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“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?” (Original Post) a kennedy Jun 2013 OP
Snowden is NOT a whistleblower. Whisleblowers leak illegal things. Stuff Snowden leaked was legal. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #1
Whistleblowers leak immoral things. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #2
Whistleblower - someone who exposes wrongdoing within an organisation. Doesn't have to be illegal. idwiyo Jun 2013 #4
You mean like oh...the Pentagon papers nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5
How many times have you posted this today? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #6
i'll go with Daniel Ellsberg's definition of whistleblower if you don't mind.. frylock Jun 2013 #8
Please Google "false equivalency" nt jazzimov Jun 2013 #3
To answer the question Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #7

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
1. Snowden is NOT a whistleblower. Whisleblowers leak illegal things. Stuff Snowden leaked was legal.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jun 2013

He should be arrested and put on trial.



BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
2. Whistleblowers leak immoral things.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:30 PM
Jun 2013

While I understand people will debate what is moral and not, it is not so cut-and-dried right now.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
4. Whistleblower - someone who exposes wrongdoing within an organisation. Doesn't have to be illegal.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jun 2013

Can be legal and morally wrong.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. You mean like oh...the Pentagon papers
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jun 2013

Or in the case of Joe Serpico NYPD operating procedures?

Here I am face palming

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
6. How many times have you posted this today?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jun 2013

Whether or not Snowden is arrested and put on trial, this is stuff the public needs to know about. How can Congress practice oversight on a program most of them are not briefed on and no one can discuss? How can anyone even determine if the program works, that it is not just a busy-work program for the intelligence/industrial complex, that it is not being or cannot be abused? A secret program with secret rules decided upon by a handful of people in secret? That no one can even challenge because it's, you know, secret.

My senator (Mark Udall) has been waving his arms about this for years. But he couldn't do anything, or really say anything, because National Security. And secrets.

I for one am glad Snowden leaked. I for one will be glad if this results in a REAL discussion, and a rewrite or repeal of an overly-permissive and vague law. I personally don't care if this program is legal, I don't think it should be, or at the very least, nobody should be deciding that in secret.

If that was Snowden's motive, more power to him. I hope he has the fortitude to face the consequences but I'm not going to condemn him for not trusting the government. That's what checks and balances were designed to do. In reality where was the check on this program?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
8. i'll go with Daniel Ellsberg's definition of whistleblower if you don't mind..
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

I just trust him a little more than I trust you.

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