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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis NSA spying would not have happened under a Ralph Nader Administration
and Cheney and Bush would be in jail.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)expose and stop it and probably been killed in for doing either.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Because there is no NSA in make-believe land.
JI7
(89,250 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)which Nadar helped to prevent. Nadar was open about preferring Bush, because he thought Bush's excesses would be more likely to push people in the other direction.
The Patriot act was an effort to rein in the excesses of the Bush administration, with its warrantless wiretapping. Gore wouldn't have approved of warrantless wiretapping and he most likely would have headed off 9/11. He wouldn't have ignored Richard Clarke running around with his "hair on fire."
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)than he would have if we'd had 8 years of Gore as President.
Among other things, we wouldn't have had a completely pointless war in Iraq, which only made the situation with terrorism worse.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the Presidential Election?
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Really, pnwmom? The man who picked LIEberman as his VP would not have pursued such power?
Don't get me wrong: I think that Gore-the-citizen has been a reasonably cogent environmental voice and a decent defender of true American values. But Gore-the-politician has been anything but. He may have written "Earth In the Balance," before getting the #2 spot in the White House, but after 1992, we got NAFTA and the Salvage Logging Rider under Clinton/Gore: two terrible environmental policies that haunt us still. And how much did he do to stop the PATRIOT Act when it really mattered? Not that he was in office then, but still, he could have done much, much more.
If you have positive proof that Gore would not have sold us out to the spooks and monied interests were he in the White House, I'd like to see it. But what I'd REALLY like to see is our current Dem President (his name is Obama, remember Obama?) oppose excessive state secrecy, whistleblower crackdowns, and other unconstitutional power grabs.
Nader's record (it is spelled "Nader:" not "Nadar" or "Radar" or "Nadir" or "Gonad" for that matter), while certainly not spotless in the field of electoral politics, is much more consistently principled than Gore's or Obama's.
And, btw, a big hello to Retrolounge!
-app
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)and about the same probability too!
burnodo
(2,017 posts)flvegan
(64,408 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)RL
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Lots of
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)RL
longship
(40,416 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Well played.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)RL
Raine
(30,540 posts)doesn't have to deal with reality.
When Nader has run, he has never gotten out of the single digits in percentage of votes and, more often than not, has gotten less than 1% of the votes.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Damn near choked on my lunch from
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I always appreciate a good shit-stirring in GD.