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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:58 PM Jun 2013

BOOM: White House Was Not Involved In Targeting Of Conservative Groups

WASHINGTON -- In a rebuke to House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) has released the full transcript of a key interview with an IRS employee at the heart of the agency's scandal.

The 200-page transcript sheds additional light on the decision by the IRS to screen out tea party groups applying for tax-exempt status during the months and years leading up to the 2012 elections.

Republican and Democratic committee staffers interviewed IRS official John Shafer on June 6 about the agency's decision to scrutinize a tea party group's application for tax-exempt 501(c)(4) status. Shafer, who identified himself as "a conservative Republican" and said he'd worked for the IRS since 1992, said that he and a fellow screener initially flagged a tea party group and continued to do so with subsequent applications in order to maintain consistency in the process.

Throughout much of the interview, Shafer describes the mundane bureaucratic challenges of dealing with incoming applications for nonprofit status. He said his team flagged the first tea party application because it appeared to be a high-profile case, and he wanted to make sure all high-profile cases received similar attention.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/irs-scandal-washington_n_3460904.html

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BOOM: White House Was Not Involved In Targeting Of Conservative Groups (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP
well, damn! what happened to Scandalmania?!?!? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #1
Buried under the spy vs. spy crapola?!? Amonester Jun 2013 #2
Oh they'll keep coming up with fake scandals Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3
Yup. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #6
Republicans have been lying. As usual. Berlum Jun 2013 #4
Conspiracism means never having to say you're sorry nxylas Jun 2013 #38
GTAIssa strikes again malaise Jun 2013 #5
no wonder grand theft issa didn't want the transcripts released arely staircase Jun 2013 #7
I think you mean arsonist Issa... xtraxritical Jun 2013 #28
Time to hurry back to Benghazi! kentuck Jun 2013 #8
I wondered what the deal with the whole planted question thing was too ck4829 Jun 2013 #9
Boom! is right, Cali_Dem. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10
Yes, the sound of wittle darrels bubble bursting. Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #40
Maybe I'm missing the story on the major corporate media sites Iliyah Jun 2013 #11
Yes, you're missing it.... George II Jun 2013 #21
They are John2 Jun 2013 #24
too late, as usual. their 1200 unchallenged and ignored radio stations were once again successful in certainot Jun 2013 #12
I agree davidpdx Jun 2013 #44
these kinds of PR efforts come out immediately on talk radio and can go for weeks of even years certainot Jun 2013 #48
Exactly davidpdx Jun 2013 #49
same cherry picking reality for the NSA "story" sigmasix Jun 2013 #52
the best way to fix this shit is for the left to have a searchable record of the daily RW radio rep certainot Jun 2013 #55
Good stuff Politicub Jun 2013 #13
Not so fast watoos Jun 2013 #14
well, by all means it has to be true if Fox "found her"... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #15
Fox? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #17
Oh we say "Fuck fox" around here. Cha Jun 2013 #18
Cluster Faux Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #41
So what? leftynyc Jun 2013 #20
Right, because it would be wrong to suspect a Tea Party group was about politics. ieoeja Jun 2013 #22
profiling is their job burnodo Jun 2013 #47
Problem is this won't be... one_voice Jun 2013 #16
Why does MSNBC even keep Andrea Mitchell on their payroll? I mean shes married to Alan Greenspan! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #29
Exactly! AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #33
Thanks Cali.. for getting this out there. I haven't Cha Jun 2013 #19
could be a death blow to Issa's re-election hopes. mnmoderatedem Jun 2013 #23
No wonder Issa didn't want this released obama2terms Jun 2013 #25
Oh Dear..... Turbineguy Jun 2013 #26
It's even better than that! hedgehog Jun 2013 #27
This news will disappoint many here Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #30
But, but, but AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #31
Was Holly Paz mentioned? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #34
Poor Darrell Issa Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #36
Of course not. Occupy, the left, pot-growers... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #35
Like a dog with a bone we need to walk around with this Babel_17 Jun 2013 #37
Thank you, Mr. Cummings. Boomerproud Jun 2013 #39
LOL!!! They STILL can't tell it like it is!!! Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #42
Oh please! Of course he was involved rpannier Jun 2013 #43
Whoa, TMI!!!! We're trying to maintain a scandal here!! Beartracks Jun 2013 #45
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #46
too late, faux has already convinced their ignorant audience the white house directed it spanone Jun 2013 #50
Retractions to be printed on page Z10 thelordofhell Jun 2013 #51
Well then he must have been involved in the Hasting tragedy, and if not that then the Viet Nam war still_one Jun 2013 #53
Because they were already too involved with targeting and compiling info on average citizens. NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #54

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
2. Buried under the spy vs. spy crapola?!?
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

Alright, let's see if the m$m will even mention a sigh about it...

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. Oh they'll keep coming up with fake scandals
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

You can be sure of that.

Unfortunately even a lot of Dems appear to be falling for this GOP-generated horse manure.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
4. Republicans have been lying. As usual.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:19 PM
Jun 2013

Dog bites man. Republicans lie to Americans. Ho hum. The usual. Wake me up when there is some real news.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
38. Conspiracism means never having to say you're sorry
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jun 2013

The beauty of conspiracism as a worldview is that any inconvenient evidence can be dismissed as part of the conspiracy. For the RepubliKlan Party, all this will prove is that the IRS Official is a puppet of the Kenyan Usurper.

sheshe2

(83,833 posts)
10. Boom! is right, Cali_Dem.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jun 2013

From your link~
Asked plainly, "do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decision to screen Tea Party cases?" Shafer replied, "I have no reason to believe that."

"Do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decisions to centralize the review of Tea Party cases?" he was asked. "I have no reason to believe that," he replied.

Asked if he had "ever communicated with [then IRS] Commissioner Shulman about the screening of Tea Party cases?" he replied, "I have not."


Issa>>>>

Thank You!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. Maybe I'm missing the story on the major corporate media sites
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jun 2013

such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC and CBS, but I find nada. Zippoo. Witch hunt will continue though because Issa and GOPers need to bring down Pres O's polls numbers and discourage voters in not voting Dem, not vote period OR vote for GOPers.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Yes, you're missing it....
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jun 2013

Chris Matthews had Elijah Cummings moments after he released the transcript for an uncharacteristically long interview with less interruptions than usual.

It's been all over the news this morning.

Maybe you wanted to miss it?

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
24. They are
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jun 2013

part of the corporate media as far as I'm concern and try to set the direction of issues in this country. Whatever issue they decide is important, that is what they focus on, and sometimes, they edit or censor information themselves to frame the debate.

I would argue, the IRS did their jobs. I would argue in doing their jobs, those groups started complaining to conservative law makers in Congress( Issa) in particular. The investigation was started because of those very complaints initiated by Issa himself calling for the matter to be investigated. The person selected to conduct this investigation was routinely informing Issa's office about the process of the investigation. I argue the information shows this. Why wouldn't this show Issa might have had undue influence himself over a supposedly independent IG investigation?

The information also shows the complaint was out of an IRS office in a District, where the representative is the Republican House Speaker. So wouldn't groups in that area or from that area, file with the IRS office in their District? So the supervising employee was a Republican. I wonder what the employees working under him were and if many of them actually lived in this District?

We also know information was, 100 percent of them got tax exempt status from this office. Why no red flag raised? Why did Lerner find it neccessary to plant a question, making these groups look like victims and the IRS did something wrong? What made the IG, if he did, think these groups were targeted? She planted it to the media and they ran with conservative groups were targeted according to Lerner. Why wouldn't this have the appearance of a scheme or conspiracy by certain individuals?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
12. too late, as usual. their 1200 unchallenged and ignored radio stations were once again successful in
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jun 2013

creating an alternate reality for tens of millions of listeners and many secondary listeners.

good on elijah cummings, but the dem party and the left in general, have again screwed up by not responding to RW radio in real time. it hurts the dems and obama and weakens his position. another eg of RW radio kicking liberal ass because they ignore it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. I agree
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:25 AM
Jun 2013

It was great that Congressman Cummings released it, but there is still going to be a large block of idiots that believe this shit. I can't remember for the life of me when it first came out in the news (it all kind of just runs together) I'd guess though it's been several weeks. That is one reason I've said it really doesn't matter whether these scandals are true or not, it's the perception (or mis-perception that is what did the damage).

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
48. these kinds of PR efforts come out immediately on talk radio and can go for weeks of even years
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jun 2013

there (like the ACORN swiftboating), unnoticed by the left.

like most of their scandals, they depend on unchallenged national repetition on talk radio to give them the buzz and momentum they need to catapult them into the MSM.

their think tank PR pros are well paid to observe and cherrypick through the news for the opportunity to turn molehills like this into mountains in a day or two. and it's practically free with their talk radio advantage.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
52. same cherry picking reality for the NSA "story"
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

The right wing neo-"news" echo chamber is filled with all sorts of operatives with different specialties. Some right wing propoganda specialists work in TV media, some in printed media and some in blogs and message boards like DU. We all know that the right wing media has infested some DU posts- the NSA conspiracy posters are the latest in a long list of disguised right wing operatives attempting to use DU's liberal reputation to add credence to thier partisan ODS claims. Good people will continue to point out the hypocrisy and destructiveness of these agents.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
55. the best way to fix this shit is for the left to have a searchable record of the daily RW radio rep
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:40 PM
Jun 2013

etition from the main national and local blowhards. the BS needs to be responded to in real time- before they become established.

these RW hacks and trolls owe their acceptability to the fact the left doesn't know what's happening on RW radio- those hacks know the lies and BS they repeat has already been pounded into the earholes of 50 mil a week- enough to make even the biggest lie a fact to tens of millions. the right's been creating made-to-order constituencies for any issue and they can do it from the think tanks in days.

dems and progressives in media need to regularly respond to them with "that's what limbaugh said" etc.

put a RUSH tattoo on their foreheads. they are acceptable and their lies are facts because the left ignores RW radio and they end up trying to catch up and react after the cat's out of the bag- sequestration, benghazi and the IRS are perfect recent examples a few of many RW successes the last 25 years.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. Not so fast
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jun 2013

Fox found another former IRS agent out of the Washington DC District that claims she profiled T/Party groups.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. So what?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:09 AM
Jun 2013

Did they ask her if she got direction from anyone in the White House? Did the President ask her to do it? That's the issue.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
22. Right, because it would be wrong to suspect a Tea Party group was about politics.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

This scandal is so amazingly stupid that it makes Benghazi look almost reasonable. At least in Benghazi they could have probably done something better. You can always do something better.

Heck, the mission that took out OBL lost a helicopter. So even they could have done a "better" job.


But giving the IRS grief for suspecting that a political caucus might be political is ... why is this an issue?

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
47. profiling is their job
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:56 AM
Jun 2013

they don't just hand out tax-exempt status. Everybody who applies is checked out.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
16. Problem is this won't be...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jun 2013

screamed as the top story for 3 weeks straight like the 'scandal' was. It'll be buried behind the half-price canned goods on sale at Shop-Rite.

Pisses me off that it works out like that. The fucking media should spend at least three days screaming about the fake scandal.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
29. Why does MSNBC even keep Andrea Mitchell on their payroll? I mean shes married to Alan Greenspan!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jun 2013

Chris Matthews is a dud too.

Response to one_voice (Reply #16)

Cha

(297,446 posts)
19. Thanks Cali.. for getting this out there. I haven't
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:00 AM
Jun 2013

watched corp fake news since 2002.

It's up to us to shine a light on reality.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
23. could be a death blow to Issa's re-election hopes.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jun 2013

fence sitting voters don't like the kind of thing he's been doing.

Let's hope so.

obama2terms

(563 posts)
25. No wonder Issa didn't want this released
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jun 2013

Because not only was the white house not involved, it was a republican that flagged the group, now THAT is un expected.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
27. It's even better than that!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

Liberal Groups Say They Received IRS Scrutiny Too

The conventional shorthand for the IRS scandal is that employees "targeted" conservative groups for extra scrutiny in the applications for tax-exempt status. Except, as an inspector general's report showed, it wasn't just conservative groups that got extra scrutiny. Plenty of liberal groups had to produce extensive documentation answer dozens of questions, too.
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=193383914&m=193383901

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
31. But, but, but
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jun 2013

it destroys one of the "scandals" so it can't be true. Anything that makes the Obama administration look bad is the truth.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
36. Poor Darrell Issa
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jun 2013

He tried mightily to pin this on the White House, but ended up failing miserably thanks to Elijah Cummings' release of the full transcript. He had so much riding on this IRS issue and he just ends up falling flat on his fucking face.

Another faux scandal bites the dust.

Next faux scandal up? Obama's foreign trips actually cost money....because apparently George W. Bush's trips were free.

See here ---->>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/18/first-family-trip-to-africa-projected-to-cost-up-to-100m-sparking-criticism/

Stay tuned folks


Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
37. Like a dog with a bone we need to walk around with this
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jun 2013

Go on the talk shows, do interviews, and post to blogs, till it resonates in the minds of even those who are working too hard and long to devote much attention to the TV; The Republicans were lying and acting like cry-babies. We really need to play up how spoiled and childish they have been acting.

And they're cowards about facing the music.

Boomerproud

(7,961 posts)
39. Thank you, Mr. Cummings.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

that is exactly how you deal with bullies like Issa. I'm still looking for it on NBC or CNN sites.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
42. LOL!!! They STILL can't tell it like it is!!!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:38 AM
Jun 2013

Face it, some old guard Republicans were getting primaried by these upstart Tea Party types.

They had created a monster.

This was Republican on Republican infighting at it's nastiest and they tried to pin it on the black guy.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
43. Oh please! Of course he was involved
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:09 AM
Jun 2013

Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Dana Perino, Sara Palin, Michelle Maulkin, Ann Coulter, Fox at Five, Fox and Friends and Greta van Susterin all told me that he was.
And we all know just how accurate and unbiased they are.

Beartracks

(12,820 posts)
45. Whoa, TMI!!!! We're trying to maintain a scandal here!!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:36 AM
Jun 2013

Darn "context" is making it rather difficult.



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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
54. Because they were already too involved with targeting and compiling info on average citizens.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jun 2013

There's only so much you can do at one time, so they needed to farm out the Tea Party stuff.

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