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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHat tip to Obama Admin for ending bulk NSA email collecting
I don't know what credit is or is not due, but we collected up everybody's emails 2001-2011, so Bush did it for almost his entire presidency and Obama for only the beginning of his, and the program was already there when he took office.
I really don't know whether the program was stopped for civil liberties reasons, or just wasn't working, or the computer broke, or whatever. Somebody tripped over the plug.
But it ended, either way.
But the Guardian headline that Obama spied on every email for two years is kind of silly, given the time-line.
I would have said US GOVERNMENT collected all emails for TEN YEARS if I was writing the headline.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And outrage generates eyeballs.
And eyeballs generate money.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)K/R
think
(11,641 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"But the Guardian headline that Obama spied on every email for two years is kind of silly, given the time-line.
I would have said US GOVERNMENT collected all emails for TEN YEARS if I was writing the headline."
...the entire piece is misleading. Sometimes it seems like Greenwald is trying to absolve Bush or create the impression that Obama is no different from Bush.
His latest piece is repackaging and conflating already reported claims to give the impression that there is something new here. He added a new document, but all it does is confirm what we already know.
Fisa court renewed collection order every 90 days
Current NSA programs still mine US internet metadata
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The documents indicate that under the program, launched in 2001, a federal judge sitting on the secret surveillance panel called the Fisa court would approve a bulk collection order for internet metadata "every 90 days". A senior administration official confirmed the program, stating that it ended in 2011.
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Eventually, the NSA gained authority to "analyze communications metadata associated with United States persons and persons believed to be in the United States", according to a 2007 Justice Department memo, which is marked secret.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama
The 90-day order was reported initially. The news that the program ended would make the initial claim that it was ongoing false.
Mentioning the memo, which actually shows that the procedures were being followed after they were put in places (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023058210 ), creates the impression that it was simply a continuation of Bush's illegal data collection.
Conflating the metadata program with Stellar Wind, Bush's illegal eavesdropping program, is curious.
Remember whistleblower Thomas Tamm?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023032225
In addition to eavesdropping on Americans, the Bush admistration was collecting metadata illegally. Bush-Cheney had utter disregard for the law.
http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print
Here's How the NSA Decides Who It Can Spy On
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023060180
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)towards a proportionate system.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)KnR for expressing it.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)that it has ended. Why SHOULD we believe that? (and I continue to be an Obama supporter, before any jump down my throat-- but that doesn't mean I will be a sycophant with blinders on).
midnight
(26,624 posts)proportionally spying with only one of Bushes formerly two tier systems we will know for sure...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Mission Accomplished? Im starting to believe that this whole scandal exercise is to accomplish exactly what you said:
IOW, I distrust the government; but support the man. Isnt that exactly the thought process that paves the way for the rise of the Great Dictator.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...programs were stopped, not because they were determined to be overreaching in some way, but because a new program came along with better capabilities. So, for instance, yes, X program ended, but it was because Y program took over for it.
PB
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)How the NSA is still harvesting your online data
Files show vast scale of current NSA metadata programs, with one stream alone celebrating 'one trillion records processed'
Shawn Turner, the Obama administration's director of communications for National Intelligence, told the Guardian that "the internet metadata collection program authorized by the Fisa court was discontinued in 2011 for operational and resource reasons and has not been restarted."
But the documents indicate that the amount of internet metadata harvested, viewed, processed and overseen by the Special Source Operations (SSO) directorate inside the NSA is extensive.
While there is no reference to any specific program currently collecting purely domestic internet metadata in bulk, it is clear that the agency collects and analyzes significant amounts of data from US communications systems in the course of monitoring foreign targets.
On December 26 2012, SSO announced what it described as a new capability to allow it to collect far more internet traffic and data than ever before. With this new system, the NSA is able to direct more than half of the internet traffic it intercepts from its collection points into its own repositories. One end of the communications collected are inside the United States.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Thank you for providing the rest of the story and not just picking and choosing the parts that you like. LOL
Ter
(4,281 posts)n/t
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Remarkable guy.