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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJimmy Carter on Snowden: "He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible."
Snowden's acts may have some positive impact, former President Jimmy Carter said Friday.
"He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible, but I think the invasion of human rights and American privacy has gone too far," he told CNN's Suzanne Malveaux.
"I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive, so I think that the bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial...I think the American people deserve to know what their Congress is doing."
If another country wants to give Snowden haven, "then that is their right as a sovereign nation," he said. "If the United States can acquire custody of him, I'm sure he will be brought to trial, and that's the way the law should be implemented."
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/snowden-lawyer-offer/index.html
Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023119831
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Jimmy of course is vilified by the same people who vilified Mike Dukakis, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton.
Do I detect a pattern?
As for a conversation, that is what adults do, and Jimmy Carter, Mike Dukakis, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton are.
When the hyperbole stops, a conversation begins.
And remember, Barack Obama put safeguards in place, that the Bush administration on purpose kept out.
So, when the adults come to the table, the hyperbole can stop, the politics of the Rand Paul Jeb Bush machine can stop,
and an ADULT polite conversation can ensure.
Leaving ego and hyperbole at the door.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Some of the folks riding this Snowden bandwagon make him look worse than his actual deeds and fascination with Ron Paul ever could.
snot
(10,530 posts)Not a "pattern" I've noticed.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)"And remember, Barack Obama put safeguards in place, that the Bush administration on purpose kept out" - that does not obviate fact that this is not right endangers all.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)I always liked him, but I like him a little more every day.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Some were hoping Carter was throwing Obama under the bus and cheering on Snowden. There is a happy thread like that now.
Reading the whole article puts a totally different light on what Carter actually said.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)I'm glad Snowden revealed the illegal and unconstitutional spying by corporations with NSA's blessing on all Americans. I'm glad Snowden hasn't gone through a show trail here in the US. We all know since corporations own our judicial system, there is no way Snowden will ever get a fair trail.
But that's NOT throwing Obama under the bus. I kind of like Obama and wish he were the liberal he talked likes in his speeches but he's done a few good things and he certainly is better than any RepubliCON. So, cheering for Snowden does in no way equate in my mind with throwing Obama under the bus. Maybe it is throwing NSA corporate contractors under the bus, but not Obama.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)This was a legally authorized program.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)great potus
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Rec.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Hey dion.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You're dead to me!!11!(one)1!!
savalez
(3,517 posts)I love the " one)"!
Hilarious
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)What a matured response.....
burnodo
(2,017 posts)it's you people on the Obama Express who own the bus
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)"He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible, but I think the invasion of human rights and American privacy has gone too far," he told CNN's Suzanne Malveaux.
"I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive, so I think that the bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial."
Asked to elaborate, he said, "I think the American people deserve to know what their Congress is doing."
If another country wants to give Snowden haven, "then that is their right as a sovereign nation," he said. "If the United States can acquire custody of him, I'm sure he will be brought to trial, and that's the way the law should be implemented."
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/snowden-lawyer-offer/index.html
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)??
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Did you mean this part:
He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible
or perhaps this:
If the United States can acquire custody of him, I'm sure he will be brought to trial, and that's the way the law should be implemented.
they are both there.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)as the OP.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)That's the most balanced assessment I have come across. I really have been disappointed by the us vs. them pronouncements here. It's far more complicated than that and this wise old president states it perfectly.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Sounds like President Carter is very diplomatically telling Snowden,
[font size=3]Thank You.
If "they" catch you, they'll f**k you!
Find a Safe Place, and do your thing for transparent democracy![/font]
Always did like President Carter.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I think Carter spoke out of turn...and in the same statement in which he shows concern for human rights.
He's allowing for mitigating factors, I believe, but I don't think we need any more uninvolved public figures weighing in on who is and is not guilty of what.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)This is something that's not our place to decide, the public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong.
"The greatest fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. People will see in the media all of these disclosures. They'll know the lengths that the government is going to grant themselves powers unilaterally to create greater control over American society and global society. But they won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things to force their representatives to actually take a stand in their interests."
"And the months ahead, the years ahead it's only going to get worse until eventually there will be a time where policies will change because the only thing that restricts the activities of the surveillance state are policy. Even our agreements with other sovereign governments, we consider that to be a stipulation of policy rather then a stipulation of law. And because of that a new leader will be elected, they'll find the switch, say that 'Because of the crisis, because of the dangers we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power.' And there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."
Edward Snowden
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)What info? That we are spying on the Chinese? Which, of course, they were unaware of.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)google it, it mattered
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Simple solution. Apologize to China for spying on them."
...got to be kidding?
The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112872
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, both could apologize to all the other nations they've been spying on. And, hopefully, but doubtfully, stop spying on anyone.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)I thought he was like MLK?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Carter's view. I think Snowden is a confused hack"
Carter's views on spying and Snowden. I think Snowden is a confused hack who will say anything to promote his distortions.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Cool. See how Snowden and Carter agree about the NSA."
...I agree with Carter. Snowden lacks credibility, but I'm sure he knows he's going to be prosecuted if and when he returns to this country.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Jimmy Carter to @CNN on Snowden's disclosures: "The bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial"
Jimmy Carter to @CNN on Snowden: "I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive"
ProSense
(116,464 posts)No matter how hard you try, I'm not going to agree with Snowden, a disingenuous hack.
That's like asking if I agree with Rand Paul on drones or marriage equality.
msongs
(67,417 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"you agree that murdering innocent people is ok if obama does it cuz its legal as well"
...why you stick to one-liners: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021865841
Now, back to my point about agreeing with Rand and Snowden being a similiar adventure that I'll never take.
By Steve Benen
In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.
The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.
Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:
"...I've never argued against any technology being used when you an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."
I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.
But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2461323
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Do you agree with yourself? With this post you wrote?"
...pwned: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3122617
klebean
(284 posts)"I think the American people deserve to know what their Congress is doing."
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The measured voice of sanity and reason.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)they kinda left that part out of the other one.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The Snowden cheerleaders wont like this a bit.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
DCBob
(24,689 posts)you must have me confused with someone else.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Just the usual accusations of who and who is not a true "liberal"
frylock
(34,825 posts)you'll also note that, unlike the supporters of the surveillance state, that President Carter also believes "...that the bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial...I think the American people deserve to know what their Congress is doing."
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Revs. Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy broke the law and were arrested.
Heck, they probably arrested 50.000 of us who protested Vietnam.
Nelson Mandela spent years in prison.
Despite extreme personal risk, the courageous among us do what they gotta do to fight injustice when faced with the corruption and injustice of authority and authorities.
Snowden totally knows the consequences for what he is doing.
Honestly, I don't know the guy, he might be a total jerk for all I know, but I am grateful to him for revealing to me extensive corruption in my government.
If he was on the level, the reward for his actions will either be be a life in paranoid exile, or spending the rest of his life in a cage.
I doubt they'll allow him a book deal under the circumstances.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)He's a disingenuous hack.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Snowden knew there would be severe consequences for his actions, and apparently chose to take these actions because he believed they would be beneficial to many human beings. In this respect, he is similar to MLK and Mandela. Of course, that fact does not serve your purpose here.
He did me a personal service. I now understand that my personal electronic communications are at the disposal of the MIC, to use as they see fit, and if I, or anyone who is actually a viable candidate, tries try to run for political office against a MIC sponsored candidate, any and all of my (our) personal electronic communications, can and will be used against me (us) in order to smear me (us),
In essence, the NSA has become an instrument of domestic terrorism for the MIC.
The personal information they have at their disposal is a weapon of mass destruction for the MIC.
I"m very glad Mr. Snowden made me aware of this weapon. Now I fully understand that I can never run for political office, or I will be smeared by the MIC.
I, and everyone else except for supporters of of the MIC, such as yourself, am essentially being terrorized by the MIC.
We're all fucked, and you, apparently, could not be more pleased about this.
Snowden knew there would be severe consequences for his actions, and apparently chose to take these actions because he believed they would be beneficial to many human beings. In this respect, he is similar to MLK and Mandela. Of course, that fact does not serve your purpose here.
...Snowden is not MLK or Mandela. The comparison is ludicrous.
Fleeing the country to avoid prosecution makes Snowden a coward.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023032645
Hero? Yes!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023084246
Zorra
(27,670 posts)pursuing a course of blatant deliberate obtuseness that is transparently contrary to all fact, reason, and logic, in order to defend whatever the MIC is to you.
Do you have a Masters in Marketing, by any chance?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)I was offering my compliments of your persistence and dedication in selling whatever the MIC needs to be sold on any given day.
Seriously, do you have a Masters in Marketing?
It's not a crime, you know.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"It's not a crime, you know."
WTF?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)a daily basis, I was seriously wondering if you are educated in the field of sales and marketing.
Repeating the same things over and over makes the truth sink in, kind of catapults the propaganda, so to speak.
a daily basis, I was seriously wondering if you are educated in the field of sales and marketing.
Repeating the same things over and over makes the truth sink in, kind of catapults the propaganda, so to speak.
...suggest you spare me? Labeling other people's opinions "propaganda" appears to be an attempt to discredit people who disagree with you.
I'm reminded: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3103322
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2908803
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2604246
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2640706
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2641045
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2762452
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2762454
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2908479
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
Yup, stand 100 percent behind it.
Ever heard of the PAA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2461323
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Prosense: 'Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal.'"
... agree with myself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981692
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724
Are you sad your gotcha failed?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)motivation behind the post I am labeling. The Third Way, for instance, is a propaganda spewing tool of the 1% dedicated to neutralizing the Democratic Party in order to make it ineffective as an opposition to control of government by profit motivated wealthy private interests.
The pro-democracy posters here have no agenda other than promoting and preserving democracy.
No one is going to pay us for defending democracy from conservatives and conservative profit interests. There's no money to be made from convincing folks here that private profit seeking interests are attempting to propagandize them for profit and control. The only motivations for us are the preservation and promotion of democracy, justice, equality, and protecting the well being of human beings from the malicious private interests for whom democracy is a serious liability.
In contrast, wealthy private interests have all the money in the world to pay people to post on the internet in order to promote their profit and power interests
In assessing a post, I always ask this question:
"What is motivating this person to post this? What does this person have to gain by posting this?"
The primary motivations for action by conservatives are , power, and control. The primary motivation for action by liberals is the improvement of the human condition.
Follow the money, do the math, and the profit motivated propagandists, witting or unwitting, become transparent.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)motivation behind the post I am labeling. The Third Way, for instance, is a propaganda spewing tool of the 1% dedicated to neutralizing the Democratic Party in order to make it ineffective as an opposition to control of government by profit motivated wealthy private interests.
The pro-democracy posters here have no agenda other than promoting and preserving democracy.
...don't make me laugh....
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Since I don't make any money by posting here, I need to go tend to life's little chores.
carry on.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Lalala, desperation, lalala.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)is that it shifts like the wind to serve the interests of its purveyors.
"We have always been at war with Eurasia."
"We have always been at war with Eastasia."
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Did you forget to include the REST of what Prez. Carter tweeted to CNN? It appears you have."
...invisible? I mean, what's with all the claims that comments that are in it aren't in it?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I was admittedly a bit hasty in posting my comment, which I am deleting now.
Thanks for pointing it out. as always, I want to be fair and truthful in
my dealings.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.
Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws
He is using the example of certain Nazi laws. The Nazis occupied my country (The Netherlands) as well as many other countries. They made and enforced terrible laws here. For instance: It was illegal to hide Jews in ones home from the Nazis. But, if one hid a Jew dispite it being illegal, one saved a life: Jews that would get caught would be send to and imprisoned in camps. Mostly, of course, death camps.
savalez
(3,517 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)NSA and human rights, and then Snowden himself who broke the law.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)"I think the invasion of human rights and American privacy has gone too far" as posted upthread.
Catapult the propaganda much?
And regarding Ecuador:
Ecuador calls Congressional Snowden threats blackmail, backs out of US trade agreement
http://boingboing.net/2013/06/27/ecuador-calls-congressional-sn.html
After US powerful US members of Congress started to threaten Ecuador with trade sanctions should it offer asylum to the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Ecuador pre-emptively canceled its trade agreement with the US, backing out of the Andean Trade Preference Act. They called the US threats blackmail. ""Ecuador does not accept pressure or threats from anyone, nor does it trade with principles or submit them to mercantile interests, however important those may be." -Fernando Alvarado, communications secretary, government of Ecuador.
Your position is based upon the use of selective, cut-and-paste argument resisting the counter-argument given immediately thereafter. It also fails to include the facts about Ecuador. Why are you doing this?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Catapult the propaganda much? "
Read it again and stop trying so hard to be self-righteous.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Thanks ProSense!
moondust
(19,993 posts)Unlike most people, he has the distinct advantage of having been in a position to know firsthand what's what when it comes to national security and intelligence gathering.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)cha-ching.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to ProSense (Reply #73)
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Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)The link is in the OP.
Cha
(297,314 posts)spewing your kind of vapid insults.
Hidden Post..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3113122
Jury Results.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3113393
You have nothing interesting to say about the OP with Pres Carter so you resort to personal attacks.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)The CNN article to which the OP links frames Carter's remarks a little differently.
.
From the original link: http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/snowden-lawyer-offer/index.html
<<A day after authorities in Ecuador said they would not bow to U.S. pressure as they weigh Snowden's request for asylum, State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell denied any "bullying" tactics had been used
.
"What would not be a good thing is them granting Mr. Snowden asylum," Ventrell had said. "That would have grave difficulties for a bilateral relationship."
.
The warning sparked a strong response on Thursday from Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, at an event in Quevedo.
"It is outrageous to try to delegitimize a state for receiving a petition of asylum," said the left-leaning economist who is known for decrying what he and other Latin American leaders have called U.S. imperialism.
And on Friday, the Embassy of Ecuador announced that the country had suspended its support for the Andean Trade Promotion and Drug Eradication Act, which provided duty-free treatment for certain products. "As we have stated previously, any political or economic consequences of our decision regarding the asylum request are outweighed by our legal and humanitarian obligations," an embassy statement said...
Ecuador's rationale appeared to have won support from former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. If another country wants to give haven to Snowden, "then that is their right as a sovereign nation," he told CNN's Suzanne Malveaux. "If the United States can acquire custody of him, I'm sure he will be brought to trial, and that's the way the law should be implemented."
Snowden's acts may have some positive impact, Carter said. "He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible, but I think the invasion of human rights and American privacy has gone too far," he said. "I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive, so I think that the bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial."
Asked to elaborate, he said, "I think the American people deserve to know what their Congress is doing."...>>
Daniel Ellsberg was guilty of breaking the law, but he got a fair hearing. Is that possible now?
EOTE
(13,409 posts)that he's said?
"The invasion of human rights in American privacy has gone too far."
"The bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial"
"I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive"
I'm truly interested in seeing how you feel about these things he's said. I'll patiently await your response.
senseandsensibility
(17,066 posts)but for what it's worth, I agree with every word of Carter's statement. He is a great American and a hero of mine.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)are now in.
President Obama is always knowning what he is doing.
BTW, I love PResident Obama's tweet yesterday I gotta find the exact thing, but it was a really great, true statement.
President Obama, the #3 president of all time, will he surpass Lincoln for the second best after LBJ?
You know, it matters little.
Thank you Jimmy Carter for an adult statement.
When the hyperbole ceases, the conversations begin.
Jimmy Carter ADULT
Rand Paul, Paul Ryan the teaparty, libertarian party and republican party acting like children.
Time for adults to deal with the serious problems, bipartisian, and work together, with some compromise, to achieve
forward movement. And to cut the absolute faux hyperbole.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)gettin' a little slower in your old age? Normally you'd have that tit-for-tat response ready within minutes!
"Catherina's thread - 12:56.....this thread - 1:35"
Wow, two different threads with different times.
Thanks for pointing that out.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)not surprising, but still...
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Understandable.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)you're the one who keeps on talking about Snowden
"desperate about what? you're the one who keeps on talking about Snowden"
...I don't know. (wink-wink)
burnodo
(2,017 posts)You haven't explained yourself
ProSense
(116,464 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)I already did that
railsback
(1,881 posts)of course understands this. Too bad so many here don't.
Number23
(24,544 posts)SHOCKINGLY, it hasn't!!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)So many delicious swiftboat threads to rec up, who's got time for the truth?