perfection is the enemy of the good.

I have a vision of "perfect," I'm very well educated by most standards, but I try not to let the perfect get in the way of what I want, and especially not get in the way of what is good.

Feel free to criticize my opinions; but anyone criticize my spelling or grammar, I ain't gonna pay attention.



 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
138. I can forgive one or two errors as everybody makes mistakes.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

But if those mistakes turn into patterns, or the person doesn't even try, I'm more than willing to put them on ignore. My theory is, if they can't be bothered to try to write correctly, they probably don't have anything especially vital or interesting to say.

There's also an exception for people who clearly aren't native speakers.

I'm so anal retentive that I use capitalization and punctuation as well as spelling out words in text messages. I am proud to say that I've never used the letter U as a stand in for the word you or the letter R as a stand in for the word are.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
145. I can forgive people online for the most part,
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jun 2013

as I sometimes deal with clumsy fingers/dyslexic control (Fingers. Why do you keep typing out "wiht"?)

Thankfully, the human mind can rearrange the letters and we understand what was meant, even as our egos balk at the outrageous errors

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
151. Ever since the advent of smart phones, I gave up caring...
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:31 AM
Jun 2013

As I noticed that I'm prone to make mistakes when writing from my smart phone that are absolutely inexplicable to me. Even that damn than/then thing, which, by itself, has nothing to do with posting from the smart phone. It's as if my brain has two separate compartments for both.

Also, using spell check from my Iphone is a real hassle, at least on DU.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
156. may i share why i type in all lower case?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:31 AM
Jul 2013

an elder taught me that with all things, no one thing is above another. writing in lower case helps me to keep this perspective. although, no doubt, some have put me on ignore for this very reason.

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