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This NSA spying would not have happened under a Ralph Nader Administration (Original Post) RetroLounge Jun 2013 OP
Incoming!!! Rex Jun 2013 #1
LOL! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #5
Oh shit! Prepare for all hell to break loose! But you are probably right! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #2
You couldn't resist dragging ole Ralph into this brew ha ha? flamingdem Jun 2013 #3
Sometimes a mere WTF? isn't enough. So, What the Fuck? cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #4
LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #6
There was no chance he would have been elected. But, if he had, he would have tried to Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #7
Correct. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #8
i think it's more likely he would have thrown Gore in jail JI7 Jun 2013 #9
Neither would it have happened under a Gore administration, pnwmom Jun 2013 #10
So Gore is a better Democrat than Obama? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #14
Because Bush was President and let 9/11 happen, Obama is facing a very different world pnwmom Jun 2013 #16
Lieberman doesn't support all this stuff that Bush left behind? Didn't Lieberman back Bush in sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #15
Really? The man who picked LIEberman as his VP? appal_jack Jun 2013 #19
Same can be said for Bugs Bunny Coyotl Jun 2013 #11
Uh oh burnodo Jun 2013 #12
<--- Shakes head, then fist. Realizes how funny this is. Cheers to my fried, RL! flvegan Jun 2013 #13
It is teh sly, isn't it. And your autosignature is ever more apropos. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #17
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oh this just keeps getting better and better Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #18
If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. longship Jun 2013 #20
From the old Star Trek movie, in the best Scottish accent. RetroLounge Jun 2013 #28
But of course. longship Jun 2013 #29
Soda -> keyboard Recursion Jun 2013 #21
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No because an admininstration based in an ImagiNATION Raine Jun 2013 #22
Bingo. Skidmore Jun 2013 #23
I just tried to say "President Nader" out loud riqster Jun 2013 #26
That gets a rec from me. Chan790 Jun 2013 #27

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
7. There was no chance he would have been elected. But, if he had, he would have tried to
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jun 2013

expose and stop it and probably been killed in for doing either.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
10. Neither would it have happened under a Gore administration,
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jun 2013

which Nadar helped to prevent. Nadar was open about preferring Bush, because he thought Bush's excesses would be more likely to push people in the other direction.

The Patriot act was an effort to rein in the excesses of the Bush administration, with its warrantless wiretapping. Gore wouldn't have approved of warrantless wiretapping and he most likely would have headed off 9/11. He wouldn't have ignored Richard Clarke running around with his "hair on fire."

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
16. Because Bush was President and let 9/11 happen, Obama is facing a very different world
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jun 2013

than he would have if we'd had 8 years of Gore as President.

Among other things, we wouldn't have had a completely pointless war in Iraq, which only made the situation with terrorism worse.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Lieberman doesn't support all this stuff that Bush left behind? Didn't Lieberman back Bush in
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jun 2013

the Presidential Election?

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
19. Really? The man who picked LIEberman as his VP?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

Really, pnwmom? The man who picked LIEberman as his VP would not have pursued such power?

Don't get me wrong: I think that Gore-the-citizen has been a reasonably cogent environmental voice and a decent defender of true American values. But Gore-the-politician has been anything but. He may have written "Earth In the Balance," before getting the #2 spot in the White House, but after 1992, we got NAFTA and the Salvage Logging Rider under Clinton/Gore: two terrible environmental policies that haunt us still. And how much did he do to stop the PATRIOT Act when it really mattered? Not that he was in office then, but still, he could have done much, much more.

If you have positive proof that Gore would not have sold us out to the spooks and monied interests were he in the White House, I'd like to see it. But what I'd REALLY like to see is our current Dem President (his name is Obama, remember Obama?) oppose excessive state secrecy, whistleblower crackdowns, and other unconstitutional power grabs.

Nader's record (it is spelled "Nader:" not "Nadar" or "Radar" or "Nadir" or "Gonad" for that matter), while certainly not spotless in the field of electoral politics, is much more consistently principled than Gore's or Obama's.

And, btw, a big hello to Retrolounge!



-app

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
23. Bingo.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:53 AM
Jun 2013

When Nader has run, he has never gotten out of the single digits in percentage of votes and, more often than not, has gotten less than 1% of the votes.

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