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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:32 AM Jun 2013

Everyone's Quitting Facebook

(yes original article title)

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/everyone-s-quitting-facebook

On a day when Wall Street darling Apple hit new highs, making it the most valuable company ever (not adjusted for inflation), ex-darling Facebook continues to reach record lows. After its controversial IPO, Mark Zuckerberg has been unable to convince investors of a brighter future. It’s not just Wall Street that remains flocking to the exits, the company has been leaking high-level execs since it went public. The site is also shedding users. Despite robust international growth, Facebook lost 6 million U.S. users in May.

Now, with the three-month investor lock-up period over — the period in which pre-IPO shareholders are barred from selling a certain chunk of their shares — the company is losing one of its largest and most notable shareholders. PayPal co-founder and early Facebook investor (he famously paid $500,000 in 2004 for a 10.2 percent stake) Peter Thiel on Monday sold another 20 million shares, nearly his entire stake. Along with the proceeds of the initial IPO, Thiel has netted himself a tidy $1 billion for his troubles.

That investors are cashing out after one of the most hyped IPOs in history is only natural but the velocity of the selling belies a lack of confidence in Zuckerberg to fulfill Facebook’s lofty promises. Thiel isn’t just any old investor. He sits on the board and has privileged insight into the future of the company. As he must understand by now, this is only beginning for Facebook’s Wall Street woes. It faces three more “lock-up” expirations by year end with the biggest in November, when a further 1.32 billion shares could flood the market eclipsing many times over last week’s paltry 271 million share window.

“We don’t build services to make money,” Zuckerberg wrote half a year ago in Facebook’s IPO prospectus, hinting at the company’s inherent identity crisis. The site was never designed to make money, it was crafted to suck users in and keep them within the confines of Facebook’s world. Zuckerberg, perhaps unwittingly, admitted the central paradox to this agreement: “People want to use services from companies that believe in something beyond simply maximizing profits.” But by going public at the valuation that they did, around $100 billion, Zuckerberg and company signed a pact with the devil. That number doesn’t represent real value. It’s a promise that would conceivably be delivered down the line, essentially a public declaration that profits will indeed be maximized.

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Everyone's Quitting Facebook (Original Post) steve2470 Jun 2013 OP
With regards to facebook, you're not the customer, you're the commodity. Electric Monk Jun 2013 #1
true, but you can also pay for services and still be the commodity being sold these days. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #5
Yes, along with paying for things that harm you siligut Jun 2013 #32
That's why I don't watch television. hunter Jun 2013 #36
I use it to send B-day wishes, and thank people for B-day wishes. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #2
good. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #3
9 month old article. Has Facebook folded yet? Lex Jun 2013 #4
hyperbolic headline for sure, and didn't notice the article date, ugh nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #8
Dunno sakabatou Jun 2013 #13
It's not going away as long as Latinos are a growing group flamingdem Jun 2013 #6
Can't believe I get to post this twice. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #7
True story. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #16
I've never been a heavy user, but the ads have gotten annoying bhikkhu Jun 2013 #9
I actually did quit facebook.. a while back. AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #10
I'm still there, and so are my friends and family... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #11
Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #17
i remember when this article was new 9 months ago. TeamPooka Jun 2013 #12
Secrets the NSA has discovered about me from Facebook FrodosPet Jun 2013 #14
But everyone says to use it for networking for jobs Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #15
Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded. Electric Monk Jun 2013 #18
Snort tavernier Jun 2013 #35
The only thing worse than facebook is people determined to convince others how awful facebook is. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #19
Facebook Anonymous already exists BainsBane Jun 2013 #20
And yet, no 12 step program for 12 step addicts. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #37
it sure did a good job of sucking users in Skittles Jun 2013 #21
I still use Facebook newfie11 Jun 2013 #22
oh no! there's ad's on FB. good thing there's no ads on TV, radio or print media. that would be bad. KG Jun 2013 #23
I have family and friends in other states. HappyMe Jun 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Jun 2013 #25
Good. Progress is being made. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #26
the screwed up.... Locrian Jun 2013 #27
Quit. Tired of their Terms of Service shenanigans MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #28
Really? SMH Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #29
Every other item in my newsfeed is an ad, so I check a lot less often. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #30
You wouldn't be able pipi_k Jun 2013 #31
Who needs Facebook when you got Google+! Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #33
It still beats Twitter by a mile. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #34
I'm the same BainsBane Jun 2013 #38
I have an obsession about texting using proper sentences and complete words. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #39
Yep, hardly ever use it anymore. Hope they go under. Rex Jun 2013 #40

hunter

(38,326 posts)
36. That's why I don't watch television.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

When the telemarketers call from the cable or satellite companies I ask them "how much?"

They go into their spiel and I say, "Fine, when I receive your first payment you can hook me up."

Behind the Aegis

(53,983 posts)
2. I use it to send B-day wishes, and thank people for B-day wishes.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jun 2013

It has become almost unusable in its current incarnation. It, to me, is nothing but a damn jumble with all kinds of bells and whistles that you can't get rid of if you don't want them. But, it has provided some insight to some people, that's for damn sure.

bhikkhu

(10,724 posts)
9. I've never been a heavy user, but the ads have gotten annoying
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:35 AM
Jun 2013

I find myself avoiding it. If I want to keep up with what relatives and friends are doing, I don't want to have to wade through crap I never signed up for and have no interest in. They could easily do it like google, where its off to the side, but now they put it right in the "newsfeed".

I doubt they'll be going broke anytime soon, but if something better came along (and its easy to imagine something better) I'd be happy to jump ship. Not what a company wants to hear from its customer base!

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
10. I actually did quit facebook.. a while back.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:48 AM
Jun 2013

It just became too complicated and too much work to maintain my account. My Twitter account is so much easier to manage, and I can skip a day or so and not feel like I missed something.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,699 posts)
11. I'm still there, and so are my friends and family...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:56 AM
Jun 2013

I got rid of the ads using Adblock Plus, so that took care of that!

I enjoy being there.



It fills a much different niche for me than DU does.

I like it.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. Secrets the NSA has discovered about me from Facebook
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:03 AM
Jun 2013

OMG, the feds know that I like the Tigers and the Red Wings and The Foo Fighters and "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" and cute pictures of my niece.

And I was trying so hard to hide that publicly posted information.

But seriously, folks: No probable cause plus no warrant equals MYOBNSA!

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
15. But everyone says to use it for networking for jobs
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:11 AM
Jun 2013

I listened to a webinar 2 weeks ago that said "social media is essential for finding a job in todays market...blah, blah, blah.." Even in a workshop I went to yesterday, the same thought. I use Linked-In and thats it. No FB, or twitter. I don't want perspective employers judging me by my personal politics--which I hear they have a tendency to peek at. I was waiting for a time to see if it would be worth using, but I am now conveinced its a waste of time. If they want to look at my L-I page on how professional I am, and business I did in China, have at it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. The only thing worse than facebook is people determined to convince others how awful facebook is.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:49 AM
Jun 2013

Wasting time trying to get other people not to waste time on facebook? Waste of time.

Seriously, someone should start a group for them, on like a social networking site or something.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. And yet, no 12 step program for 12 step addicts.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jun 2013

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to xerox a mirror and see what happens.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
22. I still use Facebook
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:25 AM
Jun 2013

It is easy to keep up with family all over the country.
I also use it to talk to my Newfie dog owning friends world wide.

The one thing I really like about Facebook is the ability to meet folks in many other countries with the same interests.

KG

(28,752 posts)
23. oh no! there's ad's on FB. good thing there's no ads on TV, radio or print media. that would be bad.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:44 AM
Jun 2013

Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
27. the screwed up....
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 08:21 AM
Jun 2013

Not as smart as they thought they were....


They should have focused on building a center for people to interact w/o pushing adds and junk up your ass. Nobody wants that and it's not effective.

Build a section where people can OPTIONALLY go shopping or whatever. You don't have to force it - people are suckers and like shopping / etc enough. Just don't push it on people.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
28. Quit. Tired of their Terms of Service shenanigans
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jun 2013

"In order to provide our users with an even-better experience, we're now selling your personal data to anyone!"

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. Every other item in my newsfeed is an ad, so I check a lot less often.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

Who would have guessed that bombarding people with ads would have this result?

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
31. You wouldn't be able
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jun 2013

to tell from my newsfeed.

My friends and relatives are a chatty bunch. My ticker is always moving, and if I don't check my newsfeed for half a day, stuff just scrolls right down and out of sight.

I have adblock, so ads aren't a problem.

One of my biggest beefs involves the "invites" to games people are playing, but I realized that I can block them by blocking invites from the people who send them. They don't know about it, and it doesn't affect anything other than the game invites.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
33. Who needs Facebook when you got Google+!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jun 2013

As for Apple, I still can't understand what the hype is for.

Gibe me a PC and/or Microsoft stuff any day!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
34. It still beats Twitter by a mile.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jun 2013

Perhaps it's OCD for me, but I simply cannot stand to look at Twitter. There's nothing but a bunch of short misspelled sentence fragments with random hashtags and ampersands thrown about.

But apparently it's all the rage....

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
38. I'm the same
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jun 2013

The only extensive twitting I've ever done was during the last Presidential debate.
My Tweets still read like actual English though.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
39. I have an obsession about texting using proper sentences and complete words.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jun 2013

No "U" for "you", no shorthand, or anything else.

It has to read like an actual sentence.

I'm an English major; what can you say?

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