Please think about your "reasonable expectation of privacy"

[NightWatcher]

Please don't expect privacy on the:

Phone
Email
Internet
Your vehicle
Your place of employment
Your Computer files
Any public space

If you want privacy, lock the door when you go to the privy in your house.

If you want to keep something secret, keep it in your head. If you wish to share it, whisper it into someone else's ear.

[The Magistrate]

1. As The saying Goes, Sir

"Any three people can keep a secret, providing two of them are dead."

[markiv]

2. the single most incredible thing about the Verizon story

is that there now is actually a telecom company that now sucks more than Sprint

didnt think that was possible

[Tx4obama]

3. Unless a judge were to issues an order/subpoena - all they have is my phone # and...

... and number of minutes a call lasted (they do NOT even have the name of the person of the phone).

I do not see anything to be outraged about.

A phone book has more details than that.

[markiv]

4. 'A phone book has more details than that. '

wow - your phone book has a log of everyone you've ever called?

your landfill must be busting at the seams

[Tx4obama]

7. I was talking about 'name' and 'address'

And the NSA doesn't get to see who calls who unless there a judge signs an order on each individual case.

The tele-com folks only keep their records for something like 30-90 days.

That is not long enough if records need to be looked at that are older than that.

In the event of terrorist attacks here in the USA the government needs to be able to 'fully investigate' the criminals - with out being able to subpoena phone records lots of the folks involved wouldn't be able to be exposed.

[WinkyDink]

8. This edict circumvents subpoenas.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Where have you got "a judge signs an order on each individual case" from?

It might be true; but, at this stage, we have to realise that, unless they have explicitly stated something, we shouldn't assume that any kind of interpretation of what they say is correct.

For instance, looking at the AP stories on what Clapper has said this night:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/intelligence-chief-blasts-nsa-document-leaks
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NSA_PHONE_RECORDS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-07-03-17-07

The court also prohibits the government from indiscriminately rummaging through the phone data, which he said can only be queried when there are specific facts to back up a reasonable suspicion of an association with a foreign terrorist group. He says officials allowed to access the records must be specially cleared and are trained in the court-approved procedures.

House Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said that once the data has been collected, officials still must follow "a court-approved method and a series of checks and balances to even make the query on a particular number."

Now, that doesn't say they have to go to a judge each time. It just says there are 'court-approved procedures'. It doesn't say that a judge has to agree about the 'reasonable suspicion'; it may well mean that an NSA employee can say "I have a reasonable suspicion", write down what it is, and, if necessary, another NSA employee will review it.

There's nothing in either article about a court, or a judge, getting involved in individual cases - just the renewal every 90 days of the blanket "collect all call data, and don't tell anyone you're doing it" order, and that a court approved the process, at some time.

[YeahSureRight]

5. This place is a treasure trove of personal info that people post here

If someone was really wanted to they could use the very public info personal info that is available on DU for nefarious purposes.


One can take many precautions to limit their electronic data exposure and I highly recommend it to all.

[elehhhhna]

6. you forgot our pussies

[olddots]

9. I was raised to be paranoid/careful

The conveniences we have are riddled with draw backs , they monitor us because they can with the push of a button and it's our job to figure out how they won't be able to .