What a terrible president we have

[Andy823]

So let's see know, I have read so many posts about president Obama being "Bush light, a colossal failure, only in it for the money, just like Nixon, Just like Reagan, bought and paid for, another corporate shill, etc. Seems lie people here know a different president that the on I know.

Here is a list of accomplishments so far. This is the man I know:

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

[randome]

1. Burn the witch!

People are unhappy. They look for someone to blame and they flock to the nearest available 'hero'.

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[DCBob]

2. Nice list but its not good enough for many on the left.

They want all or nothing.

[cali]

4. bullshit. and btw, we all prioritize issues differently.

[DCBob]

5. ok, perhaps a bit over the top.. but..

seems to me folks like you have a long list of "priorities" that are nearly impossible to fill given the circumstances.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Folks like you? Wow. Interesting terminology from a member of the community that

demands discrimination against minorities they don't like much. Your DC Straights refuse us even basic equality under the law, so when you claim some long list of quote marked 'priorities' I say to you how about just equal rights, Bob? Is that list shot enough for your attention span? Seems to me folks like you have a long list of 'priorities' like oppressing gay people.
What utter bullshit you spout. Equality is too much to ask?

[DCBob]

26. yeah, folks who clearly have a differenct agenda than most Democrats.

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Not sure exactly what that agenda is but its not helping the overall cause.

[Stryder]

53. " nearly impossible to fill given the circumstances."

That's not a bug, it's a feature. "Oh we'd love to do something about jobs, the economy,infrastructure... But those meanies on the other side won't let us." (either side, pick one)
What's that? Monsanto wants a BJ? Let's get to work guys. There. Done and done.
Talk about bipartisan. Or should I say bought-partisan.

[DCBob]

62. You really think dealing with the RW psychos in the House and Senate is a simple matter?

You simply don't understand the mechanics of the US government.

[davidpdx]

92. After the Michelle Obama heckling incident

I saw people on here say that unless you were for Obama signing an executive order RIGHT THIS MINUTE over ruling the ban against gays being able to get benefits for their partners you were a bigot. Yes, all or nothing.

[Harmony Blue]

16. That is not true

what the left wants is transparency and justice to prevail.

[nobodyspecial]

89. And when has that *ever* been the case in the U.S.?

Governments are just as screwed up as the people who create them/

[cali]

3. I like President Obama as a human being. I like his positions on social issues

I disagree with many of his issues on foreign policy. I don't like quite a few things his Justice Dept has done and hasn't done.

And yes, the institutions of government are enmeshed with corporations and Obama is no more immune to those forces than most politicians. Call it Institutional Analysis- look it up in Wiki.

And your list is a fine example of confirmation bias.

[Andy823]

7. Actually

The list if an example of "FACTS", something that those who continue to make the kind of comments I posted above, seem to be lacking. Yes, corporations play a huge role in things, to much if you ask me, so why is that? I think it's because money talks and way to many in congress have their pockets lined with corporate money. That money buys their votes, and they do all the can to make sure that money does not stop flowing.

The goal of the right is simple, privatize everything, take control of every branch of the government, and make this country into what they rich donors want it to be. There has to be some way to change that, right? So once again who makes the laws, who passes the bills that become laws, and WHO can change those laws?

I disagree with a lot of things the president does also, but I don't throw him under the bus and lay all the blame on him when something goes wrong. He can only do so much, congress has to help, and we all know how well that has been going since the teapublicans took over the House.

Mys post is about all the things this man has accomplished in the last few years, and how those who say he is a "failure" on any level are simply dead wrong, and should be called out by anyone who knows just how much this man has done for this country. The list is not bias, it's simply facts, something we should all try and strive to get before we jump to conclusions on issues.

[cali]

11. You don't know what confirmation bias is, do you?

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.

And if you think that the President hasn't been influenced by corporate power, how do you explain this?

The Environmental Protection Agency is obliged under the Clean Water Act to monitor America’s waterways and shield them from the toxic runoff from factory farms. But the growth of that industry, and its courtroom tenacity, has far outstripped the E.P.A.’s efforts to restrict runoff from manure lagoons and feedlots.

Last year, the agency meekly withdrew two proposed rules. One would have gathered basic information from all factory farms. The other proposed rule would have expanded the number of such farms required to have a national pollution discharge permit. Fewer than 60 percent do now.

Then, last week, in yet another retreat, the agency announced that promised new regulations governing feedlot discharges nationally would not be forthcoming.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/15/opinion/the-epa-backs-off-on-factory-farms.html?_r=0

or this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-usa-epa-fracking-idUSBRE95J1AN20130620

How do you explain not one banking prosecution? Holder actually said they were too big to prosecute.

[Andy823]

54. Well

My list was an actual list of his accomplishments, which proved my point that he is not what so many are saying he is, a failure, Bush light, etc. They are plain and simple "facts"! Do you believe those who are posting all the trash about him? Do you think he is a failure, Bush light, etc.? I simply showed proof of my claim that these people are saying such things are full of crap! Proof is not bias in any form as far as I am concerned.

I also stated that there are things I do not agree with him on. I think there should be a lot of bankers and wall street people in jail right, so we agree on that one.

I don't know all the details on the other two so can't really say anything about them. Was it all the presidents fault they happened or was it the agencies management that made the decisions? I don't know do you?

[Auntie Bush]

27. +100

[hfojvt]

60. facts?

Here's #6 on that list of Obama's "accomplishments"

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/18/news/economy/obama_debt_commission/index.htm

Well, yes, that IS a fact, but is it really what we were hoping for when we supported him, that he would create the Catfood Commission?

If his detractors were gonna make a list of his betrayals, that act would probably be in the top 5 (or it should) and yet this is given in a list of his "accomplishments".

Like I said, it seems like Obama can take a dump on people's dinner plates and some will lap it up like it is chocolate pudding.

Yummy, the Catfood Commission. Maye we have more, sir?

[Andy823]

87. Well if you can only find one thing to complain about

Thats not so bad. As for the comment about the dump on a dinner plate, pretty lame if you ask me.

[hfojvt]

91. that is not the only item

it's not like I am gonna spend hours going through that line by line.

But just the fact that crap like that is included from a place called "please cut the crap"

These also look like crap to me

159. Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , cut taxes for 95% of America's working families. http://bit.ly/eSEI4F

160. Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950. http://bit.ly/f74pD8

161. Extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years. http://bit.ly/eFeSdP


Might as well include "changed Democratic tax policy into Republican tax policy"

Because the Republican message used to be "tax cuts = good"

and now the Democratic message is now "we agree with Republicans about taxes".

Sure, extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax.

Gee, another serving of chocolate pudding. Who benefits from that again? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022062010

"From 2009, the top 20% got a whopping 92.6% of the benefits from the AMT patch. The top 5% got 43% of the benefits."

Yeah, Obama is a great President if you happen to be part of the top 20%.

Unfortunately something like 80% of Americans are not part of that group.

I doubt if that is the only parts of that list that are propaganda for crap. Maybe that site should be called "please EAT the crap"

[Logical]

6. He has been a huge disappointment. I expected much more. He is 1000 times better than Romney. But...

not taxing on the rich, embracing the Bush patriot act. Trying to work with the GOP long after it made him look gullible as hell. Etc.

[MjolnirTime]

10. You hated him from the start. What has changed?

You pretend like you came to this conclusion against your will.

You love to hate him. Face it.

[Logical]

12. Fuck off. You know nothing about what I did to get Obama elected in 2008 and 2012. And in 2012 I....

was not thrilled with him.

Provide links where I say I hated Obama.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. ***

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:06 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: He has a right to defend himself against such crap as what was posted to him. sorry, Alerter if the other post has been a jury and it is hidden but, I am tired of offensive accusers getting a free pass around here. Give defense a chance.
tit begats tat. Don't want tat? Then don't tit. LEAVE IT ALONE and fuck the dumb.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Despite the F-word, I am voting to leave it alone. Actually, the prior post was against the DU rules. Eye for an eye?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: I have a zero tolerance for rudeness, and DU3 should have as well - like DU2 did.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

[Logical]

21. Thanks Tuesday. I appreciate knowing the results! n-t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. yw. Some people think it is better to send this via PM. I tend to disagree due to the transparency

angle that DU3 was modeled. I do not post all my juries, of course but, thought this one would provide good feed back to all concerned.

Sorry to interrupt.

Carry On ...

[BlueCaliDem]

32. Yes. It's a good thing now to be able to tell a fellow DUer to fuck off

whenever they feel like it, and unprovoked, too. Does wonders for the civility around here. How proud you must be.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

36. I was not the only one on that jury and Did I say which Juror I was? No. Peace Out.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. I never claimed it, but it isn't hard to know which side you voted on.

Just looking at the fact that you copied and pasted the results in a post for all to see tells even those with Teapublican IQ who you were rooting for, and it sends a message that it's a-okay to tell another DUer to FUCK OFF just because you would want to.

Sad.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. Yes, would be a sad day when a charge of HATRED is allowed to stand with no RECOURSE. --

and all anyone would have to do is hit read post even if it had been hidden. the truth is only a click away. sill rabbit tricks are for kids.

DEUCES, BABY.

[BlueCaliDem]

42. You've totally missed the point I was making. I'm not surprised.

I wonder if it's a-okay in your household to tell your father or mother, or your employer, to FUCK OFF when you disagree with them? If so, that's horribly sad and dysfunctional. If not, why do you condone it being done against a fellow DUer in a public forum?

And the added punishment for having a post hidden is to lose your eligibility to vote on other posts. Those be the facts, silly wabbit.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. mother, father, employer ??? oh my !!!!

[BlueCaliDem]

45. Yeah. Rational thought is funny to you.

I get it. You lost the discussion, and you know it, but it's all good.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

47. there was nothing to lose by watching you and your ilk make unfounded accusations.

twisting in the wind is what you do best. now, truly CIAO BABY.

and looks like the jury agreed. Hate it for you.

[bahrbearian]

58. Right On

[BlueCaliDem]

64. When there's written and documented proof, you believe that makes it

unfounded??

What world do you live in? Teabakistan?

[Lizzie Poppet]

46. It is when they pull that bullshit amateur psychoanalysis call-out crap.

"Fuck off" is a mild response to shit like that...

"Unprovoked?" On what fucking planet is being told (with fuck-all in the way of legitimate grounds to do so) that you hate Obama not a blatant provocation?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. and this person kicked the thread in order to throw out more insults. hours later.

[BlueCaliDem]

70. Then that inarticulate poster should have merely written,

"FUCK THAT OPINION". Instead, he chose to make it personal, and there's no defending that no matter how hard you try {and I know that you're trying really, really, REALLY hard - but, no sale}.

I really believe the Administrators should rename this place: the AU= the Anti-Obama Underground. It's more befitting the cadre of single-issue-obsessed posters these days than Democratic Underground. All I see is in influx of posters who are undermining both the Democratic Party as well as that first Black Democratic President to the point that they'll turn a blind-eye to posters launching personal attacks on Obama supporters, and that's not the mission of DU. At least, that's not what I understood about DU.

[Lizzie Poppet]

76. It was already personal.

Being told you hate the president is "making it personal." It's an insulting, slanderous personal attack, reeking of bullshit amateur psychoanalysis, and "fuck off" is a perfectly legitimate response to that crap.

Deal with it.

[MineralMan]

56. Sometimes a "fuck off" reply stands and sometimes it gets hidden.

There's an inconsistency there that depends on which particular DUers get called to a jury. Since none of us know who's on any jury or how they voted, unless they tell us, Skinner's words ring true: "You take your chances."

[Lizzie Poppet]

77. Has a lot to do with what provoked it, IMO.

If there's a whole bunch of provocation (as in this case...), I think juries are more likely to let a "fuck off" stand. I'm okay with that.

[uppityperson]

50. Thanks for letting us know "fo" is acceptable to jurors. IMO, it is an added rudeness that

contributes nothing but nastiness and his post would've still been good without it. He has the right to defend himself but "FO" isn't needed. For jurors that say "oh, other posts aren't hidden", let me explain a simple thing. One post has to be the first to be hidden. If no one will hide a post until another is first, nothing will ever be hidden.

[Number23]

75. Good post. Nicely said.

The jury system is a joke and has been for a long time.

[BlueCaliDem]

39. And yet they'll claim, high and low, that they are a true Obama supporter.

Their posts don't reveal that in the least, yet they think by claiming such a bald-face lie, it gives them immunity against attacks by people who actually did and do support him.

[bahrbearian]

59. LOL the self loathing Racists want their Votes Back.

We voted for Obama for Hope and Change, now we're Racist's.

[BlueCaliDem]

63. Sure you did.

[bahrbearian]

66. Sorry I'm tried of being Lied too, but you continue on.

[BlueCaliDem]

67. If you've voted based on that politician never lying to you

you really are naive. Sorry, but that just be the fact.

[bahrbearian]

69. Explain to me why your not naive, Cheerleader.

[BlueCaliDem]

71. Why bother, Anti-Obamanite? eom

[bahrbearian]

72. That all you got!

[BlueCaliDem]

73. Just givin' as good as I got.

[bahrbearian]

74. So I guess you were smart enough to vote for McCain.

[Hekate]

81. "Self loathing Racists"?

My gods that is nasty.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. Jesus Christ...reality and parody have collocated inside your head

You may want to get that checked out.

[randome]

13. Ha! The President levies taxes, now?

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[Logical]

18. LOL, did he veto the extension? LOL, pay more attention Einstein. n-t

[bhikkhu]

23. He did raise taxes on the wealthy, and capital gains

I know - not soon enough, but he did follow through and get that done.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. That one is too busy shooting F-bombs at fellow DUers to have paid

attention to the proposal to raise taxes on the rich at the beginning of the year.

Someone alerted, but I'm amazed that its post was allowed to stand. That tells me that too many ObamaHaters infesting this site has given them too much voice in our flawed alert system.

[Marr]

37. Oh, please.

All he had to do in order to raise taxes on the wealthy was *nothing*... back when the Bush Tax Cuts were set to expire. Instead, he made a "deal", which was the political equivalent of selling the cow for magic beans.

So he passes on the effortless win and chooses instead to pursue those tax increases on the wealthy by way of a humble, easily-rebuffed plea to a brick wall of a Congress to do the one thing they will never, ever do. You can't be so naive that you don't see what happened there.

[Andy823]

14. I am sure many agree

We expected more, but his time is not over yet, he is only 6 months into his second term. How much could you have gotten done if you were in his shoes by this time? Could you have made every voter that voted for you happy because you had fulfilled ALL of their agendas by now?

Sometimes we have to understand that he is the president of the entire country not just for each of us. There has to be middle ground, and yes sometimes that middle ground is not what we would have liked to happen, but without it nothing gets done. I was unhappy the we didn't get a universal health care plan, but we got a foundation to work on one. Sure I may take years to get but it's a start and now my daughter, who has a pre existing condition, will be able to get insurance. I want a lot more, but I realize that may not happen, but I am thankful for what he has done to help my daughter and the millions like her.

Working to make things happen instead of getting nothing at all makes sense to me, but then again, that is just my opinion.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Oh, but Andy,

don't you remember the old American tradition that a black person has to work much harder than a white person in order to get any modicum of respect?

Did you think they'd treat Obama differently because he's Harvard educated?

[RetroLounge]

8. "Seems lie people here know a different president that the on I know"

RL

[MjolnirTime]

9. This will blow over like every other poutrage.

How many times has Social Security been killed?

Nothing sticks to Obama because he has done nothing wrong.

The haters absolutely cannot stand this. It's such sweet agony, I'm sure.

[Bobbie Jo]

41. .....until the next one.

This train is never late.

[L0oniX]

17. Well ...it is Sunday isn't it. n/t

[The Link]

19. They never really loved him!!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. Look at post 10...your sarcasm is this guy's actual post

Yes, we are now down to "you never loved him" after every other piece of garbage rationale they've been using has been disproven and discarded.

[Auntie Bush]

24. That's the man I know too

That's the man with a do nothing congress to work with...he's not a dictator!

[treestar]

35. He is though because spying on all of us

He can then use it against protestors, in fact, I heard right here on DU that's the whole reason for the spying - it has nothing to do with security. So he could pass ENDA with a stroke of a pen, file charges against the banksters and the corporatists US vs. the Banksters and Corporatists, criminal complaint # 13-9948848, nationalize the banks, and open up the CIA and NSA so there is total transparency and bring all the troops home oh, yeah, and with the stroke of a pen create a single payer healthcare system! That he doesn't do this proves he is a Republican.



Of course if they really wanted these things, the alleged left would be trying desperately for 2014 and that would include supporting the President, who would sign all of those things they want but instead they shoot themselves in the foot and yearn for a new hero for 2016 (whose Congress could also be Republican) when they can have Elizabeth Warren or Grayson will become President and disappoint them all over again.

[Andy823]

55. Yes

Some people are never happy!

[Marr]

30. Oh, The List©!

It's been ages.

[dawg]

31. He's better than Bush and no worse than Clinton.

But that's damning him with faint praise, I assure you.

[forestpath]

44. Get back to me when "protected Social Security from ANY cuts" is on your list.

[JoePhilly]

79. Weren't those cuts supposed to have happen already ...

... about 10 times now?

[flvegan]

48. He turned me into a newt!!

[zappaman]

49. I got better. n/t

[dkf]

51. Decimating the 4th, and creating an authoritarian surveillance state kind of trumps all that.

He can walk it back and he should. If not then I am not okay with him.

[Liberal Veteran]

57. Well, to be honest, the decimation came from earlier than Obama.

We can blame him for not stopping it, but this started before Obama.

[lumpy]

80. Obama didn't create the surveillance state, been inplace for quite some time.

ignorance is bliss for some people.

[Hekate]

83. Ignorance is poutrage for others

[Hekate]

82. Just how old are you, dkf?

When did you first become aware of governmental politics? Do you have any idea at all of when certain institutions were spawned?

I'm just curious, because your memory seems to reach no further back than January 2009, and as a result you come up with some real head-scratchers.

Eagerly awaiting your reply.

[dkf]

86. What a lame comment. I was part of the Dean/Clark wars for gods sakes.

But I admit politics became a passion of mine thanks to DU.

Mostly I hated George Bush with a passion, especially for lying us in to war. I told my Rep, prior to the vote that he needed to be careful about believing what they were saying about the centrifuges but he didnt believe me. I even protested against Bush when he came here.

Since I've become politically active I've donated to the party, canvassed extensively, sign waved and become a card carrying member of the party.

So puhleeze don't pretend the only politician I've ever been upset at is Obama.

I have to admit Clinton never crossed the lines with me that Obama has with this. I'm beginning to think this is worse than Bush. I did not think that could be possible. Unfathomable.

[Hekate]

88. "Worse than Bush"? Oh, really. As for when the intell apparatus was spawned...

Look back to WW II, the Cold War, Prohibition, the Civil Rights movement, the Vietnam war, and any other troubled time in 20th century US history.

It did not start with Barack Obama, and the reason I am asking you these questions is because you make it sound like you think it did.

"Part of the Dean/Clark wars"? Jeez, I liked them both. Why have a "war" over them? But if that is your personal M.O., again, I guess it explains a lot.

[dkf]

90. But I never thought it would get to where they are recording EVERYTHING.

That crosses a line with me. I was incensed over TIA too and I thought it was stopped. Silly me.

[Hekate]

93. Pfft. Who is running Congress? Who are the moles Dick Cheney inserted into the Civil Service ranks?

How many vacant seats are there in the Federal Court system, and who has to approve judges when they are nominated by the President?

Cheney and the Neocons built to last (or rather they destroyed to last), and it may not be cleaned up in my lifetime. Do you understand that?

Ha! And then we the people in our infinite wisdom stayed home in 2010 or voted for someone else in 2010 either out of disinterest or to "show Obama" something or other, thus giving the far right GOP in the House an even bigger lock on the system.

I have issues with Obama. But being God isn't one of them. He isn't, and he never claimed to be.

[dkf]

94. You think he can't stop this? The constitutional law professor?

You think he wants to?

[Hekate]

95. He's president of one of the three co-equal branches of government

Plus one or two other branches that appear to be semi-autonomous.

Please let me know when he's crowned king-for-life.

[Liberal_in_LA]

61. my disgust with spying on americans can coexist with my support of obama

He is just continuing programs of the past. wish he wouldnt

[Iggo]

68. Ah, the list.

[Liberal Veteran]

84. Do you think the list is full of lies?

Or have facts become inconvenient?

[Iggo]

85. Of course not.

[still_one]

78. Those making that equivalency I suspect never cared for Obama in the first place. Why do I suspect

That is because they throw on other issues, like drone killings of Americans, (though conveniently do not point out that these were not just random Americans), but those,that joined AQ), and a lot of side line

The truth is du is not representative of most Democrats. Democrats today are a diverse group, which give it strengths and weaknesses

[freshwest]

96. Quite a list. I wonder if many will read and consider it.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html