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TomClash

(11,344 posts)
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:29 AM Jun 2013

Greenwald: On partisanship, propaganda and PRISM

I haven't been able to write this week here because I've been participating in the debate over the fallout from last week's NSA stories, and because we are very busy working on and writing the next series of stories that will begin appearing very shortly.

. . .

Thus far we have revealed four independent programs: the bulk collection of telephone records, the PRISM program, Obama's implementation of an aggressive foreign and domestic cyber-operations policy, and false claims by NSA officials to Congress. Every one of those articles was vetted by multiple Guardian editors and journalists - not just me. Democratic partisans have raised questions about only one of the stories - the only one that happened to be also published by the Washington Post (and presumably vetted by multiple Post editors and journalists) - in order to claim that an alleged inaccuracy in it means our journalism in general is discredited.

They are wrong. The story was not inaccurate. The Washington Post revised parts of its article, but its reporter, Bart Gellman, stands by its core claims ("From their workstations anywhere in the world, government employees cleared for PRISM access may 'task' the system and receive results from an Internet company without further interaction with the company's staff&quot .

The Guardian has not revised any of our article and has no intention to do so. That's because we did not claim that the NSA document alleging direct collection from the servers was true; we reported - accurately - that the NSA document claims that the program allows direct collection from the companies' servers. Before publishing, we went to the internet companies named in the documents and asked about these claims. When they denied it, we purposely presented the story as one of a major discrepancy between what the NSA document claims and what the internet companies claim . . .

The NSA document says exactly what we reported. Just read it and judge for yourself (PRISM is "collection directly from the servers of these US service provers&quot . It's amusingly naive how some people seem to think that because government officials or corporate executives issue carefully crafted denials, this resolves the matter. Read the ACLU's tech expert, Chris Soghoian, explain why the tech companies' denials are far less significant and far more semantic than many are claiming.

More at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-partisanship-propaganda-prism

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Greenwald: On partisanship, propaganda and PRISM (Original Post) TomClash Jun 2013 OP
du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #1
Rec MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #2
I love that he cites the Pew Poll, that shows how so many Dems have flip-flopped. reformist2 Jun 2013 #3
I tried to post that but all that came up was the link nt. TomClash Jun 2013 #7
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #4
Well, now that he has disappointed the critics by proving them wrong regarding 'not posting sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #5
The pro-government defenders better rest up, sounds like a lot more is on the way... reformist2 Jun 2013 #9
A direct address back at the people trying to muddy the waters Hydra Jun 2013 #6
More to come -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #8
Wow.... ClarkJonathanKent Jun 2013 #10
As someone said the other day, Glen Greenwald--like a boss. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #11

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Well, now that he has disappointed the critics by proving them wrong regarding 'not posting
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jun 2013

anything' and correcting the misinformation we are seeing, even here, what will they come up with next?

Attacking Greenwald rather than addressing what we know to be facts, only makes the government look desperate. It is a bad tactic, it will not change a single mind of those who value the freedoms we are guaranteed in this country.

I have read the contortions to try to explain why this is going on. Not one of them has offered a logical reason that any of this is keeping us safer.

If the anti-open society contingency can offer something concrete to defend these abuses, that is what they should do.

Attacking the messengers, and there appear to more and more of them lately, is not working.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. A direct address back at the people trying to muddy the waters
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jun 2013

And we can look forward to new disclosures coming up.

It's a good week for daylight

10. Wow....
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jun 2013

This article seems like a pretty thorough takedown of every apologist's talking points. I predict the goalposts will be moved once again.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
11. As someone said the other day, Glen Greenwald--like a boss.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

He stands by every word, and more reporting is on the way. Prepare for the further gnashing of teeth, caterwauling, claims that Greenwald is a traitor, and so on. Thanks once again to Glen Greenwald for helping us understand what our government doesn't want us to know about.

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