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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:32 AM Jun 2013

Your eyelids are getting heavy... Soon you will fall into a deep sleep...

When I snap my fingers you will forget all about the central issue of abuse of state power, and concentrate only on what a bad man Snowden (Manning, Assange...) is.

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Your eyelids are getting heavy... Soon you will fall into a deep sleep... (Original Post) whatchamacallit Jun 2013 OP
1... 2... 3... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #1
We only have Snowden's character and his allegations to go on. randome Jun 2013 #2
No, you have to start from the correct premise, Obama bad, federal government bad, etc. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #13
He abandons ballerinas, you know. sibelian Jun 2013 #16
LOL Savannahmann Jun 2013 #3
Guess I shouldn't be surprised considering whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #4
Perhaps the plan all along? Snowden is CIA? The Guardian got played? Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #5
The TP Panopticon piece nails it. Thanks! whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #10
The money paragraph from the TP article.... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #11
Don't you GET IT? He touches GOATS. sibelian Jun 2013 #6
A true Jedi just stares at them. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #12
Fuck!! Are you telling me we can't touch GOATS???? I have 2 baby Nubians. Autumn Jun 2013 #15
. LWolf Jun 2013 #7
K&R! DU needs an enema! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #8
A Canadian Aerows Jun 2013 #9
Epic fail In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #14
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. We only have Snowden's character and his allegations to go on.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

Without being able to personally check out the NSA process ourselves, we are left with his character. How believable is he?

"I'm not going to hide" and yet he runs to Hong Kong.

So far, in the character department, he's not doing too well by me.

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Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
13. No, you have to start from the correct premise, Obama bad, federal government bad, etc.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

It's easy to ignore the issue of Snowden's character then.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
11. The money paragraph from the TP article....
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jun 2013
...

A citizenry that’s constantly on guard for secret, unaccountable surveillance is one that’s constantly being remade along the lines the state would prefer. Foucault illustrated this point by reference to a hypothetical prison called the Panopticon. Designed by utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham, the Panopticon is a prison where all cells can be seen from a central tower shielded such that the guards can see out but the prisoners can’t see in. The prisoners in the Panopticon could thus never know whether they were being surveilled, meaning that they have to, if they want to avoid running the risk of severe punishment, assume that they were being watched at all times. Thus, the Panopticon functioned as an effective tool of social control even when it wasn’t being staffed by a single guard.

....

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/07/2120141/why-the-nsas-secret-online-surveillance-should-scare-you/


Now, consider this from DemocracyNow this morning:

....

AMY GOODMAN: What’s wrong with that?

TIM SHORROCK: What’s wrong with that is that it’s a for-profit operation. Many times, you have—inside these agencies, you have contractors overseeing other contractors, contractors, you know, giving advice to the agency about how to set its policies, what kind of technology to buy. And, of course, they have relationships with all the companies that they work with or that they suggest to the leaders of U.S. intelligence.

And I think, you know, a terrible example of this is, you know, a few months ago, I wrote a cover story for The Nation magazine about the NSA whistleblowers that you’ve had on this show a few times—Tom Drake, Bill Binney and the other two—and, you know, they blew the whistle on a huge project called Trailblazer that was contracted out to SAIC that was a complete failure. And this project was designed, from the beginning, by Booz Allen, Northrop Grumman and a couple other corporations who advised the NSA about how to acquire this project, and then decided amongst themselves to give it to SAIC, and then SAIC promised the skies and never produced anything, and the project was finally canceled in 2005.
....

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/11/digital_blackwater_how_the_nsa_gives

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
6. Don't you GET IT? He touches GOATS.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jun 2013

GOATS.

Did you know that one of his eyebrows is slightly higher than the other?

Your priorities, sir, are idiosyncratic TO. SAY. THE. LEAST.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
15. Fuck!! Are you telling me we can't touch GOATS???? I have 2 baby Nubians.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

Guess they are going to die now because I just can't be mistaken for Snowden.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
9. A Canadian
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jun 2013

wants to give you one, since they hang out on our message board while our country sucks so much.

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