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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou bet I'd run like Snowden!
I would run so that I could get my story out. After the first peep, I would be locked up so tight that getting anything out would be impossible.
Oh, I'm sure grabbing someone like that would be "legal" with all the Secret Squirrel laws passed.
AND after watching how Bradley Manning has been treated, I'd be gone anyway. Hopefully, I would create such a brouhaha that I couldn't be locked away like that without an uproar.
Whatever you think of him, he deserves a fair trial or is that optional too?
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)It is obvious that Bradley Manning is the model of what would happen to Snowden.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)We have a loud group of "Democrats" with very authoritarian views, who literally cheerlead for cruelty and injustice.
Some of these fucks showed zero sympathy when Aaron Schwartz committed suicide.
It's fucking vile. I'll say it again. Their desperation to smear Snowden's character exposed their own: in a state of advanced moral decomposition that creates a stench you can smell from the next time zone.
Between the character assassination, the total willingness to piss our American freedoms away (what Ben Franklin warned about) and now impugning DUers by saying that anyone supporting Snowden is a racist or a teabagger, these kinds of people have repeatedly demonstrated they're the low-life slime that I'd degrade myself by associating with.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)"Stand still and fight, you wascally wabbit!!!"
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I am more worried about him getting a drone trial.
Everyone is commenting on how damn fast the State Dept. made him a non-citizen, a process they and the UK use to set people up for droning outside of the country.
Assange and Manning are perfect examples of 2 different post whistlblower game plans.
Look at all the effort the USA took to try to influence what happened to Assange.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)I was aware that his passport was revoked.
I am not aware of his citizenship being taken away.
Do you have a source ?
Thank you in advance.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I distincltly remember reading about it in the Breaking News feed couple days ago
and now that you mention it, tis possible what I read was referrring to passport.
But that conflicts with my usually very reliable eidetic memory.
thank you for the nudge to check to this out.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Not a problem.
I think we are all guilty of that from time to time.
I try to keep my hornswoggling incidents to a minimum.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)I wondered the same thing.
He may be on the run and looking back over his shoulder, but I imagine he's looking up in the sky at the same time.
If this country can kill innocent 16-year-olds...
ashling
(25,771 posts)because they issue it based upon their rules and regs.
Citizenship is a Constitutional matter and they can't just arbitrarily ... oh yeah, never mind ...
anyway, my point is that citizenship doesn't seem to be a problem
when it comes to drones.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but...
UK and USA HAVE taken away citizenship of people they later droned.
That is why they are so careful to parse their sentences and deny extra-judicial killing of any American "citizens"
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)I hope they shoot straight.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Of course no one has any guarantees he's going to board that jet. Snowden disappeared in the big black hole of the Moscow airport and this could all be a distraction. But this is the flight he's reported to be on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/world/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-leak.html?pagewanted=3&smid=tw-nytimes&partner=rss&emc=rss
Now the US is instructing (instructing lol!) the same Latin America countries it's pissed on for decades not to harbor Edward Snowden or aid his travel. They're instructed to detain him and turn him over to US authorities. You can't make this shit up.
Edit: LMAO!
Boarding is over. Aeroflot agent says Snowden not on plane.
4:15 AM - 24 Jun 2013
Standing next to Edward Snowden's seat on flight to Cuba. He ain't here. pic.twitter.com/NVRH3Pzved
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)it would be wise to leave a false trail.
Just in case anyone would want to hurt him in any way.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)He dealt a very strong blow to the empire. It's going to be harder to conduct our industrial espionage right now to give US companies/research an unfair advantage. And much harder to blackmail foreign diplomats. Much harder to identify students around the world whose naivete can be manipulated to cause more "Springs". What he did was huge.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)a smoke screen, always was. None would follow a trail MSM has broadcast to the entire universe.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@ezraklein: How are you feeling, journalist who got on Aeroflot 150 from Moscow to Havana? NOT GREAT BOB!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)@jbarro: I don't know why everyone's so upset. I've taken literally hundreds of flights without Edward Snowden on them and I never complained.
Ha!
rpannier
(24,329 posts)on edit
Even the CATO institute was outraged at Padilla's treatment and Padilla was a US citizen
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)But that's not me.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Read up on Bradley Manning and Jose Padilla and find out how they were/are treated.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Because he will be in Ecuador.
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fasttense
(17,301 posts)We are no longer a country of laws. We are ruled by the whims of a handful of uber rich men. And those rulers hate, hate, whistle blowers because they devalue their money. Anytime someone can NOT be bought off the value of wealth declines.
Whistle blowers are enemies to the oligarchy.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)so I'm yelling "Go Edward Go!". They have made a joke of democracy.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I fear that is the case....
And they will kill him if they get the chance by any means they can....a firey car crash or out and out murder...
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)inflicted gunshot by accident ... suicide from guilt or whatever. ... object falling from sky, the list is endless.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)pigeon holed, herded like cattle, and spied on ... yet some still don't get it ... and also just don't get the potential for major abuse in the US. They try to make it/think it's just about Obama, which is stupid. They just don't get it.
More and more the US is reminding me of the totalitarian states when I was young. I find it quite frightening and it should be of a major concern by all citizens. Even congress is clueless (more than usual) as to what's going on. Presidents/politicians come and go, but this machinery carries on. It's a very very bad recipe for the future of this country. These, are the things the US was once a champion against. How is it people don't get it? ... the brainwashing is working quite well.
In the big picture Snowden was wrong, very wrong, but in the big picture what the US is doing with all of its spying without probable cause is also wrong, very wrong. This, is what totalitarian countries do!
"Whistle blowers are enemies to the oligarchy."
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)and build upon its themes, especially the notion that wealth itself has a value that can decline against other stores of value like the truth.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)If this forum was real life, or at all relevent in any way, you might be able to win some kind of award for melodrama.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I flaunt laws all the time, because they were all written by sweaty white oligarchs who want to see me dead.
I especially enjoy dumping my waste on the sidewalk in front of my house. Most of it is the byproduct of something I didn't need foisted on me by the Capitalist Overlords anyway. And let the entrenched government lackeys pick it up - they're going to pore over it in their cloistered chambers anyway, make 'em work for a living!