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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:37 PM Jun 2013

I think Glen Greenwald and Edward Snowden are very scared right now.

Greenwald has hired an attorney, just in case something happens.

Snowden slipped out of his hotel room in Hong Kong and is maybe staying in a "safe house" of some sort. His worries are much deeper than whether he might need an attorney.

In my opinion, he fears for his life. That is why he is passing info to other reporters and journalists. Just in case something happens to him, the information will not disappear.

The jackals would love to drag his carcass into a cave as soon as possible before more embarrassing, or dangerous, leaks are made public. They are frantically trying to find him and remove him to a more comfortable setting, in my opinion.

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I think Glen Greenwald and Edward Snowden are very scared right now. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2013 OP
I am hoping Greenwald will do the cable shows tonight emulatorloo Jun 2013 #1
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #2
Sigh. You have proof the younger al awlaki was the target of that drone? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4
puh..lease..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #5
I see I'm debating the "Obama kills people if he doesn't like the look geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6
He was a 16 year old U.S. citizen whose father was executed without a trial or a chance to appear GoneFishin Jun 2013 #34
Your opinion is believable. delrem Jun 2013 #43
You aren't debating shit. delrem Jun 2013 #42
Reasonable minds can differ on that. Nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #47
Yes, we should be very supportive of embarrassing, dangerous leaks. randome Jun 2013 #3
I'm sure they will be relieved to hear that. kentuck Jun 2013 #8
If our country hasn't done anything wrong pscot Jun 2013 #25
spot on newmember Jun 2013 #33
And Greenwald says: Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #7
Somebody has been watching too much tv! I'm sure the clowns are BAH who hired FSogol Jun 2013 #9
Greenwald knew as did Snowden what they are up against xiamiam Jun 2013 #10
I just posted this in vid eoforum but it might give you an insight as to whether Greenwald is afraid xiamiam Jun 2013 #21
Yes, Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #31
Agree they knew what they are doing and Greenwald knows legally KoKo Jun 2013 #44
"fears for his life" ?? DCBob Jun 2013 #11
From his comments... kentuck Jun 2013 #13
I think he should fear for his freedom.. DCBob Jun 2013 #20
I'm not so pessimistic. delrem Jun 2013 #46
It's the fucking NSA. Yes. They and their buds in the CIA whack people. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #45
who's safehouse you reckon he is in? arely staircase Jun 2013 #12
I would say probably a journalist. kentuck Jun 2013 #17
I find it hard to beleive that now neither the CIA, Hong Kong or China's Intel agencies don't know discopants Jun 2013 #23
they are all listening to every word he says arely staircase Jun 2013 #24
He was staying down the road from a CIA output.. HipChick Jun 2013 #38
they wouldn't shut down his credit cards arely staircase Jun 2013 #41
Glen Greenwald IS an attorney. When an attorney hires an attorney... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #14
I'm not sure he's currently admitted to the bar. He got in trouble for illegally wiretapping okaawhatever Jun 2013 #48
I'd be surprised if Greenwald or Poitras show up in the US in the near future FarCenter Jun 2013 #15
Ah well, the Shrub can't travel to Europe pscot Jun 2013 #28
Good luck hiding from the BFEE!!! zappaman Jun 2013 #16
I don't think Greenwald has much to worry about unless he names names of CIA agents and spies. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #18
Greenwald is not afraid. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #19
There is no doubt in my mind Snowden will be a Chinese citizen soon. Greenwald has nothing to fear still_one Jun 2013 #29
I'd be scared too if I committed treason n/t eissa Jun 2013 #22
careful; you're channeling Boehner. pscot Jun 2013 #30
I don't. Greenwald has nothing to worry about, Snowden I suspect was planning this for a while still_one Jun 2013 #26
You watch too many movies alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #27
I don't think the plan was for Snowden to run to the Chinese railsback Jun 2013 #32
In my opinion, our government knows EXACTLY where Snowden is. George Gently Jun 2013 #35
They probably do, and are likely drawing up charges CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #39
I don't think so Progressive dog Jun 2013 #36
If he actually feared for his life, why claim publicly that he knows EVERY CIA outpost blm Jun 2013 #37
I don't see why, they got MAXIMUM attention, they knew they would, what's the problem?! n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #40

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Sigh. You have proof the younger al awlaki was the target of that drone?
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jun 2013

P.S. Papa Al awlaki did a lot more than make nasty videos

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. I see I'm debating the "Obama kills people if he doesn't like the look
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jun 2013

on their face" crowd.

I choose to debate actual people and events, not myths and bogeyman that people invent because reality is too nuanced.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
34. He was a 16 year old U.S. citizen whose father was executed without a trial or a chance to appear
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jun 2013

in front of a judge.

I can safely assume that some portion of U.S. citizens in those circumstances would at least attempt to find a lawyer and attempt some type of legal redress.

I can also safely assume that the administration would fight the process tooth and nail.

My opinion is they didn't need the bad PR, or whatever other type of fallout resulted.

I wonder what would happen if the kid was interviewed on talk shows and was likable?

I wonder what would happen if he defied the stereotypes and wasn't SCARY?

But he is not going to do any of these things. Because he is gone.

That's my opinion.





 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Yes, we should be very supportive of embarrassing, dangerous leaks.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:42 PM
Jun 2013

So long as they embarrass or endanger our country.

Their lives are not in danger. That's James Bond stuff. Snowden will be extradicted and Greenwald will be disgraced.

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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
7. And Greenwald says:
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jun 2013
Greenwald added, however, that the threat of prosecution would only encourage him to continue: “It’s not going to deter me or limit me or constrain me in any way from exercising my core First Amendment rights.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/12/glenn-greenwald-to-pete-king-bring-it-on/

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
9. Somebody has been watching too much tv! I'm sure the clowns are BAH who hired
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jun 2013

him are that mad/embarrassed to do him harm.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
10. Greenwald knew as did Snowden what they are up against
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jun 2013

If we are a nation of laws as we claim, then the law and the constitution will protect Greenwald..and ultimately, us and our way of life. Outside of the law, either of them have reason to be fearful.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
21. I just posted this in vid eoforum but it might give you an insight as to whether Greenwald is afraid
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jun 2013

it is part ten of a talk he gave on his book tour "with liberty and justice for some" ..he is protected by the constitution and knows it..inside and out. That is the battle in front of him and I for one couldn't be more pleased that he decided to take it on.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
31. Yes,
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jun 2013

But so far all we see is the NSA has legally stored phone numbers on their servers instead of on the phone companies.

And if that is what Snowden is protecting us from, then I wish him luck with the charges coming his way for stealing.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
44. Agree they knew what they are doing and Greenwald knows legally
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013

how far they can go. I'm not worried about either being "clueless," or fearing for their lives. They had to have some really strong backing to do what they did. There are Civil Libertarians who have big bucks and power of their own who also know what they are doing and supportive in the "background" in ways we aren't aware of.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. I think he should fear for his freedom..
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jun 2013

because he most likely will end up in jail eventually or holded up somewhere like China or Russia for the rest of his life.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
46. I'm not so pessimistic.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

That *could* happen.
Another future could be that because Greenwald's "cause" in this is part of a chorus, it may be joined by a significant majority of thinking people, so it will win. That isn't impossible, or even unlikely. I think it's probable, given the education in freedom built in American bones.

discopants

(535 posts)
23. I find it hard to beleive that now neither the CIA, Hong Kong or China's Intel agencies don't know
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jun 2013

exactly where he is …. they all want him and/or his files.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
24. they are all listening to every word he says
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

and watching every move he makes

if not they aren't doing their jobs

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
38. He was staying down the road from a CIA output..
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

I would not be shocked if agents were staying right next door in the hotel room

They know exactly where he is...

I wouldn't be shocked if they shutdown his credit cards....hope he took a lot of cash with him

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
41. they wouldn't shut down his credit cards
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jun 2013

but the cia, Chinese and every other ss in the world is watching and listening.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
14. Glen Greenwald IS an attorney. When an attorney hires an attorney...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:50 PM
Jun 2013

... they know they're in deep shit.

Glenn Greenwald (born March 6, 1967) is an American political journalist, lawyer, columnist, blogger, and author. ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_greenwald

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
48. I'm not sure he's currently admitted to the bar. He got in trouble for illegally wiretapping
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jun 2013

his client. I believe there were sanctions or something. I tried to look up an article on it to refresh my memory. He may not be able to practice right now. But yeah, he's got some 'splanin to do.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
18. I don't think Greenwald has much to worry about unless he names names of CIA agents and spies.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jun 2013

If he did that then he would be prosecuted. Snowden if caught will go to jail for life if caught.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. Greenwald is not afraid.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jun 2013

Snowden is relying on the good graces of the Chinese government, and is a fugitive from US law enforcement who'll face prison if he gets returned to the US. He should be afraid.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
32. I don't think the plan was for Snowden to run to the Chinese
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jun 2013

Kind of puts a damper on his 15 minutes.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
39. They probably do, and are likely drawing up charges
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jun 2013

Snowden may fancy himself the target of assassins, but he's just going face the U.S. justice system as a consequence of his actions. Some 'hero', fleeing his crime.

Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
36. I don't think so
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

Greenwald has nothing to fear from the US government and I think that Hong Kong Snowden planned this and knew what to expect.

blm

(113,095 posts)
37. If he actually feared for his life, why claim publicly that he knows EVERY CIA outpost
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jun 2013

around the world? Does he think other countries wouldn't bother to kidnap him and torture that information out of him?

Does he really trust that Russia and China have greater track records on human rights than the US justice system under this president?

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