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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:28 PM Feb 2012

A 2008 law requires ALL Brazilian high school students to study PHILOSOPHY for 3 years!

Getting out of the cave and seeing things as they really are: that’s what philosophy is about, according to Almira Ribeiro. Ribeiro teaches the subject in a high school in Itapuã, a beautiful, poor, violent neighborhood on the periphery of Salvador, capital of the state of Bahia in Brazil’s northeast. She is the most philosophically passionate person I’ve ever met.

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“But seeing things as they really are isn’t enough,” Ribeiro insists. As in Plato’s parable in The Republic, the students must go back to the cave and apply what they’ve learned. Their lives give them rich opportunities for such application. The contrast between the new luxury hotels along the beach and Itapuã’s overcrowded streets gives rise to questions about equality and justice. Children kicking around a can introduce a discussion about democracy: football is one of the few truly democratic practices here; success depends on merit, not class privilege. Moving between philosophy and practice, the students can revise their views in light of what Plato, Hobbes, or Locke had to say about equality, justice, and democracy and discuss their own roles as political agents.

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The official rationale for the 2008 law is that philosophy “is necessary for the exercise of citizenship.” The law—the world’s largest-scale attempt to bring philosophy into the public sphere—thus represents an experiment in democracy. Among teachers at least, many share Ribeiro’s hope that philosophy will provide a path to greater civic participation and equality. Can it do even more? Can it teach students to question and challenge the foundations of society itself?


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But can philosophy really become part of ordinary life? Wasn’t Socrates executed for trying? Athenians didn’t thank him for guiding them to the examined life, but instead accused him of spreading moral corruption and atheism. Plato concurs: Socrates failed because most citizens just aren’t philosophers in his view. To make them question the beliefs and customs they were brought up in isn’t useful because they can’t replace them with examined ones. So Socrates ended up pushing them into nihilism. To build politics on a foundation of philosophy, Plato concludes, doesn’t mean turning all citizens into philosophers, but putting true philosophers in charge of the city—like parents in charge of children. I wonder, though, why Plato didn’t consider the alternative: If citizens had been trained in dialectic debate from early on—say, starting in high school—might they have reacted differently to Socrates? Perhaps the Brazilian experiment will tell.





http://www.bostonreview.net/BR37.1/carlos_fraenkel_brazil_teaching_philosophy.php




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A 2008 law requires ALL Brazilian high school students to study PHILOSOPHY for 3 years! (Original Post) snagglepuss Feb 2012 OP
Very curious to see this statistically. Lost-in-FL Feb 2012 #1
It's the exposure to philosophy that is impressive. snagglepuss Feb 2012 #4
Absolutely! Lost-in-FL Feb 2012 #6
How many is a brazillian? Mnemosyne Feb 2012 #2
Wonder what the syllabus looks like? FarCenter Feb 2012 #3
Pompous much? angstlessk Feb 2012 #5
That's High School we are talking about not a PhD Lost-in-FL Feb 2012 #7
Studying atomists is time better spent on atomic physics FarCenter Feb 2012 #10
I had a philosophy class in senior year of high school. NYC Liberal Feb 2012 #8
I had philosophy in HS burrowowl Feb 2012 #9
I took a Sophomore level elective in college Sgent Feb 2012 #11

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
1. Very curious to see this statistically.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:38 PM
Feb 2012

Sounds like a great idea. However, I don't think it would work here. Let's face it, some states are teaching creationism as science so imagine philosophy. I had to suffer the agony of reading St Augustine's 'Confessions' and St Aquinas "Summa Theologica" as a Master course, imagine me reading that in HS… ?

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
6. Absolutely!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:57 PM
Feb 2012

It takes a certain type of teacher to teach philosophy. I am glad they can enjoy their lectures.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
2. How many is a brazillian?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:53 PM
Feb 2012


I am very pleased to see a country which encourages thought, rather than our current system. Why can't this work here?
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
3. Wonder what the syllabus looks like?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:59 PM
Feb 2012

Teaching philosophy from a historical perspective is probably a poor idea, since much of the philosophical writings of early philosophers are considered to be invalid by later philosophers.

And then there is the encroachment of social, biological and physical sciences, as well as information theory and theory of computation on philosophical topics. Philosophers are not much better than theologian in agreeing on a systematic modern synthesis.

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
7. That's High School we are talking about not a PhD
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:13 AM
Feb 2012

A program can be written to include elements of philosophy to teach a few basic lessons. One example was already given in the article, the implications of Plato's Cave. Other basic ideas or teaching could also include the theories of Pre-Socratics philosophers (for example The Atomists) who spoke of atoms centuries before the discovery of a microscope. Or Heraclitus for another example, how everything is in constant change, etc. Hypatia (one of the first women philosophers?), etc. etc.

I am not a teacher but, IMO there is a lot they can learn from philosophy.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. Studying atomists is time better spent on atomic physics
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:14 PM
Feb 2012

There is no value in recapitulating the errors and successes of the past, when the errors are known and the successes were accidental. What should be taught is the current view of philosophical topics, not a study of the writings of dead, mostly white, mostly male, and often wrong philosophers.

We don't teach phlogiston theory on the way to introducing the physics of heat and thermodynamics. We no longer describe an "ether" though which electromagnetic waves propagate.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
8. I had a philosophy class in senior year of high school.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:09 AM
Feb 2012

Being a Catholic school, it started with Socrates, Plato, etc. but gradually leaned toward the Catholic philosophers and proofs for the existence of God. Nonetheless, we had a very good teacher and we spent a lot of time in class debating the merits of those arguments - both their strengths and their faults.

Everyone should take a philosophy class because, regardless of its immediate practical use, it teaches you to think critically; that helps in every single area of life. And it's not like we have too much critical thinking in this country!

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
9. I had philosophy in HS
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:23 AM
Feb 2012

Catholic of course and it was a good thing, even took philosophy as an elective in college.
I America I think we should we should reinstate the teaching of civics and go from there.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
11. I took a Sophomore level elective in college
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:53 PM
Feb 2012

and had a brief overview of it in a general humanities class in HS. I also had a bit of logic in one of miscellaneous topics math classes.

I don't know about three years of it, but I could easily see one year of it at the HS level. Area's I would include would be:

Logic
Philosophy of knowledge (esp. Philosophy of Science / Scientific Method)
General topics on various of the "greats"
Ethical Philosophy (Unitarian, other theories underlying ethical thought).

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