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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:53 AM Jun 2013

Is SCOTUS going to drop a stink bomb on H8 & DOMA and flee town?

Or could they punt them back to a lower court, or as I guess say that the petitioners in the Prop 8 case have no standing and therefore refuse to rule on constitutionality?

Are they going to deny equal rights for some and then flee the building in unmarked cars tomorrow or Thursday?

Why the procrastination?

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Is SCOTUS going to drop a stink bomb on H8 & DOMA and flee town? (Original Post) NightWatcher Jun 2013 OP
Prediction: Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #1
i dont think Kagan will uphold La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #2
a ruling on standing would actually make the original federal decision stand dsc Jun 2013 #3
What is current status on Prop 8? longship Jun 2013 #5
ca scotus upheld prop 8 dsc Jun 2013 #6
Agree on Prop 8 and punting on standing. Disagree on DOMA. Kennedy will write it, strike it down. morningfog Jun 2013 #4
It was argued later. They release opinions much in the order they hear them. morningfog Jun 2013 #7
 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
1. Prediction:
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jun 2013

They reject the H8 case for lack of standing, let California's SC decision stand.

They vote to uphold DOMA 6-3: Roberts, Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Kagan. I wouldn't have included Kennedy but SCOTUSBlog predicts he's writing the opinion so he's going to vote to uphold with the rest.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
3. a ruling on standing would actually make the original federal decision stand
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:03 AM
Jun 2013

not the cali supreme court. I also don't think Kennedy will uphold DOMA under any circumstances nor do I think Kagan would either.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. What is current status on Prop 8?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jun 2013

I remember that CA supremes struck it down but cannot remember if that was upheld or reversed on appeal.

Thanks.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
6. ca scotus upheld prop 8
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jun 2013

the federal district court struck it down with a very broad decision, which was narrowed considerably by the appellate court. The district court held that the law didn't even survive a rational basis test and was unconstitutional. The appellate court held that since california had domestic partnerships with all the rights the withholding of the word marriage was unconstitutional.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. Agree on Prop 8 and punting on standing. Disagree on DOMA. Kennedy will write it, strike it down.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jun 2013

The question whether they use heightened or strict scrutiny. It will fail either test, even a rational basis. DOMA ends tomorrow.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
7. It was argued later. They release opinions much in the order they hear them.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jun 2013

The vote was taken and the opinion has been drafted. They are putting together final edits and want to release the two at the same time.

I think they will decline to rule on Prop 8 for standing to challenge. That will leave marriage equality in California. And there is a legitimate issue with standing in that case. Since Roberts is likely the writer for the Prop 8 case, and since he focused most of his questions on standing, I think it will be decided on that alone.

The DOMA case will be written by Kennedy. I expect an opinion very similar to his opinion in Romer v. Evans. He will find it unconstitutional on probably a heightened scrutiny. He won't likely go far enough to say sexual orientation is a suspect classification, but under any analysis there is no legitimate state interest. The oral arguments removed any doubt that there is a legitimate interest in DOMA.

It will be a good day tomorrow. Unlike today.

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