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avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:04 PM Jun 2013

Glenn Greenwald Explodes At ‘Servants To Power’ In Media: They’re ‘Defending The Royal Court’

The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald expanded his feud with Meet the Press host David Gregory to include CNBC analyst Andrew Ross Sorkin in an interview with The Washington Post’s Erik Wemple on Monday. In that interview, Greenwald lashed out at the NBC News personalities for suggesting he should be imprisoned for his work with National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden. Greenwald attacked much of the political media which he said has evolved into “servants to power” rather than watchdogs.

“It is true that The Guardian generally, and me in particular, are outsiders, not members of the Beltway establishment media clique,” Greenwald told Wemple.

Greenwald attacked Sorkin in particular who, on Monday, said that he would “almost arrest” The Guardian reporter for appearing to want to facilitate Snowden’s request for political asylum.

“I’ve purposely made myself an outsider by very aggressively and harshly criticizing not just the culture itself but the most prominent members of it, including David Gregory and Andrew Ross Sorkin, who this morning suggested on CNBC that I be arrested,” Greenwald said.
He said that members of the media who are attacking him are exhibiting “personal bitterness” and “resentment” over his ability to reject and breach conventions that maintain the working relationship between the press and the political establishment.


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-greenwald-explodes-at-servants-to-power-in-media-theyre-defending-the-royal-court/

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Glenn Greenwald Explodes At ‘Servants To Power’ In Media: They’re ‘Defending The Royal Court’ (Original Post) avaistheone1 Jun 2013 OP
A bit touchy there, Glenn. randome Jun 2013 #1
Journalists shouldn't be friends with the people they cover. Octafish Jun 2013 #4
Dave Gregory looks so happy there. Demit Jun 2013 #7
Did I ever tell you three things you should know about Corporate McPravda, Demit? Octafish Jun 2013 #50
Lock, stock, and barrel. Demit Jun 2013 #52
It's called ''Professional Liar'' by susan m hinckley. Octafish Jun 2013 #53
Had to laugh -- you think Gregory and Sorkin don't have an agenda? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #9
I wouldn't worry about Random too much. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #29
I think journalists should be objective Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #21
Journalists need to be factual. They can have a point of view. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #30
Those who deny a point of view are, in fact, expressing one - leveymg Jun 2013 #51
Like Howard Kurtz? theaocp Jun 2013 #55
Wow, I have noticed all your comments are inane! Civilization2 Jun 2013 #33
those inside the beltway only care about taking correct dictation from their bosses yurbud Jun 2013 #43
Could you name a few 'journalists'? We've been looking for them for years sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46
the otter defense arely staircase Jun 2013 #61
Somewhere in Purgatory railsback Jun 2013 #2
Snowden and his ex-girlfriend Lindsay Mills are having the same epiphany. randome Jun 2013 #3
ROFL! railsback Jun 2013 #8
Ayn Randome? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #31
Seems accurate to me. Marr Jun 2013 #5
This "scandal" has shown the light on all the beltway The Second Stone Jun 2013 #59
Greenwald stood up to Bush and Cheney, too. Octafish Jun 2013 #6
And he stoop up for people like Matthew Hale! MattFromKY Jun 2013 #10
Do you think he agrees with Hale's ideology or Hale's right to speak? Octafish Jun 2013 #13
I've always believed that death threats are not covered under the 1st Amendment. MattFromKY Jun 2013 #15
Yeah, I heard he is a card carrying member of the ACLU as well! mhatrw Jun 2013 #20
The Citizens United defenders? THAT ACLU? Or some other group parading around for money? nt MattFromKY Jun 2013 #25
You're not fond of Liberals?? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49
Um--he took on a trademark case for Mr. Hale. Trademark--long before any msanthrope Jun 2013 #22
Sounds as if you confused the idea of free speech dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #16
And Greenwald had a perfect right to defend him. MattFromKY Jun 2013 #17
just like i have the right to muse that yet another n00b is on the wrong side.. frylock Jun 2013 #34
Trademark. Tell me what 'free speech' principles were involved in msanthrope Jun 2013 #23
he also illegally recorded a conversation in that case. Whisp Jun 2013 #19
It should be protected. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #32
Here we go AGAIN with the old, long ago debunked smear. To save you time since you're new, we know sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47
If the shoe fits... Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #11
Greenwald is going to be on Chris Hayes tonight. nt octoberlib Jun 2013 #12
Good for him. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #14
Glenn is a "Contitutional Lawyer" TOO! It's good to see the "Counterpoint" KoKo Jun 2013 #18
Really? Could you kindly tell me where he is currently licensed to practice? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #24
Greenwald amassed a fortune working for a law firm that specialized in mergers/acquisitions. MattFromKY Jun 2013 #27
He lives in Brazil because of bigoted US immigration laws. So aren't you showing your hand? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #35
Pointing out that someone lives in Brazil is being homophobic now? MattFromKY Jun 2013 #37
Welcome to DU. Where they live is part of this story? Then help us out, where does sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #48
Oh thank you for being with us General Nuisance warrprayer Jun 2013 #26
I completely agree with Glen on this one. iemitsu Jun 2013 #28
Don't they know that Glenn Greenwald once defended Matthew Hale? dgauss Jun 2013 #36
Oh my, did he really say, "They’re ‘Defending The Royal Court'" Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #38
Already Taken Hydra Jun 2013 #40
Ouch. The Link Jun 2013 #42
T/Y Hydra Jun 2013 #44
Our M$M today is whacked, especially the way they suck up to the establishment, losers (n/t) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #39
I am withholding judgement until I hear from Cokie Roberts and how the cocktail party went. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #41
Soooo very prudent on your part. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #45
Good for him, and not before time. sibelian Jun 2013 #54
I have't had a tv service Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #56
He isn't wrong LittleBlue Jun 2013 #57
Having followed the H-1b visa issue,I think he's right markiv Jun 2013 #58
"Explodes" is loaded language senseandsensibility Jun 2013 #60
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. A bit touchy there, Glenn.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jun 2013

But he's always had an adversarial relationship with other journalists. He seems to find it difficult making friends.

And yes, Sorkin is right. Greenwald, as a journalist, should only care about being 'correct'. Instead, he wants to be 'right'. That makes everything about him suspect because he has an agenda.

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[font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font]
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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
50. Did I ever tell you three things you should know about Corporate McPravda, Demit?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:44 AM
Jun 2013


[font size=1"]Professional Liar by susan m hinckley.[/font size]

The official voice of the Republikkkon Party also seems the official voice of Big Media:

ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

The other thing the great Carl Bernstein reported should've got him another Pulitzer:

The CIA and the Media

His old paper still hits a homer on occasion, most recently on how the Government has privatized Secret Government:

Top Secret America: A Hidden World.

America's mass media were virtually silent about that series, too.

And that is why our nation creeps, literally and figuratively, rightward toward the "national security state" Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. described to Charlie Rose, a story that seems to have fallen off the national consciousness PDQ.

PS: This post really has four things everyone should know about Corporate McPravda. I know you know that, Demit, but for those new to the subject, quite a shock.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
52. Lock, stock, and barrel.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:07 AM
Jun 2013

My contribution of three things to remember about the government/corporate nexus

Btw, I like that needlework illustration. Yours?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
9. Had to laugh -- you think Gregory and Sorkin don't have an agenda?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jun 2013

And 'correct' vs. 'right'? Sounds a little hairsplitty to me.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
21. I think journalists should be objective
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jun 2013

Greenwald doesn't appear to be objective. Not sure if he can be considered a journalist.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
51. Those who deny a point of view are, in fact, expressing one -
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jun 2013

most mainstream corporate journalists allow the official sources they quote to totally frame the issue, sometimes without even attributing the source and usually with no real countervailing views or context. "Journalistic objectivity" is itself a form of advocacy journalism, simply one in favor of those in authority.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
55. Like Howard Kurtz?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013

Mr. "Both side do it"? He's very "objective" now isn't he? So "objective" that faux couldn't wait to get him on their team.

 

Civilization2

(649 posts)
33. Wow, I have noticed all your comments are inane!
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jun 2013

Why do you attack all the people spreading truth? Can't handle the truth?

If the agenda you ridicule is exposing deadly secret corporate-military power grabs of peoples rights,. then that is the correct agenda of a reporter. What do you think the mandate of a journalist is??

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. Could you name a few 'journalists'? We've been looking for them for years
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:56 AM
Jun 2013

Colbert's assessment of US 'journalists' as 'stenographers' sums them up for me, like David Gregory eg, whose claim to 'journalistic' fame was to 'dance with Rove'. It was GREAT symbolism though I'm sure Gregory, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, missed it entirely. Rove otoh, probably planned it. He likes to rub the control he has over the media in THEIR and OUR faces.

Greenwald is the epitome of what a journalist should be.

I'm interested in where you have managed to find any journalists in the US media and who they are?

Wait, you're not seriously calling Gregory a journalist are you??



Sorry, seriously, who in your opinion is an actual journalist?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Snowden and his ex-girlfriend Lindsay Mills are having the same epiphany.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jun 2013


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[font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font]
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Marr

(20,317 posts)
5. Seems accurate to me.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jun 2013

There's a reason guys like Gregory get promoted in the corporate media, and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone over the age of 12. They please the people who pay them. The media figures who have been most critical of Greenwald lately are, for the most part, well-paid, long time Beltway insiders who rarely do anything but parrot the establishment's official talking points.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
59. This "scandal" has shown the light on all the beltway
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jun 2013

cockroaches. And for some reason, they don't scurry for the darkness. They scream at the small potatoes criminal Snowden and hope we are distracted enough to notice that they spy on our every move and overwhelmingly tax us, but don't tax corporations like General Electric.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Greenwald stood up to Bush and Cheney, too.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jun 2013

The guy stands up to Corporate McPravda. Thank you for the heads-up, avaistheone1.

PS: People who believe in democracy prefer Glenn Greenwald to Cass Sunstein.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002797594

 

MattFromKY

(43 posts)
10. And he stoop up for people like Matthew Hale!
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jun 2013

A white supremacist that wanted/threatened to kill a federal judge.

His defense: 'This speech should be protected.'

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. Do you think he agrees with Hale's ideology or Hale's right to speak?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jun 2013

I'd always believed, too, that in the United States, even those we don't agree with have a right to speak. I guess that's become passe.

 

MattFromKY

(43 posts)
15. I've always believed that death threats are not covered under the 1st Amendment.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

And the fact that he offered his services for free says a lot about the man I'm supposed to trust reporting on my government.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. Um--he took on a trademark case for Mr. Hale. Trademark--long before any
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jun 2013

'First Amendment' case.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. Sounds as if you confused the idea of free speech
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jun 2013

with the person who spoke it.
Hale had a perfect right to say what he wanted to say.
And he had a perfect right to experience any negative consequences of saying it.
Don't confuse the two.

 

MattFromKY

(43 posts)
17. And Greenwald had a perfect right to defend him.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jun 2013

Just like I have a perfect right to say someone that defends such a person is full of shit and not to be trusted.

Not to mention illegally recording conversations with witnesses.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
34. just like i have the right to muse that yet another n00b is on the wrong side..
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jun 2013

of history. I hope you don't enjoy your stay.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
23. Trademark. Tell me what 'free speech' principles were involved in
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

the original representation of Mr. Hale?????

Since it was a trademark case, kindly tell us? It was only after Mr. Hale had lost the trademark case, and was being sued under anti-Klan statutes for his participation in a killing spree that any 'First Amendment' representation was talked about.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. Here we go AGAIN with the old, long ago debunked smear. To save you time since you're new, we know
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:10 AM
Jun 2013

the facts of that story, due to the fact that people here are far too smart and way too well informed to be fooled by a smear like that.

This deliberately disingenuous attempt at a smear has been dredged up by the usual suspects so many times and debunked so effectively, with something you might want to familiarize yourself with, 'FACTS', that it is laughable to see it here yet again. Some people are just gluttons for punishment.

Let me know if you want the FACTS surrounding that garbage.

What's even funnier seeing this tried over and over again, is that Greenwald's record is so pristine, this is the ONLY thing their 'opposition researchers' could come up with in nearly EIGHT years of attacks. And it is so easy to debunk at that.

I hope they didn't pay HB Gary too much for that failure of a smear tactic.

WELCOME to DU. Stick around, you'll learn a few things, like how not to discredit yourself by spreading old right wing propaganda. Yes, this old garbage was first introduced when Greenwald was going after Bush.

Iow, it's the equivalent of an old, discarded rag, picked up and used over and over again, deteriorating more each time it is used .... They need some new rags. But I guess they couldn't find any.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
18. Glenn is a "Contitutional Lawyer" TOO! It's good to see the "Counterpoint"
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jun 2013

going on. It's the NEW WORLD...and it's the REAL CHANGE WORLD!

It's all Morphing under us........

It's not comfortable...but, it has to happen.

 

MattFromKY

(43 posts)
27. Greenwald amassed a fortune working for a law firm that specialized in mergers/acquisitions.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

JPMorgan, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and Larry Silverstein... all clients of Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.

He still enjoys the fruits of his labor, relaxing on an enormous estate in Brazil. It's on a hill that overlooks the poorest parts of the country.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
35. He lives in Brazil because of bigoted US immigration laws. So aren't you showing your hand?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jun 2013

Hard for you centrists to keep the anti gay bullshit in check.

 

MattFromKY

(43 posts)
37. Pointing out that someone lives in Brazil is being homophobic now?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jun 2013

Wow, a lot of people are going off the deep end trying to defend this man.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. Welcome to DU. Where they live is part of this story? Then help us out, where does
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:20 AM
Jun 2013

does David Gregory live? How about Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Russert's son, another excuse for a 'journalist', where does he live? How about the rest of the 'backwash' we call 'news reporters?? All living like kings, aren't they, but unlike Greenwald they are living here because there are no laws taking away their Civil Rights, as is the case with him.

Our propagandists do very well for themselves for serving their Corporate Bosses.

I see you are focused like a laser beam on what is important here. However, to be honest, I don't give a rats ass where any of them live.

But you haven't weighed in what apparently you are working hard to distract from, on the massive surveillance program our government is conducting on Americans.

How do you like living in a country that spies on its own people?

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
28. I completely agree with Glen on this one.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Greenwald "said that members of the media who are attacking him are exhibiting “personal bitterness” and “resentment” over his ability to reject and breach conventions that maintain the working relationship between the press and the political establishment.".
Its like closet gays bitterly denouncing those who embrace the queer life.
To get and keep their positions, network pundits make Faustian deals and they forever look with envy at those, who haven't. To justify their own lack of character, or simply to feel better about themselves, they will try to destroy anyone who is free from the compromises they have made.

dgauss

(882 posts)
36. Don't they know that Glenn Greenwald once defended Matthew Hale?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe if they knew that, they would understand what the real travesty is here and would be o.k. with being spied on.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
38. Oh my, did he really say, "They’re ‘Defending The Royal Court'"
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jun 2013

And Greenwald is trying out for Court Jester!!!!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
40. Already Taken
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jun 2013


He does an excellent job at it, most days.

Greenwald is the guy who has the anger of the Court for not keeping silent.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
54. Good for him, and not before time.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

If journalists in the my country behaved like US journalists nobody would read any of the papers!

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
56. I have't had a tv service
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jun 2013

For a coupleof years now but I recently stayed a few days in a hotel room that had one. Having no idea what the MSM coverage had been I was sickened at the absolute echo chamber of condemnation. It's like they've been given their marching ordeirs. I can't t help but remember when Cheney and Novak outted Valerie Plame and absolutely hardly a word from the press.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
57. He isn't wrong
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jun 2013

The knee-jerk circling of the wagons by the media is shocking. They are supposed to be independent, but act as mere tools for administration policy.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
58. Having followed the H-1b visa issue,I think he's right
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jun 2013

it's amazing, whenever they want to shove more H-1b worker replacements down our throat, the sycophants in the mainstream media push out the 'skilled worker shortage' propaganda like clockwork, wall to wall across the country

I KNOW they do this, so yea, when someone accuses them of doing the same on another issue, I'm inclined to believe it, even though I'm supposed to 'forget' how they acted on another issue

senseandsensibility

(17,043 posts)
60. "Explodes" is loaded language
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:19 PM
Jun 2013

It sounds to me like he stated a strong opinion against some powerful figures in beltway journalism.

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