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William769

(55,147 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:23 PM Jun 2013

When A Gay Holy Place Burned In New Orleans

How many times in the past 40 years have you heard about the Upstairs Lounge fire in New Orleans? Sadly, probably not many, and certainly not enough. Even though 32 people died, making it the largest mass murder of gay people in American history, this incident is woefully unknown. So, for your edification (or as a refresher), here's what happened: On Sunday, June 24th, 1973, only four years after the Stonewall Rebellion, about 60 people were at a gay bar and meeting space called the Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans's French Quarter.

At around 8 p.m., they heard the bell ring, someone opened the door and fire engulfed the room. Twenty-nine died at the scene. Three died later, at local hospitals.

News reports at the time either didn't mention that the Upstairs Lounge was a gay establishment or alluded to the fact that justice was a futile, fruitless pursuit. And newspapers sensationalized rather than humanized the deaths. Erik Ose paraphrases, "…The States-Item, New Orleans's afternoon paper, described 'bodies stacked up like pancakes,' and that 'in one corner, workers stood knee deep in bodies...the heat had been so intense, many were cooked together.' Other reports spoke of 'mass charred flesh' and victims who were ''iterally cooked.'"

As Ose also notes, the tragedy spawned a hideous joke: "What will they bury the ashes of queers in? Fruit jars." No one at the time, and very few today, mentioned that in addition to being a bar, Upstairs Lounge had hosted Sunday services for the Metropolitan Community Church, the first LGBT-inclusive church in the nation.

Two other MCC churches were torched in the weeks directly preceding the Upstairs arson. In Los Angeles, where it was founded, the church was targeted in January of 1973, five days after Roe v. Wade was decided, and again in April, which destroyed it. Another church, this time in San Francisco, was destroyed in July, after the New Orleans fire killed 32 people, including MCC Reverend Bill Larson.

http://www.out.com/entertainment/popnography/2013/06/24/when-gay-holy-place-burned-new-orleans

In remembrance of those who lost their lives.

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When A Gay Holy Place Burned In New Orleans (Original Post) William769 Jun 2013 OP
. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #1
Thanks for posting this, Will. sibelian Jun 2013 #2
This part made me very sad: "Homophobia being what it was, several families declined ... CurtEastPoint Jun 2013 #3
Yes very sad. William769 Jun 2013 #8
When I lived there, I had never heard of this event. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #4
I don't remember your post about it. William769 Jun 2013 #7
I double checked and it isn't in LGBT. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #11
I just got back from Miami today William769 Jun 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #18
(sorry for the deleted post, thought I was in LGBT) Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #19
Me neither. KamaAina Jun 2013 #34
horrifying, thank you for sharing this geek tragedy Jun 2013 #5
I almost did not post this William769 Jun 2013 #10
reminds me of the 16th Street Baptist church bombing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #15
Another horrific event. William769 Jun 2013 #17
Wow I never heard of this incident its sad on a very large scale Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #6
I had never heard of it until an episode of Ghosthunters Marrah_G Jun 2013 #9
Same here! Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #12
Terribly sad! I hate, hate!! one_voice Jun 2013 #13
Your one of the good one's. William769 Jun 2013 #20
That she is!!!! Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #22
Thank you for posting this. TDale313 Jun 2013 #14
An overt act of terrorism. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2013 #21
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #23
Thank you, William! Sissyk Jun 2013 #24
The Times-Picayune did a series this weekend MountainLaurel Jun 2013 #25
I remember the news of the fire and the tragic deaths. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #26
Thank you for posting azurnoir Jun 2013 #27
Thanks, William769! Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2013 #28
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #29
k/r marmar Jun 2013 #30
A picture from my last trip to New Orleans Major Nikon Jun 2013 #31
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #32
I've got something in my eye shenmue Jun 2013 #33
I lived there at the time. There was another fire about a year prior. nolabear Jun 2013 #35
K and R bigwillq Jun 2013 #36
It's amazing that the police let someone get away with murder.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #37
Whats really sad is there are still many places like that today. William769 Jun 2013 #38
It used to be that way in the Old West for "Injuns" and "Chinamen",...and the Irish. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #39
Thank you for posting. Murder it was... Raster Jun 2013 #40

CurtEastPoint

(18,645 posts)
3. This part made me very sad: "Homophobia being what it was, several families declined ...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jun 2013

... to claim the bodies and one church after another refused to bury or memorialize the dead. Three victims were never identified or claimed, and were interred at the local potter’s field.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
4. When I lived there, I had never heard of this event.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jun 2013

It was after we left, I found out about it by watching...well...Ghost Hunters! I looked it up and read all kinds of things. I think when I heard about it, I even posted about it in the LGBT group.

William769

(55,147 posts)
7. I don't remember your post about it.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jun 2013

This happened when I was only 10 but I had a good friend that was (lets just say a older gentleman) that told me about this when I was 22. I have never forgotten the horror stories he told me of this massacre.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
11. I double checked and it isn't in LGBT.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jun 2013

I am certain I posted about on DU because I was so surprised I hadn't heard of it and was curious if others had. This was over a year (or more ago). Given that I also went on TWO gay tours while in New Orleans, I was even more surprised when I heard about it watching a ghost hunters show whilst sitting in my living room in NE OK.

ETA: I just found a thread by Rowdyboy, dated the same date as today...from last year!

William769

(55,147 posts)
16. I just got back from Miami today
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jun 2013

Seeing old friends this was one of the topics of conversation and since this is the anniversary (not the good kind), I decided to post this.

It was one of those reunions where the crowd keeps dwindling.

Response to William769 (Reply #16)

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
19. (sorry for the deleted post, thought I was in LGBT)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

I know it is hard though to go to reunions like that and seeing that the "gang" isn't all there. I have very few friends by choice, so it is very important to keep them close.

William769

(55,147 posts)
10. I almost did not post this
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:52 PM
Jun 2013

But decided that the more people know about it the less likely it is to ever happen again.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
24. Thank you, William!
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jun 2013

I have not heard this horrendous story before. Thanks for bringing it to DU so we learn and do not forget.

My wish in life is that hate like this dies.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
26. I remember the news of the fire and the tragic deaths.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jun 2013

The news reports were horrendous, but I honestly don't remember any news referring to the club as a gay establishment or anything about the church. No internet in 1973. Only got the parts of the story the "news" outlets thought to be pertinent.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
27. Thank you for posting
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jun 2013

what is really disturbing is the way the NOLA police shrugged off mass murder

The police did little to followup on the incident -- chief detective Major Henry Morris shrugged to reporters, "you know this was a queer bar." -- and the public didn't seem to care.


and neither did the police apparently

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
28. Thanks, William769!
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jun 2013

I was nine when this happened and have never heard of it. Will be sharing this with others in my community.....

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
35. I lived there at the time. There was another fire about a year prior.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

It was in a high rise called The Rault Center. Five women (inc my upstairs neighbor) died. It was one of the most publicized fires ever. This one was so little cared about. I'm so very sorry. All those people. All those people. *sigh*

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
37. It's amazing that the police let someone get away with murder....
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jun 2013

I bet if you asked around at the time most people would say that society was better off with fewer gays.

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