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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 01:57 PM Jun 2013

Apparently Snowden is running out of money and maxing out his credit cards

National Security Leaker Edward Snowden Is Running Out Of Money To Pay His Hotel Bill

The man responsible for one of the biggest U.S. intelligence leaks in history, 29-year old Edward Snowden, has been staying in a room in a Hong Kong hotel for the past three weeks.

And now, says CNN, he is running out of money.

One of the two Guardian reporters who broke the story with Snowden, Ewen MacAskill, says the cost of the hotel is beginning to max out Snowden's credit card.

The Guardian reporters, Glenn Greenwald and MacAskill, who are also in Hong Kong, declined to reveal what hotel Snowden is staying in.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-running-out-of-money-2013-6

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Apparently Snowden is running out of money and maxing out his credit cards (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP
what was his plan? warrior1 Jun 2013 #1
I don't think he ever had a plan Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #2
Begging I guess. And Glenn is also soliciting donations for himself. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #3
yep. this sure sounds like a donation drive to me. Whisp Jun 2013 #9
Are his parents alive? All I've heard about is a girlfriend that no one has seen. randome Jun 2013 #4
Yes I think so Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #8
Yes, his dad expressed concern LeftInTX Jun 2013 #11
Can they be arrested if they send him money? marshall Jun 2013 #47
Wait. How can it be "one of the biggest U.S. intelligence leaks in history" and morningfog Jun 2013 #5
Pretty much the same way that Darrell Issa will be having us..... wandy Jun 2013 #18
it is just enough new information to get the chinese to trust him arely staircase Jun 2013 #24
Just covering all the bases to maximize reader inclusion Sheepshank Jun 2013 #27
There are two different kinds of things going on. Igel Jun 2013 #45
OMFG, premium Jun 2013 #6
Is this the 11th or 12th thing we should know about him? hootinholler Jun 2013 #7
Accusing other DUers of getting "Paid" is only a slur on you and others who Cha Jun 2013 #41
I didn't see an opinion in the OP hootinholler Jun 2013 #46
Keep digging. Cha Jun 2013 #48
Ok, then where is the opinion hootinholler Jun 2013 #53
It was reported earlier today that he's checked out of the hotel. B2G Jun 2013 #10
Apparently? Either he is or isnt still_one Jun 2013 #12
Why is he staying in a hotel in Hong Kong? brush Jun 2013 #13
Because he likes their freedoms. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #16
Oh, make no mistake. Laelth Jun 2013 #28
but what does it say to the world when a NSA contractor feels safer in china? Monkie Jun 2013 #52
So if he's using a credit card to pay for the hotel room, surely the government knows JoePhilly Jun 2013 #14
This is the same oppressive, fascist state that can't catch Julian Assange! randome Jun 2013 #15
Exactly. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #22
Do you realise the paradox you may have surfaced here.............. wandy Jun 2013 #25
And the bartender says ... "I heard that yesterday". JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26
Now I;m scared. I think I'm turning into Alex Jones........... wandy Jun 2013 #30
I've already heard about that thread ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #31
He already checked out before his identity was revealed. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #34
Then why are we bring told that he is "hiding" there. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #40
Your embarassing yourself now. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #17
Now? morningfog Jun 2013 #19
good point Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #23
Sorry. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #20
No, it is you who's doing that. She's posting Facts. Cha Jun 2013 #43
If Bussiness insider knows where he is, and the Government wants him... Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #21
So it's a big secret which hotel he is staying at...but he maxes out a credit card? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #29
Me, up thread ... lol. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #33
so.....lets assume this doesn't make sense.... Sheepshank Jun 2013 #36
There are a couple differences ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #39
But they are the same, in that there is a strong public following, who have been solicited for funds Sheepshank Jun 2013 #49
He checked out before his identity was revealed. Business Insider is a bit behind the news cycle. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #35
I'm not sure, given everything "out there", Sheepshank Jun 2013 #37
They've rebranded Chungking Mansion as Chungking House BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #32
This guy is an idiot... HipChick Jun 2013 #38
Shhh it's a big secret.. But, the NSA can find him, right? Cha Jun 2013 #42
Rand Paul can help him with his bills. AlinPA Jun 2013 #44
I'm surprised the credit card is still functioning. roamer65 Jun 2013 #50
and they can certainly find out what hotel he's staying at if he's charging it. the story is HiPointDem Jun 2013 #57
$200k/yr, can't afford a hotel. tridim Jun 2013 #51
^^^^^^ moondust Jun 2013 #54
And, what's that about him "not taking any cyber related classes at Cha Jun 2013 #55
if he's using a credit card, they know where he is. duh. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #56
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
9. yep. this sure sounds like a donation drive to me.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:08 PM
Jun 2013

and seeing as Snowden has already been blessed as the hero of the century and truthsayer of all time by some, the cash will be coming in from the gullibles in large amounts.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Are his parents alive? All I've heard about is a girlfriend that no one has seen.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jun 2013

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

marshall

(6,665 posts)
47. Can they be arrested if they send him money?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jun 2013

Aiding and abetting, comfort to the enemy, or whatever the government wants to charge them with.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. Wait. How can it be "one of the biggest U.S. intelligence leaks in history" and
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jun 2013

commonly known since at least 2006. You can't have it both ways.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
18. Pretty much the same way that Darrell Issa will be having us.....
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

rehash Benghazi for the next three and a half years every time their is a lul in the news.
It's scandal season don't 'cha Know.
Did they find that blue dress yet?
Oh wait wrong scandal season.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
24. it is just enough new information to get the chinese to trust him
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jun 2013

but not enough to really hurt his US handlers.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
45. There are two different kinds of things going on.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jun 2013

There are the actual programs (or, in the case of Prism, the program). Collection of metadate. Surveillance of overseas emails. That sort of thing. Old stuff.

Then there are the claims about stuff surrounding the programs. The ability for anybody, well, if they have sufficient authority, to eavesdrop on phone calls of anybody in the US within a few seconds of making the decision to eavesdrop. The claim that he's done so.

The claim, or at least the inference, that the data extraction is automatic, in real time, and all-encompassing without the need of a court order. For both all telephone call information as well as Internet metadata and, to be as thorough in one's inference as possible, Internet data.

This would be one of the biggest intelligence leaks in history. Sort of. It leaks precious little actual intelligence, to be honest. Manning leaked more intelligence. But it's less importantly in geopolitical terms--the Manning oath-breaking in pursuit of his own morality mostly confirmed what had been said and pointed out a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that led to pretty much nothing. The Snowden leak would point out pretty much nothing, if people were paying attention, but calls all kinds of stuff to the potential bad guys' attention. And, if the last couple of charges are true, could create some really serious damage for the NSA and other intelligence services.

Now, for the eavesdropping/listening-in claim he should have some evidence. He doesn't. He has a claim that those who have always believed the government were doing these things whole-heartedly (already) believe(d).

Same for the all-encompassing "everything's monitored" claim. Another "I want to believe" moment.

He does adduce "evidence"--but the evidence, although light, has extreme angular momentum. In other words, it's being spun at a prodigious rate. It doesn't confirm what he says--it's merely consonant with what he said. It can be taken as being in agreement with what he said. But it's also in agreement with what Obama's administration's said. It's all in the interpretation, in what context you want it to have. That's sucky evidence.

However, the information he does provide, although old and out of context, is taken by some as indisputable confirmation of the unconfirmed claims. A simple CT sacn--a "critical thinking scan"--puts most of the "largest intelligence leaks in history" claim on hold.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
6. OMFG,
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jun 2013

I guess this means that we can't believe a thing he says, quick, let's start another thread about how he is mean to his animals now.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
41. Accusing other DUers of getting "Paid" is only a slur on you and others who
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jun 2013

can't take a different opinion than their own exhalted one.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
46. I didn't see an opinion in the OP
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jun 2013

I did see a continuation of a series of ad hominem attacks which are adding to the noise in an already noisy (or low signal) situation.

I do not claim the OP is paid to post here or anywhere, but simply offer the observation that if they apply the enthusiasm they show here to their profession, they should be well paid.

brush

(53,871 posts)
13. Why is he staying in a hotel in Hong Kong?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jun 2013

What's wrong with his house or apartment here in the U.S.? Or did he work in Hong Kong?

Makes it seem like he's running.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
28. Oh, make no mistake.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

He is running. The U.S. is rather powerful, and he is quite afraid.

-Laelth

 

Monkie

(1,301 posts)
52. but what does it say to the world when a NSA contractor feels safer in china?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jun 2013

isnt that the message you can take from this, he was in the inside, i assume he is better informed than you are.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
14. So if he's using a credit card to pay for the hotel room, surely the government knows
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

EXACTLY where he is and even what he had for breakfast.

I mean, after all, we live in a police state now.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. This is the same oppressive, fascist state that can't catch Julian Assange!
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jun 2013

If the Truly Powerful are this incompetent, we have nothing to worry about!

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

wandy

(3,539 posts)
25. Do you realise the paradox you may have surfaced here..............
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jun 2013

Five security experts walk into the police state bar.
They are very good at watching for damaging leaks.
They are so good that they even watch each other.
One security expert leaks damaging information.
And the bartender says.......

wandy

(3,539 posts)
30. Now I;m scared. I think I'm turning into Alex Jones...........
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jun 2013

'4 Intelligence Officials' Allegedly Joke Of 'Disappearing' NSA Leaker, Reporter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022984773

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
40. Then why are we bring told that he is "hiding" there.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jun 2013

If he used his credit card to pay for the room, even if before the leak, the government now knows where he is.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
43. No, it is you who's doing that. She's posting Facts.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jun 2013

Too bad you didn't read the whole article.. it's actually says good things about Edward Snowden.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
21. If Bussiness insider knows where he is, and the Government wants him...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jun 2013

Drones will darken the skies over Hong Kong.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
29. So it's a big secret which hotel he is staying at...but he maxes out a credit card?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

interesting bit of idiocy from a man who appears to be in hiding and knows how things can be tracked and spied upon.

Anyone else see the irony in this?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
33. Me, up thread ... lol.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jun 2013

He could tap the President's phone ... but forgets that his credit card can be tracked?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
36. so.....lets assume this doesn't make sense....
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jun 2013

what are we left with...except a Zimmerman type fund raiser, where there is no obligation for this guy to account for any of the donations. And this is all different from the Palin grifter processes, how?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
39. There are a couple differences ...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

In Zimmerman's case, he did something that should be illegal, probably with out actually planning to do it initially, and then after, has set up a way to make money. Here the grift is a reaction to a situation.

Palin, while surely a grifter, has done nothing illegal.

This guy seems to have planned to do what he did knowing it was illegal and that he'd be in trouble. And you can't use the money if you end up in jail. It seems like a high risk grift if cashing in was part of the original plan.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
49. But they are the same, in that there is a strong public following, who have been solicited for funds
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jun 2013

.......granted one was more directly than the other.

But the similarity for exists on the basic level, that many of those followers have decide that this is somehow a test case for their personal preferences and are willing to pay this other person to play guinea pig in a court of law to test their personal presumptions.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
37. I'm not sure, given everything "out there",
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jun 2013

there was ever a hope of secrecy...when using a credit card that is almost maxed out.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
38. This guy is an idiot...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jun 2013

His credit card transactions can be traced, and its pretty easy to figure out what hotel he is staying at

Cha

(297,692 posts)
42. Shhh it's a big secret.. But, the NSA can find him, right?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013
If the U.S. intelligence apparatus is anything like as powerful as what Snowden describes, however, it probably won't be long until he is located. And at that point, a hotel bill will probably be the least of Snowden's concerns
.

Time for a fundraiser so he can be comfortable while not "hiding"..

Snowden told the Post “I’m not going to hide,” but his future is uncertain.

Hong Kong and the U.S. maintain a bilateral extradition treaty, but it includes exceptions for political crimes. It is unclear how the Chinese government, which maintains significant influence in the Special Administrative Region, will react to Snowden’s presence or how they will treat him. He told the Post that he is seeking “asylum from any countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimization of global privacy.”

http://swampland.time.com/2013/06/09/four-things-to-know-about-surveillance-leaker-edward-snowden


 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
57. and they can certainly find out what hotel he's staying at if he's charging it. the story is
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jun 2013

ridiculous.

as the guy planned this jaunt, i seriously doubt he just planned to charge everything.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
55. And, what's that about him "not taking any cyber related classes at
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jun 2013

the Community College"?

Community College Says NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Took No "Cyber-Related Classes"

But here's an interesting wrinkle: Baum says Snowden took no "cyber-related courses" at this college. Nor did he take any classes in the college's NSA-certified "Information Systems Security" program, which focuses on safeguarding computer data and networks, though he went on to work in a related field for the government and in the private sector. It's unclear whether Snowden studied computing elsewhere.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-community-college-computers

Just sayin'
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