49% of Americans in favor of Iran strike

[azurnoir]

Recent poll by Pulse Opinion Research shows half of American public in favor of strike on Islamic Republic

Nearly half of American voters think the United States should use military force to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, according to a poll conducted for The Hill newspaper, which covers events relating to the Congress.

According to the poll, 49% of respondents said military force should be used, while 31% said it should not and 20% were not sure.

In addition, 62% of respondents said they were somewhat or very concerned about Iran launching a terror attack against the United States, while 37% said they were not very concerned or not at all concerned.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4187957,00.html

[bowens43]

1. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Yup

Some of the biggest morons on the planet.

[movonne]

18. I don't believe for one second this poll...this is

put out in the Jewish media...

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Ynet is ISRAELI media.

But your implications are clear.

[movonne]

32. Thank you .... that sounds much better....

[azurnoir]

47. Thanks for pointing that out

why would Israeli media run a poll that would make it appear that Americans favor bombing Iran?

[lumpy]

2. Blood thirsty Americans bowing to fear.

nt

[gratuitous]

12. I'll go along with that

Responsible voices for non-military solutions don't get time or space in the popular media. It's no wonder our militaristic society, awash in violence and addicted to the glamour and sexiness of big explosions (as long as they aren't visited on us) so heavily favors the military as the panacea for all problems, real and imagined.

Our national religion isn't some narrow-minded Catholic bishop, issuing health proclamations by fiat, science be damned. Our national religion is the High Church of Redemptive Violence, which we look to first, last and forever to resolve our difficulties. Ignore the facts on the ground, the expense, the inefficiency, the inefficacy, the death, the slaughter, the mayhem. Violence is the rock of our national salvation, and woe to anyone who endorses a heretical dissent.

[smirkymonkey]

3. 49% of Americans are Bat Shit Crazy

It just keeps getting worse. I always think people are going to wake up and get a clue, and instead they just dig themselves in deeper.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

4. You stole my line.

The stupid, it burns...

[hifiguy]

9. You can always count on a sizable percentage of the populace

to double-down on teh stoopid every time.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

5. Did the survey point out that

attacking Iran well might lead to around-the-block lines at gas stations, steep hikes in prices for everything that has to be shipped, and a plunge back into recession?

The Iranians have promised if attacked to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's seaborne crude oil must pass, and they apparently have the means to do so. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002287447 .

[BeyondGeography]

6. A nation of threat surfers

Why are Americans so bored?

[ProSense]

7. Ah

bullshit!

Pulse Opinion Research is a hack organization

What Do Rasmussen And Pulse Opinion Research Have In Common?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/14/what-do-rasmussen-and-pul_n_716783.html

[Owlet]

22. Pulse is a Rasmussen spinoff used to settle bar bets

Not the most reliable of pollsters. "Representative national sample": riiiiiight.

"The pollster’s newest venture, Pulse Opinion Research, will allow anyone to commission a scientific, nationwide poll for the price of an IKEA sofa. Have a long-lasting feud about what America really thinks about a topic? Settle it for $600.

'Soon, anyone can go to the [Pulse] website, type in their credit card number, and run any poll that they wanted, with any language that they want,” said Rasmussen. “In effect, you will be able to do your own poll, and Rasmussen will provide the platform to ensure that the polling includes a representative national sample.'

Any doubts over even trivial aspects of American public opinion can soon be stifled by hard data – coming to anyone with a desire to know and a willingness to forego the purchase of a TYLÖSAND couch. “Anyone can get in on it… I would expect Republicans to use it, and Democrats, and Green Party candidates and libertarians, and guys who just want to settle a bet,'”
Rasmussen told FrumForum.

http://www.frumforum.com/rasmussens-newest-venture-could-change-bar-fights-forever

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. Zing!!

[Rex]

45. Thank you!

Why did I know that it would turn out to be bullshit.

[sinkingfeeling]

10. I don't believe that for a second. Saw a couple of other polls on the same

that were running 60 to 70% against military involvment.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. You shouldn't believe it.

This is what the article says: Nearly half of American voters think the United States should use military force to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, according to a poll conducted for The Hill newspaper, which covers events relating to the Congress. Here is what the actual question was: Should US Be Willing to Use Military Force to Prevent Iran from Getting Nuclear Weapons? Do you see the difference? I sure as hell do!

[woo me with science]

39. Thank you.

Polling on military involvement has generally been in this range. They are working on it.

[spanone]

11. bullshit

i don't buy it.

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Of course they are. They have nothing to watch on TV until March Madness

The NBA that is, not the new war.

[Raven]

14. Find out who they are and send them over there. n/t

[Politicalboi]

17. I like that

They should round them up and send their asses there. LOL!

[former9thward]

19. You have a point but a possibly faulty assumption.

You are assuming those with lower intelligence favor an Iran strike while those with higher are against. No evidence about that.

[L0oniX]

25. ...and they are working to make that % larger.

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. Panetta & Pentagon admits their "bunker buster" bombs cannot penetrate Iran's underground facilities

how much of the public knows this?

link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002292670

.

[azurnoir]

51. Not to darn many I'd wager

but still no matter how the question from the poll is parsed the split comes out almost the same as the political split in the US

[Douglas Carpenter]

52. a lot of people seem to think that a couple of quick bombing raids and it's over

[Obama3_16]

21. I think people want something to vent their frustrations about their sad lives

and a good old bombing or war will do that even if it causes senseless death and further craters our economy.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. Here is the actual poll...

http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2012/02_february/crosstabs_20120202_thehill.pdf

On edit: don't forget to read the exciting, spine-tingling results for this question:

Approve or Disapprove of Building Permanent Moon Base In Next Decade?

[Ruby the Liberal]

31. OMG. "Should the US be willing" was the question?

Nice push poll, azurnoir.

Got something NOT originated by someone with $1,500 and conducted by Faux?

LOL

[azurnoir]

41. Lol Ruby thanks for once again hostile reply to this on now 2 threads

I wonder would it have so hostile had this poll been posted from say oh NYT or Miami Herald? or did the source of the OP say every bit as much as the stats it posted?

[azurnoir]

40. Should US Be Willing to Use Military Force to Prevent Iran from Getting Nuclear Weapons?

that is how its stated in the poll isn't it? which means Ynet was a bit more accurate than I thought I felt it was purest BS

[leveymg]

55. Same .49 polled approved of building permanent moon bases. I bet.

[L0oniX]

24. Stats from the "pulled out of my ass" poll?

[titaniumsalute]

26. So 49% of Americans are for $10/gallon gasoline??

[Earth_First]

27. So according to Fox, if we add the 49% in favor of military force + 62% who are somewhat/very...

concerned,

We get a whopping 111% in favor of an attack on Iran!

See how that works...?

[woo me with science]

30. The "What If" speech:

The "What If" Speech

“Madame Speaker, I have a few questions for my colleagues. What if our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interests? What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?

What if propping up oppressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel? What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us? What if some day it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair trade off for the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistani, or Afghan people are killed or displaced?

What if we finally decide that torture even if called “enhanced interrogation technique” is self destructive and produces no useful information and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?

What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy? What if all war time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing? What if we finally see that war time conditions always undermine personal liberty?

What if conservatives who preach small government wake up and realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government? What if conservatives understood once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?

What if the American people woke up and understood that the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests? What if we as a nation came to realize that the quest for empire eventually destroys all great nations? What if Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq? What if a military draft is being planned for, for the wars that will spread if our foreign policy is not changed?

What if the American people learn the truth that our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security and that it never changes from one administration to the next? What if war and preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests? What if president Obama is completely wrong about Afghanistan and it turns out worse than Iraq and Vietnam - put together? What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression? What if diplomacy is found to be superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?

What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded? Nothing. But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored? Nothing good.”

And I yield back the balance of my time.”


This was spoken by Ron Paul in front of the House of Representatives in February 2009. Dennis Kucinich would endorse this, and probably a few other Democrats, as well....but not the Democrats in the spotlight...the Democrats we need to be saying things like this.

This is why I am glad Ron Paul is still in the race. And, no, this is not an endorsement for voting for him. But why is it that the only politician in the national spotlight we hear speaking these truths, actually using the word "warmongering" during a debate and talking about corporate benefit from these atrocities, is an extreme libertarian who would also rip away our safety nets and abolish critical government functions and safeguards?

We desperately need a national conversation about these things. We should have had a DEMOCRATIC candidate saying these things.

The only way things will change is to get the money out of politics. We must take back our party from the corporate interests who have purchased it and our media, and who are guiding the national conversation.

Support OWS

[azurnoir]

42. while I do not support Ron Paul

I think you got it except Ynet is an Israeli paper

[GeorgeGist]

33. Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon

http://www.theonion.com/articles/iran-worried-us-might-be-building-8500th-nuclear-w,27325/

[marmar]

34. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave ...........

......... is home to the most easily propagandized citizens in the "free" world.

[Hubert Flottz]

35. Iran is a much bigger target than Iraq was.

They might just fight back.

[hunter]

36. They can go first... Let's charter some planes...

... and drop them on the Iranians like a WKRP Thanksgiving promotion.

[RZM]

37. That would drop precipitously once the strike occured

Support for the Iraq War was much higher than 49 percent at the beginning and look where that ended up.

*On edit*

BTW I'm also skeptical about this poll in the first place. I'd bet the 'true' number of people who genuinely desire a strike is a decent amount lower than 49 percent. And even that number would drop further once a strike happened.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. The "Home of the Brave" get the jimjams when the MIC erects scary bogeymen.

[Rex]

43. Have sheep? Will travel.

nt

[Poll_Blind]

44. And 62 million voted Bush into a second term. I rest my case. nt

PB

[Progression]

46. Flawed Polling?

I seriously question the manner in which this poll was conducted. In times like these with significant economic strain, did that many respondents really favor another war? Are the previous wars not expensive enough?

[FLAprogressive]

48. People still don't grasp the concept of mutual assured destruction....

...and the fact that we have hundreds of nukes compared to....ONE.

Iran's not going to do anything. They're just playing into paranoia.

They know they'd be annihilated if they did anything.

[azurnoir]

50. it is not just the US that reputedly has 100's of nukes

the 'other' Iran war 'booster' reputedly has hundreds of nukes too

[Initech]

49. Great. Last thing we need is trillions costing unwinnable war.

[Generic Brad]

53. Nice propaganda poll

Still not believing it.

[TwilightGardener]

54. After all we've been through for the past ten years...

this country is fucking insane.