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http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/cop_used_taser_gun_on_10_year_old_boy/
A New Mexico police officer used a Taser gun on a 10-year-old boy to demonstrate what cops do to people who dont follow orders, according to a complaint heard by a Sante Fe court Tuesday.
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According to the complaint, Webb shot his Taser at the child (referred to only as R.D.) after he said he did not want to join fellow classmates in cleaning the officers patrol car. Courthouse News reported:
Defendant Webb responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police. Webb then shot two barbs into R.D.s chest, the complaint states.
The boy, who weighed less than 100 lbs., blacked out.Instead of calling emergency medical personnel, Officer Webb pulled out the barbs and took the boy to the school principals office, the complaint states.
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The cop was given a three day suspension. He said it was an accident, and he didn't mean for the taser to go off.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)A 3 day suspension for almost killing a child? FIRE HIM! And then press charges.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)"Authority" is just a nice way of saying violence and/or the threat of violence. Violence is all they have.
When someone says "So-and-so has a problem with authority," what they are really saying is "so-and-so has a problem with some types of violence and/or threats of violence."
Violence and institutional authority are the same exact thing. There is no difference outside of our imagination.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Even when kids aren't taught to question authority, they do.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Anybody that tries to tell you otherwise...
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)we trust this idiot with a real firearm too.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)someone would get for beating the living fuck out of that guy?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)That's what cops do. Granted, not all of them, but look at all the incidents happening around the country. Freaking sickening.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)90% give the rest a bad name.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)and;
1: I don't have the right to criticize because I don't know the facts of the case.
2: Police have a hard job and require a few liberties.
3: If I criticize police, promise to never call 911 if I need police
Also, cue a jury flag in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . .
Copy and paste from another. At least once a day we get a story like this, or someone shooting someone else.
But it's never the cop. . .and it's never the gun.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)DCKit
(18,541 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:39 PM - Edit history (1)
The kid in question:The dumbass in question:
Note the officer is now referred to as Defendant Webb:
Officer Chris Webb accused of tasering a 10-year-old boy to teach him a lesson
...Guardian ad litem Rachel Higgins sued the New Mexico Department of Public Safety and Motor Transportation Police Officer Chris Webb on behalf of the child, in Santa Fe County Court.
Higgins claims Webb used his Taser on the boy, R.D., during a May 4 career day visit to Tularosa New Mexico Intermediate School.
Defendant Webb asked the boy, R.D., in a group of boys, who would like to clean his patrol unit, the complaint states. A number of boys said that they would. R.D., joking, said that he did not want to clean the patrol unit.
Defendant Webb responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.
http://www.policecomplaints.info/blog/officer_chris_webb_accused_of_tasering_boy.html
Twit will wish he'd tasered himself by the time this is all over with... LOL!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... brings it all home, doesn't it? He's just a baby, for Pete's sake! "...officer Chris Webb accused of tasering boy" ??? All the other kids seen him do it, didn't they? Boy, that is one trial I would like to go to. That didn't just hurt the boy, it traumatized every one of those kids. That SOB does NOT have good judgement and should not be an officer of the law, and should never be allowed to work with children. He should be brandished a child abuser for the rest of his life. Thanks for the photos, freshwest.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I also have an almost 9 year old. It's sickening to think any cop would do that to a kid. There was an officer from the DARE program at a school I subbed at and he was great with the kids. He ate lunch with them, was gentle, answered all kinds of questions. This guy should never be around children or the public ever. He should be fired and serve some jail time himself.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Interesting change. Hopefully a meaningful one!
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I wish we could imprison these fuckers.
DFW
(54,428 posts)When he comes to point his Glock at the cop, and then gets off lightly when he says he never meant for it to go off?
Logical
(22,457 posts)All I can say is what a pure-tee asshole this Webb guy is. He shouldn't be anywhere near kids.
think
(11,641 posts)Not a scintilla of judgement on his part.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)it is negligence..criminal negligence...stupid criminal negligence..he should get jail time and disqualified from ever owning guns..the community should demand this.
Don't point a weapon at somebody unless you intend to use it. Especially when it's at a 10 year old. In an absolutely best case scenario and this was an accident, the guy is still utterly unqualified to carry a taser or a gun.
Plus who invites kids to clean their car?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Ever wonder why the backseat is plastic? Because the amount of puke and other excrement is easier to clean up..
peasant one
(150 posts)I am one of the legion of people who read DU daily both before and after work and throughout the day on the weekends but I rarely post. I do, however, email companies, politicians and other officials when I read posts that cause me concern (for example--I emailed every business that advertises on Rush that had an email address after he made disparaging remarks about Ms. Fluke--and I emailed school officials after the teacher made racially charged statements about FLOTUS). Please someone find an email for this police department. I, and the myriad others who read these posts, need to and will assist in swaying this society into something that at least resembles a democracy.
kentuck
(111,107 posts)Many are not responsible enough to be given a taser device.
Agony
(2,605 posts)get used to it as guilty until proven innocent becomes (is) acceptable, because we need to be "safe"
Agony
Logical
(22,457 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)The others however are all great guys, nicest folks you'll ever want to meet, but they're trapped in a bad system?
The idea that there are a majority of good cops, a lie. There may be one, but you'd have a hard time proving it to me.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Real American kids play first person shooter videogames, not chess.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)maybe this kid was being an obnoxious little punk. I could be wrong, but who can say for sure.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Holy fuck, but you are twisted WAY out of shape if that is what you are even suggesting mildly.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)That doesn't mean the kid was acting like a perfect little angel though. I suspect he was being a brat, that is all I'm saying.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)The whole point, if there is no justification, is that there AREN'T two sides to this story.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)yes the taser shouldn't have been used. But if the boy was being a rude little punk and provoking the cop, then that paints a very different picture than if the boy was being respectful and polite, and then the cop attacks him. Two scenarios, and both have profound differences.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Who does he think he is anyway, disobeying the lawful orders of a member of those charged to serve and protect him?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Rude little punk or not. I mean, I'm grateful that there are cops to protect us from rude, punkish 10 year olds, but who's going to protect us from the cops??
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)yes, the photo made him decide that the kid is an obnoxious brat.
context my butt. he doesn't care about that but had to make it sound like the first post was based on something thoughtful.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)So what if (as you hypothesize on no evidence) the kid was being "a rude little punk." It doesn't matter. There is no justification for tasering him.
kcr
(15,318 posts)Refusing to wash his car doesn't justify the cop's action, no matter how bratty the kid was acting. So, it doesn't matter what picture it was painting. The kid could have been jumping up and down cussing up a blue streak while refusing to wash it. Does not matter one whit. It is completely and utterly irrelevant.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)29. that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but
look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2935410
ironically, you lecture DU below on stereotyping then engage in the exact stereotyping of feminists.
you're just disrupting. that's all.
5. well, we know what the politically incorrect reasons
would be, the stereotypes painted are not flattering.
As to what I think, I don't know for sure why some feminists seem uptight and humorless and word-policey with a strong desire to control language, but it is an impression I have gotten from some of them. That said, there are some who definitely don't fit this mold, which is nice to see and refreshing when they speak up.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022289396#post5
36. I didn't say "we", but sure, I think it is good to keep an open mind
Have you ever looked into the Columbine school shootings? I was recently looking into it, and you would be surprised about how many things went on, that are not part of the "official" version of what happened. For example, there were many high school kids who were there and at the time said they witnessed multiple shooters, apparently some were wearing black masks, and several witnesses said the shooters they saw were not the two shooters officially known, in terms of height and physical descriptions, that were found dead in the library.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2157617
Response to Original message
19. I don't like dogs
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM by quinnox
Dogs IMHO are disgusting creatures.
As far as cockfighting, eh no big deal. Heck we eat chickens every day.
edited to add - As far as Vick goes, I don't have sympathy for idiotic thuggish multi millioniare athletes of any stripe. So I can only say throw the book at him, although I'm sure he will get away with it. It has been shown a few times that if you are a super rich male athlete star you can get away with anything, even murder.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1382687&mesg_id=1387473
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Threatening him with a taser is ridiculous, out of control behavior.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That it "accidently" went off only makes it worse.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The taser isnt intended to teach bad little boys a lesson. The cop should be fired for even pointing the taser at the boy. I hope the boy's family get a good lawyer. With this cop's mindset, he will kill someone in the future.
G_j
(40,367 posts)there may be more sides to a story, but tazing a 10 year old is 100% unacceptable!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Every obnoxious ten year old should be tasered, it's good for them.
All good Americans loathe long haired, obnoxious intellectual little punks and they deserve exactly what they get.
Agony
(2,605 posts)shit in the bud. you are so right on.
Just saying, kids nowadays are so disrespectful.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)That maybe the reason they are so disrespectful is that the 'adults' in their lives are less worthy of respect than the adults of yesterday? Kids are amazingly perceptive. It troubles me that you can look at one picture and deduce that a kid is a mouthy troublemaker. Kids need guidance, not judgment. They need support, not pounding down.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
- Socrates (469 - 399 B.C.)
Who wouldn't be disrespectful after being tasered without cause? But if he were disrespectful before, so what? There are other ways of dealing with it. A taser?? With the potential of killing the kid?? Come on. I dare say you're the one lacking respect.. for human life.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)are so repugnant.
think
(11,641 posts)is what should stand out from this story. Abuse of authority to cause physical bodily harm so extreme the kid passes out.
This is a crime pure and simple. That officer should be kicked off the force and also be prosecuted for child abuse!
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I don't expect anyone to clean up my messes. I wouldn't dream of pulling a weapon and threatening someone who didn't want to clean my car. And I sure as hell wouldn't consider someone obnoxious if they didn't want to clean up after me.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)for a demonstration either. Jeez louise, the context matters.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)There is no difference between me asking you to clean my car and officer, er, defendant Dumbass asking this kid to do the same.
On edit, actually there is a difference, since I have no position of authority over you. Defendant Dumbass abused his authority and should, at a minimum, lose his job and career as a LEO over this.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)how adults are treated.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)I just don't jump to the conclusion that this boy was a little angel and innocent, I know how some kids can be, vicious and obnoxious. I don't approve of the tasering, but I don't give a free pass to out of conrol no discipline rude kids either.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)In my mind, after defendant dumbass inappropriately asked the kids to clean the car, the best move would have been to walk away and keep your mouth shut. The article doesn't convey the situation, but the kid was absolutely correct in saying no, regardless of how he said it Pulling a weapon in that situation should be a firing offense, much less aiming and firing it.
Your attempts to defend the actions of defendant Dumbass are really sad, I hope you find some way to have a better day.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)It doesn't matter whether the kid was a smart mouth, or rude, or whatever.
THE COP TASERED A TEN YEAR OLD BOY. What is it about that that you don't get?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)You just don't like kids. I look at the boy and see a 10 year old child. You look at him and assume he's a vicious, obnoxious, out of control, no discipline, rude kid that deserved to be disciplined. Those are your words, not mine. No one, I repeat no one, has the right to lay a hand on another person, no matter how obnoxious they look and act or for anything they might say. Not even two adults.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)How is cleaning a patrol car a demonstration? There is NO justification for what this officer did to that ten year old boy. Period.
You're wrong, quinnox. Why not just admit it?
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I said I don't approve of the tasering, despite some trying to stick me as if I said it was ok.
I just am looking at this situation with a little nuance.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Sorry, but that's not called nuance. It's called trying to justify what the cop did. And there is no justification, whatsoever, for that. NONE. Zip. Zilch.
I don't care if the kid had told him to 'Fuck off', he still should NEVER have pointed a taser at him just to make an example. Pull him aside and call someone to send him back to school if he must.
That's all we need in the police force: Thin-skinned, reactionary jerks in possession of deadly weapons.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)that was your sole justification.
it's not nuance, it's trolling.
29. that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but
look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2935410
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)Look at the picture, and observe that bloated, flushed face and those puffy eyes. I wonder if he was hung over - or actually drunk - when this incident took place. Perhaps the cops hands were shaking uncontrollably and that's how he accidentally fired the Taser.
bike man
(620 posts)time we read that alcoholism is a disease, and folks so afflicted are actually 'disabled', and that their consumption of alcoholic beverages affects their impulse control and they are not necessarily to blame for their behavior.
I say to all the above, Horsesqueeze!
And what does an alcoholic look like, really. There are overweight conditions that cause facial features to be distorted, blood pressure issues can cause a flushed appearance. Many things can cause hands to shake, among them low blood sugar.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)were made about this cop's victim based on a photograph of said victim. Here is a quote from that post: Look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious.
I honestly have no idea whether the cop is a practicing drunk.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)taste.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)that a kid would be likely to mouth off and be obnoxious? Wow. Did you get that superpower from a radioactive slug or something?
fishwax
(29,149 posts)But then, I think it's silly to try to assess personality traits based on a single snapshot with no action or context.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)he can't handle what adults will dish at him, and shouldn't be a cop.
spanone
(135,857 posts)NancyDL
(140 posts)What exactly is it that makes this boy "look like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious"? Is it the sweatshirt? The haircut? Maybe it's the chess pieces he's playing with? Or could it be his coloring?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)People will give you crap for saying it, and it will be nicer than your unfounded judgement of the kid.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What is the precise relevance to the story of a child you believe to be "one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious..."?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)He'll totally trust cops and adults now!
BadgerKid
(4,554 posts)as portrayed thus far. Has this cop had a psych profile done recently? He seems too comfortable having power and control over kids.
CanonRay
(14,111 posts)Three day suspension my ass, I'd have handed him is walking papers.
G_j
(40,367 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)
that guarantees this happens again with some other cop somewhere else.
This should have ended his career as a police officer in its tracks.
CanonRay
(14,111 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)He tasered the kid for merely not doing what he said (which was fobbing off one of his responsibilities onto the kids anyway). What's going on in that police station that it even enters his head to do what he did? That he could get away with it?
Tasers were advertised to the public as non-lethal alternatives for cases where firearms had previously been the only option. They're not supposed to be used except where the other option would be shooting bullets into someone.
In reality, there are goons like this using tasers just because they're getting impatient or want to show who's boss. The kid's lucky it didn't kill him -- that's another thing that happens much more often than advertised, thanks to "inappropriate usage".
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)when he says he didn't mean for the taser to go off, but he should NOT have been pointing it at the kid in the first place.
Never ever point a weapon at someone unless it's with the intent to actually use it, whether it's a taser, bb gun, paintball gun, or a real gun.
gulliver
(13,186 posts)Has no meaning other than that.
vinny9698
(1,016 posts)Basic gun safety. What if it had been his revolver? You see people shooting themselves all the time on You Tube.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)Cop with taser. Boy who refuses to participate. Same boy shot with taser. NOT likely an accident.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)How about some current news? Like, did this case ever go to court? Is the cop still working as a cop? Did the boy suffer any longterm damage?
hlthe2b
(102,330 posts)That asshole should be in jail.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Pisces
(5,602 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)and whoever decided a "3 day suspension" sufficient should join him there.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Is it too much to ask that rules of engagement be followed? Tasers are for use when an officer faces a threat and has no other option. 3 day suspension? This weak discipline just shows that there is corruption in the department. Next we will see if this corruption is in the courts as well.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)about this rising violence from the people we pay to protect us? Why is there Rarely any accountability for them? Why don't they fire and prosecute them?
I don't understand these dynamics.
Yes, yes-I know and understand All the arguments that "not all LE are like this"--I do believe that but it Is these very (hopefully minority of total) abusive LE that are so severly Damaging our trust and respect of ALL LEO's.
Something needs to be done. Just being issued a badge does not mean one repects it and won't use their "new found powers" to do harm.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Don't you think that we are seeing more of this these days BECAUSE of cell phones and because of the internet?
I think that this shit has been going on for a long time, and it's just now being brought to our attention because of technology.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)about that. I'm gussing this factor plays into it--but if so--again I asked: Why has nothing Been done to curtail this abuse?
It's not "legal" just because an individual wears a badge.
I suppose if you're correct, the situation is actually worse because it has an even Longer history of "nothing being done".
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)and the case of Sean Emmer and Adam Cooley, who beat Adam Tatum. Tatum ended up with five fractures to his leg, one of them a compound fracture. The city fired them, and they are now suing to get their jobs back. The grand jury no billed the case against them. And, it seems, this is not the first time that officers have been fired by Chatanooga PD for excessive force, and then rehired them later on, even promoted.
This cop, Sean Emmer, has got case after case after case of excessive force; lawsuit after lawsuit, and he's probably going to get his job back. It's ludicrous.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-police-beat-pregnant-woman-destiny-rios
And unfortunately there are No shortages of stories like this.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Libertas1776
(2,888 posts)i was just gonna post that. If we're gonna get outraged by something in "General Discussion" can we at least make sure it's recent. Though a year isn't too bad, the worst I have seen on GD was a police brutality story from 12 years ago being posted as recent.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)My next post should be about the LAPD being caught on video beating an unarmed man. Name of the victim: Rodney King.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)nt
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)The OP should've included an update at least if he's going to post old news and pretend it's new.
spanone
(135,857 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Give me liberty or give me death.
sakabatou
(42,170 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)It is stated on the information that is with the device when you buy it that misuse of the item for anything but the intended purpose is a felony. I'm pretty sure that includes accidentally shooting a child with it. But if you're on the right side of the thin blue line protective society, felonies are punished with three day suspensions and you are gently chastised.
randome
(34,845 posts)You don't even pull it out unless you intend to use it.
'Accident' or not, this cop should be off the force.
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MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Yay, Cops!
They're the best!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Iggo
(47,563 posts)They're the best!
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)You can bet he's got lawyers lining up at his door drooling over this easy case.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)He should have been removed from the force. I suppose he punt kicks kittens and puppies on his day off.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)F***ing FOP!