Now connect a few more dots....

[catnhatnh]

DNA swabs on arrest-not conviction. NYC holding occupiers in custody up to 48 hrs longer for refusing iris scans. NSA warrantless intercepts of all computer activity. Warrantless wiretapping on anyone by contractors. Now working on yottabytes of data storage-possibly to store phone voice records.

Then intend to have it all-every fucking bit- and the constitution and fourth amendment be damned.

[midnight]

1. K&R...

[niyad]

2. note to terrorists--you don't have to hate us for our freedoms (as some said you did), because

we don't have them anymore.

[nobodyspecial]

3. And yet here you are

still posting out in the open about it. Hmm...

[catnhatnh]

4. A tad late to be bashful now.... N/T

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I'll keep saying what I want to. I'm a very small fish.

[ohheckyeah]

5. And possibly having

the phone tapped for it and maybe on the do-not-fly list. How would we know?

[nobodyspecial]

8. Yes, the people posting here are so freakin important

that they are watching your every move. Keep telling yourself that.

[ohheckyeah]

9. You're the one that thought

the fact the poster was openly posting here was proof there is nothing to fear from the government. Keep telling yourself that.

[treestar]

13. Then why are you posting?

Aren't you afraid your dissent will result in government harassment and tapping of your phone? We live in a police state, after all. You are saying you don't like it. Police states don't take kindly to that.

[ohheckyeah]

15. I don't believe I said we live in a police state.

Nice try at squirming out of what you said.

[treestar]

16. Well post 9 indicates we have something to fear from the government

[ohheckyeah]

19. Yeah....

I think we do. No, let me rephrase that, I know we do. I worked for them and am very aware of what they are capable of.

[Life Long Dem]

20. Bad bad government

[treestar]

23. Capable of what?

A few bad apples. Are you an anarchist then? We have to have a government.

[ohheckyeah]

25. I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

Federal law enforcement is a scary thing.

[L0oniX]

24. Hi, I'm Agent Mike. Don't worry. I have been recording all DU activity since it started.

Trust me. I'm a proud patriot. Any real patriot would volunteer DNA samples and turn in anyone who is against the NSA including family ...especially the inlaws. Our corpor ...uhm government is there for you.

[sabrina 1]

33. What do you suggest, posting it in secret, an email maybe, a phone call? Lol, no one cares what they

say in public anymore because it doesn't matter where or how you say it, they are spying on you.

Did you read about the actor who was making a movie that required technical advice from the FBI. He questioned the premise that the people are spied on. The FBI technical expert produced a two year old email to prove to him that they not only could access people's emails, they had been doing it for a while. As he said 'it was creepy'.

Better to put it all out in public now, at least maybe we can save some of the billions of dollars they are spending to get it in secret.

[Buzz Clik]

7. I have been thinking about all of this in preparation for my flight tomorrow.

When was the last time my rights were not totally violated by TSA/US government? 20 years? 30 years?

They tell us that if we don't like it, we don't have to fly, but we have to fly. Bags get opened and inspected, clothes come off, carry ons get x-rayed, my body gets scanned. We stopped shitting ourselves about this ages ago.

Are we just becoming immune? Do we value our security over our privacy?

Is any of this "new" stuff really new, or do we simply have short memories?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. I hate having to remove my shoes

i do think they are over the top on airport security. What data are there to show that this really combats terrorism? There's practically nothing when you get on a train.

Besides more people are killed on the roads every day in comparison.

[blkmusclmachine]

11. POLICE STATE.

It's here, folks. With a nice smile and a slick speech.

[kenny blankenship]

14. But it only swings its baton at the heads of those who resent it.

If you don't notice the police state, or resent it for destroying our freedoms, you have nothing to fear!

Remain calm, and all will be well, citizens. All will be well, for you.

[Catherina]

18. And angry rec. Yes indeed it is n/t

[BadgerKid]

29. .

and tasers. Don't forget the tasers.

[jsr]

37. The old good cop/bad cop routine works every time

[treestar]

12. DNA swabs can eliminate people from suspicion

So the interest in not having them done doesn't exist. If you know it will clear you, you'll want one.

If on file, it may prevent you becoming a suspect and prevent some police questioning of you altogether. A lot of technology has good effects.

[WinkyDink]

17. I'm 63, never been a "suspect." DON'T NEED A DNA FILE. Your post is INCREDIBLE.

[treestar]

21. You must object to fingerprints then?

And to the AFIS database?

It does not matter that you've never been a suspect or how old you are, what has that to do with it? I'm simply saying that people can be cleared by DNA or fingerprints as well as suspected.

There is an AFIS database of Fingerprints of anyone who has ever been arrested or applied for a professional license or something that needed a background check. So cops get fingerprints at a scene and they aren't going to go after anyone whose fingerprints clear them. In fact they put the scene prints into a machine and if it makes a hit, they know who it was without having to interview anyone who they might have gone after for the crime and who didn't do it.

Not knowing this at 63 is INCREDIBLE.

[L0oniX]

26. Perfect world? Perfect DNA labs with NO cross contamination? Uhm ...it has already happened.

On purpose? I've already seen enough about bad cops planting evidence to never trust them. On the other hand if I were innocent and on death row and I could be DNA tested to overturn my conviction of course I would agree to it.

[treestar]

27. I watch too many of those forensic shows on TV

They make DNA testing look like a real cure all to innocent people being found guilty. But of course there could be custody of evidence problems.

[BadgerKid]

30. Desk-top scanners for DNA markers are coming.

It's one of the goals for medical clinical settings. Of course all PD's will eventually have one also.

[hobbit709]

31. Ah yes, the old "If you have nothing to hide" mentality.

And if they decide to go after you, they have the evidence they need to plant.

I'm not so frightened of the world that I'm willing to give up everything in the name of "Safety and Security"

[sabrina 1]

34. And another argument for the violation of the 4th Amendment, once again based only on FEAR.

Have ever read the history of this country and its decision to choose freedom from Government intrusion, which was not done without a lot of thoughtful discussion?

In a nutshell it was decided that to have the kind of freedom fought for in the American Revolution would require taking a few risks. But overall, protecting the people from becoming a totalitarian state with those risks,, was far preferable than trying to be '100% safe by giving any government the power to survey the activities of their people.

That is what we as citizens sign on to as long as we remain citizens.

To suggest that we give up rights for what are impossible assurances of safety is in direct contradiction to what this country claims to be.

Because far more threatening to any nation is a Government that spies on its citizens under the pretext they are 'keeping them safe'. That is the age old claim of all totalitarian states.

[kenny blankenship]

22. They're out of control & don't know how to stop themselves. A classic cry for help.

[Triana]

28. Complete corporate control

Is the goal. With government help, of course - face it, most pols are bought & paid for by the corporations that own the rest of us and our lives.

It's getting more like the goddamned Matrix every day.

[Snarkoleptic]

32. Add this dot to the matrix.

It seems odd to me that there is all of this DNA collection going on while rape kits gather dust on shelves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023016470

When a group of uniformed men wearing guns sets up a road block then ask you to "volunteer" a DNA sample and blood sample, it stretches the definition of "volunteer." But that's what happened in Alabama yesterday as off-duty cops in two counties set up DNA collection roadblocks and stopped cars to ask if drivers wanted to "volunteer" DNA swabs and blood samples.

It was all part of a study being conducted by the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, which is probably studying what percentage of the sheeple population will allow the government to swipe their DNA and archive it in a database for a measly ten bucks.

Just one county in Alabama had set up five roadblocks in one day, and more are being rolled out nationwide. The explanation behind all this is that it's for a "medical study" to see how much alcohol drivers have in their blood.

- "why not have scientists in lab coats stopping cars to collect blood?" It's all the same thing now ain't it ...cops/scientists/medical professionals? I didn't even think about this ...that cops could do DNA swabs at the usual Friday night check point. WTF ...repeat WTF ...repeat WTF ...repeat WTF ...repeat WTF ...repeat WTF

[catnhatnh]

36. Yep...

My son was held for two extra days in NYC for refusing the "voluntary" scan after the 6 month "anniversary" protest, St. Patrick's day 2012. Those accepting scans were released on a promise to appear while those refusing were held and later released on cash bonds.