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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCongratulations to all you ReThuglican Lurkers & Trolls! I'm calling you out!!
I hope you have noticed how our Democratic "secret Muslim socialist" POTUS has not taken your precious guns away, but rather has capitulated on nearly every issue to the covert, sinister & unconstitutional agenda of NeoFascists, Banksters, Tea-baggers, the Kock Bros. et. al.
What I don't get it why you are not out dancing in the streets celebrating your complete victory over anything even remotely resembling clear-headed FDR-style Left Wing policy??? On second thought, I DO know why you're not out dancing in the streets, because under Obama it's become illegal to do so, or to pointedly publicly express any point of view contrary to above mentioned agenda. This was amply demonstrated by the "official response" to the Occupy Wall Street movement.
So, are you happy yet? How many more constitutional rights would you like to give away forever, before you say "enough!"?
Ooopsie. never-mind .. Scratch that, since there aren't any real rights left to give away.
But I'm curious, if you are happy with yourselves? Seriously. I am not being rhetorical here.
I'm curious, what, pray tell, do you think you have "won" .... by creating this NSA/CIA/DHS/FBI Frankenstein of a 100% saturation surveillance state? ... what have we "gained" by being chained to endlessly self-perpetuating "Wars on Terror" abroad and at home, that inexorably keep morphing into a war against 99% of our own US citizens, a war of hyper-suspicion, guilt-by-association, blame-the-messenger, secret laws, secret "government", unchecked systematic assassinations at the will of POTUS (regardless of party), not to mention private armies of hired guns & mercenaries to do the "private" bidding of whoever has the biggest purse, etc. etc.
Had enough yet? Will there ever be enough cannibalizing of our younger generation to wield guns & bombs & drones waging bloody wars against people of color, all in the name of "rights" and "democracy"?
Or perhaps you are getting paid to think otherwise, in which case, I know you "have your family to think of".
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It's never clear who hates Obama more -- the extreme right or the extreme left.
And this:
Gawd. Is it hyperbole, hysteria, or the emotional vomit associated with pure ignorance? I just cannot tell any more.
EDIT: The only rightwing groups who have moles in this place are those who have no life of their own. Their opinions of DU are meaningless, though too often accurate.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But he has lost my trust at this point. There has simply been too much betrayal of too much
that I care deeply about, for me to look the other way, and just keep quiet about it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... as you claim Obama has done.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)making that claim, there is a bevy of very highly skilled journalists, including Chris Hedges
and Amy Goodman, who are also making that claim; and that's just for starters. we could
make quite a list actually, including former NSA people who are now speaking out for the
preservation of constitutional rights to privacy, speech, assembly, you name it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... they are all being equally hysterical.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Oh, and ridicule others who refuse to look away, and who recognize their duty as a citizen to
resist unconstitutional corporate-driven tyrannical rule.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... then you and all those who share your view deserve ONLY ridicule.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)You clearly haven't had "enough" yet.
The NDAA was the final straw for me.
How are you going to like having all this NSA secret spying
and drone warfare if (God forbid) a Rethuglican ever gets
elected POTUS again?
Will it be "enough" then?
Whatever, to each his/her own.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)We had both under a Republican.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Or perhaps I should rephrase that as "hope".
But I am writhing over the contrast between what he said in the senate and as a presidential candidate about issues such as this, and what has apparently occurred on his watch.
His recent comments about no one listening to your phone calls is also kind of painful to think about.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Enlighten us please, we like to be amused and nothing is more amusing that the opinions of Right Wingers about anything, especially their opinions of DUers, all of which that I've seen so far have been wrong.
I've never seen them express a single opinion that I would agree with in the over ten years since I became aware of that particular species of human being. But then I no longer bother reading their boring, Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh imitations, the originals are bad enough.
gulliver
(13,186 posts)If you are right about Obama, shouldn't they be? Could it be, oh, that you are completely wrong about Obama? Republicans don't like him at all. Hmm... What...can...that...mean? Such a puzzle!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Just a little role reversal.
Grisbald
(9 posts)and are now finding out that is nothing but the same hot air that all the politicians blow.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)They wonder why they're stuck at 2%-7% of the electorate.
randome
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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"Why don't Americans agree with us? They must just be stupid!!!"
The great mystery!
FSogol
(45,514 posts)criticize Democrats for being Democrats?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people's Civil Liberties. I never met a Dem who supported spying on the American people eg. Or one who would even think about 'cutting SS'.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)total transparency
hope and change. not so much.
I was a chump, I'll admit to that; but that doesn't somehow let Obama off the hook.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I guess if we accept that it was all bullshit all along, then yeah... it is whining.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)Guess it is not working.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)FSogol
(45,514 posts)BTW, the term, "Party Over Principle And Country," tells me the air must be great up on the high horses in imaginary purity land.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I love DU, or I wouldn't bother coming here and participating.
If anyone is "whining" it's you, whining "EEK! a dissenter!"
newmember
(805 posts)that's how our government since it's beginning is set up for elections.
That's what elections are and have always been.
People that follow and support an elected official blindly are idiots ...and I'm trying to be kind in my statement.
I hate to say it but we do have some here.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)newmember
(805 posts)That's what an election is.
a balance beam scale ...nothing more , nothing less
Evil ?
yeah maybe
WillyT
(72,631 posts)We used to be made of greater stuff.
newmember
(805 posts)I don't think people were made of better stuff back then.
It's just that it was hidden or not reported like it is now.
Now everything is under a microscope and everyone want the new breaking news headline.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)quite odd.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)You know, democracy. Horrible, isn't it. Thank god that congress is for sale to the highest bidder. What would you do if we actually had a democracy in this country. Perish the thought.
We ask for background checks and you invoke NRA propaganda about gun confiscation. Tome cuidado meu bem.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You evoke an institution you concede is corrupt & bought, and is not democratic in practice. And you don't even recognize the courts who have to pass judgment on the leavings of that body bought "by the highest bidder."
You don't want b.g. Checks (I do), you want bans.
Perhaps the place to turn to satisfy your prohi urges is elsewhere: Fata viam invenient.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Paranoid much? You really out to have that looked into.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Melinda
(5,465 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Melinda
(5,465 posts)But I feel that when others read her words, it helps to strengthen them too. Powerful indeed. Her philosophy has helped sustain me countless times, particularly when I've been backed into a corner vis a vis aggression. It's all good now tho.
How cool is it that you two share a name! Thank you, Eleanor.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)All that rending of garments must keep your tailor busy.
What do you want? Do you want Obama to fix problems in six years that took thirty to create? You want to him solve the problems of mature economies, empires in decline, depletion of energy resources and Justin Bieber?
I voted for him twice and I'd vote for him again. Is he the do all and be all of Democratic party politics? No. I'm not really interested in just how far left or not so left Obama may or may not be. I'm interested in the liberal that sits in the oval office after the Biden presidency. Or the Warren presidency. Or the fucking Bieber presidency if that's the guy that winds up running with a "D" behind his name.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)With assorted "leftists" assuring us we're soooo much worse off under Obama, the evil-doer who makes us miss the nice normal guys who use to run the place.
Stop listening to that shit show is my friendly advice, or listen more critically.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)you are right of course, that I should "stop" listening to any journalist
who does not tow the Administration's line, to parrot the "official"
story on everything.
Listen, I've been a life-long Democrat (leaning Green) since working on
Robert F. Kennedy's campaign staff during the 60s, did voter registration
with ACORN, voted for Obama both elections, and was a community
organizer for much of my professional life.
I've been around long enough to know when I've been bamboozled and
betrayed politically, and as much as it pains me to admit that, I must
follow my conscience, despite that apparently not being in fashion these
daze in DC.
I doubt that you give a rats ass about any of this, except to try to make
anyone who speaks up about Obama's betrayal look like a fool and a
traitor; but I try to never assume the worst about anyone, so feel free
to surprise me.