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Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:47 AM Jun 2013

NM cop tasers 10 year old for refusing to help clean his patrol car


http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/cop_used_taser_gun_on_10_year_old_boy/

A New Mexico police officer used a Taser gun on a 10-year-old boy to demonstrate what cops do to people who don’t follow orders, according to a complaint heard by a Sante Fe court Tuesday.

....

According to the complaint, Webb shot his Taser at the child (referred to only as “R.D.”) after he said he did not want to join fellow classmates in cleaning the officer’s patrol car. Courthouse News reported:

“Defendant Webb responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, ‘Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.’” Webb then shot “two barbs into R.D.’s chest,” the complaint states.

“The boy, who weighed less than 100 lbs., blacked out.”Instead of calling emergency medical personnel, Officer Webb pulled out the barbs and took the boy to the school principal’s office,” the complaint states.
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The cop was given a three day suspension. He said it was an accident, and he didn't mean for the taser to go off.






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NM cop tasers 10 year old for refusing to help clean his patrol car (Original Post) Th1onein Jun 2013 OP
What a fucking moron! geomon666 Jun 2013 #1
wtf! fishwax Jun 2013 #2
I bet the kid was armed with a Pit-bull Puppy Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #3
Or a bag of skittles. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #8
Nah, it was the "dehumanizing stare" that did it. nt DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #9
And was a guilty of the crime "Living While Poor or Minority." Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #11
There is no such thing as institutional authority. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #4
Question authority! ReRe Jun 2013 #18
Power does indeed flow from the barrel of a gun. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #110
Good thing.. Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #5
I wonder how many days in jail Bonobo Jun 2013 #6
+1 think Jun 2013 #43
Why would anyone even be surprised? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #7
"Not all of them"... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #90
Okay, cue the badge sniffers telling us it's only a select few bad apples Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #10
It should be noted this is from 7 months ago. Current info would have been better. nt DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #12
Under the jail. nt DCKit Jun 2013 #13
Excessive force and expense! DeSwiss Jun 2013 #14
Accident? Pointed it at him after making a threat? Fire his ass and SUE EVERYBODY! freshwest Jun 2013 #15
Pix and more details, the fun has only begun for this twit: freshwest Jun 2013 #16
Seeing that boys face... ReRe Jun 2013 #19
I work as a sub. Kids will test you, this idiot could not handle that. Jennicut Jun 2013 #28
Totally agree! n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #75
From "officer" to "defendant". LisaLynne Jun 2013 #36
Bright eyed kid. Very obvious alcohol abuse rosacea on the cop. alphafemale Jun 2013 #63
Does the kid's dad get to use the same argument? DFW Jun 2013 #17
No, citizens get arrested and put in jail. Cops get suspended. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #26
K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #20
He is unfit to wear the badge and should be prosecuted. /nt think Jun 2013 #47
Absolutely. ReRe Jun 2013 #85
Not a mistake...he pointed a gun at someone.. pipoman Jun 2013 #21
Agreed mythology Jun 2013 #93
Their POLICE car?..FFS...what could possibly go wrong pipoman Jun 2013 #118
could you find an email for the police department peasant one Jun 2013 #22
They like their toys. kentuck Jun 2013 #23
Torture and Terrorism on the streets of America Agony Jun 2013 #24
But he delivered milk to the kid later. All is good! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #25
Is this where we go to get told how this is just one bad cop. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #27
that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but quinnox Jun 2013 #29
Exactly, notice the chess set in front of him, clearly he's one of those troublemakers Fumesucker Jun 2013 #30
just saying, there are two sides to every story quinnox Jun 2013 #31
You think even being obnoxious would justify tasering a 10 year old? Bonobo Jun 2013 #32
nope, I already said it wouldn't quinnox Jun 2013 #35
So then why say "There are two sides to every story" Bonobo Jun 2013 #39
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #91
What does THAT have to do with it? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #54
the context and circumstances matter quinnox Jun 2013 #61
Hell, the kid deserved tasering just for being a chess player Fumesucker Jun 2013 #69
In any context, the cop was the adult in the situation. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #76
Quinnox doesn't care about context, his first post here said "look at the kid" CreekDog Jun 2013 #120
No, you are just wrong. The cop attacked the kid for no good reason. Period. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #102
In this case it doesn't. kcr Jun 2013 #114
No you said how the kid looks matter, you decided his looks made him suspect CreekDog Jun 2013 #119
If the BOY was being a rude little punk it makes no difference. Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #124
...actually using the taser... he should serve time or at least lose his badge. nt Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #127
Yes, I realized he used it, but my point was that even pointing it at the kid was over the edge. Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #130
Couldn't agree more. nt Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #131
No, they don't matter. Some people really do need to stay away from children. nt Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #126
You cant be series. His behavior has nothing at all to do with this. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #57
that is silly G_j Jun 2013 #33
Yes, I understood that Fumesucker Jun 2013 #34
with the question authority/future terrorist tendency this kid exhibited... OMG we need to nip this Agony Jun 2013 #37
whatever. quinnox Jun 2013 #40
Ever occur to you Flying Squirrel Jun 2013 #44
Agreed, children are now tyrants IDemo Jun 2013 #45
Well cvoogt Jun 2013 #53
Adults nowadays with this attitude toward children that would have elementary school children tazed Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #128
There are always kids who act out. But this officer went beyond the pale and that think Jun 2013 #48
Would you consider yourself obnoxious if you said you didn't want to clean my car? Thor_MN Jun 2013 #58
no, but I'm not a ten year old boy being disrespectful to a policeman in front of a class quinnox Jun 2013 #59
How? There is no law that requires school children to swamp out patrol vehicles. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #60
oh boy, I can't help then if you see no difference between how kids are treated vs quinnox Jun 2013 #62
Well, we saw how kids are treated in your world, they get Tasered. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #65
not really quinnox Jun 2013 #66
You are jumping to the conclusion he was obnoxious. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #70
No conclusion is required. The cop TASERED a 10 year old, got that? Th1onein Jun 2013 #79
Admit it, Quinnox... ReRe Jun 2013 #84
Demonstration? Huh? Th1onein Jun 2013 #67
what am I wrong about? quinnox Jun 2013 #72
There is no room for nuance when a cop tases a 10 year old Th1onein Jun 2013 #77
+1000 CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #98
Get over yourself, it's not nuance. You said "look at the picture, the kid looks like..." CreekDog Jun 2013 #122
And like your reply, one of them is usually bullshit. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #111
And the cop looks like an active alcoholic. Mariana Jun 2013 #52
Well, in that case, he might not be responsible, according to some posters. Time after bike man Jun 2013 #73
I was answering a post wherein character judgements Mariana Jun 2013 #99
I assume you are being sarcastic, right? Even if you are I think it is in poor rhett o rick Jun 2013 #55
You can tell from a photograph RudynJack Jun 2013 #68
The picture doesn't seem that way to me fishwax Jun 2013 #80
If a cop can't handle a smart mouth out of a 10-year-old gollygee Jun 2013 #87
you read a lot of shit into a picture. spanone Jun 2013 #89
Help me out here... NancyDL Jun 2013 #101
That comment is so bad it's trolling CreekDog Jun 2013 #108
What is the precise relevance of a child you believe to be "one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious LanternWaste Jun 2013 #125
Well, this incident should straighten out his little attitude problem, amirite? Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #129
I'm disturbed by the tenor of the incident BadgerKid Jun 2013 #38
This fool has no business being a cop CanonRay Jun 2013 #41
three day suspension G_j Jun 2013 #42
Agreed, no question whatsoever. CanonRay Jun 2013 #71
Not just "again". How many times has he tasered someone before? JHB Jun 2013 #78
I believe him pipi_k Jun 2013 #46
Most likely an accident, but extremely stupid. gulliver Jun 2013 #49
Gun safety is not to aim guns or pull out your gun unless you intend to use it. vinny9698 Jun 2013 #56
stupid like George Zimmerman stupid burnodo Jun 2013 #97
This story is from October 2012. I remember it from when it was posted here back then. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #50
I hope to hell they sue the shit out of that police department. Three day supsension, indeed... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #51
That asshole needs to be fired. And prosecuted. And sued. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #64
Sound like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Pisces Jun 2013 #74
3 Day suspension! Why is this idiot not in jail for life? Demeter Jun 2013 #81
Officer Chris Webb was gently chastised and reminded "use your words" siligut Jun 2013 #82
Why are we Not complaining fredamae Jun 2013 #83
I agree with you, fredamae, BUT.... Th1onein Jun 2013 #115
I don't know the facts fredamae Jun 2013 #116
It is entrenched now. You're right. I was looking at Chattanooga, TN Th1onein Jun 2013 #132
It's scary fredamae Jun 2013 #133
This story is a year old. nt woolldog Jun 2013 #86
you beat me to the punch Libertas1776 Jun 2013 #94
lol woolldog Jun 2013 #104
Or maybe my next OP should be: Member of the 1% missing at sea! woolldog Jun 2013 #106
and that makes a difference because...? burnodo Jun 2013 #96
But the lawsuit isn't. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #103
yea it's actually old news. woolldog Jun 2013 #105
i'd sue his ass for every penny he has....what an asshole. spanone Jun 2013 #88
Is this liberty? tabasco Jun 2013 #92
WTF?! sakabatou Jun 2013 #95
In states where stun guns are legal Savannahmann Jun 2013 #100
I would think the same rules apply as for a gun. randome Jun 2013 #107
99% of cops, unfortunately, make the rest look real bad MrScorpio Jun 2013 #109
ROTFLMAO! n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #112
Yay, Cops! Iggo Jun 2013 #113
Well, he'll be retired by 11 after the lawsuit, so that's some consolation I guess. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #117
What a barbaric act. AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #121
Piggy will most likely keep his job and bloated salary/vacation time/pension. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #123

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
4. There is no such thing as institutional authority.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:03 AM
Jun 2013

"Authority" is just a nice way of saying violence and/or the threat of violence. Violence is all they have.

When someone says "So-and-so has a problem with authority," what they are really saying is "so-and-so has a problem with some types of violence and/or threats of violence."

Violence and institutional authority are the same exact thing. There is no difference outside of our imagination.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
7. Why would anyone even be surprised?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:25 AM
Jun 2013

That's what cops do. Granted, not all of them, but look at all the incidents happening around the country. Freaking sickening.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
10. Okay, cue the badge sniffers telling us it's only a select few bad apples
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jun 2013

and;

1: I don't have the right to criticize because I don't know the facts of the case.
2: Police have a hard job and require a few liberties.
3: If I criticize police, promise to never call 911 if I need police

Also, cue a jury flag in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . .

Copy and paste from another. At least once a day we get a story like this, or someone shooting someone else.

But it's never the cop. . .and it's never the gun.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. Excessive force and expense!
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 03:45 AM
Jun 2013
- Surely a few squirts of mace would have been sufficient for such a small prole.

K&R

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Pix and more details, the fun has only begun for this twit:
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:39 PM - Edit history (1)

The kid in question:



The dumbass in question:



Note the officer is now referred to as Defendant Webb:

Officer Chris Webb accused of tasering a 10-year-old boy to teach him a lesson


...Guardian ad litem Rachel Higgins sued the New Mexico Department of Public Safety and Motor Transportation Police Officer Chris Webb on behalf of the child, in Santa Fe County Court.

Higgins claims Webb used his Taser on the boy, R.D., during a May 4 “career day” visit to Tularosa New Mexico Intermediate School.

“Defendant Webb asked the boy, R.D., in a group of boys, who would like to clean his patrol unit,” the complaint states. “A number of boys said that they would. R.D., joking, said that he did not want to clean the patrol unit.

“Defendant Webb responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, ‘Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.’”


http://www.policecomplaints.info/blog/officer_chris_webb_accused_of_tasering_boy.html

Twit will wish he'd tasered himself by the time this is all over with... LOL!


ReRe

(10,597 posts)
19. Seeing that boys face...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 05:21 AM
Jun 2013

... brings it all home, doesn't it? He's just a baby, for Pete's sake! "...officer Chris Webb accused of tasering boy" ??? All the other kids seen him do it, didn't they? Boy, that is one trial I would like to go to. That didn't just hurt the boy, it traumatized every one of those kids. That SOB does NOT have good judgement and should not be an officer of the law, and should never be allowed to work with children. He should be brandished a child abuser for the rest of his life. Thanks for the photos, freshwest.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
28. I work as a sub. Kids will test you, this idiot could not handle that.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jun 2013

I also have an almost 9 year old. It's sickening to think any cop would do that to a kid. There was an officer from the DARE program at a school I subbed at and he was great with the kids. He ate lunch with them, was gentle, answered all kinds of questions. This guy should never be around children or the public ever. He should be fired and serve some jail time himself.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
63. Bright eyed kid. Very obvious alcohol abuse rosacea on the cop.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jun 2013

I wish we could imprison these fuckers.

DFW

(54,428 posts)
17. Does the kid's dad get to use the same argument?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 04:12 AM
Jun 2013

When he comes to point his Glock at the cop, and then gets off lightly when he says he never meant for it to go off?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
21. Not a mistake...he pointed a gun at someone..
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:31 AM
Jun 2013

it is negligence..criminal negligence...stupid criminal negligence..he should get jail time and disqualified from ever owning guns..the community should demand this.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
93. Agreed
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

Don't point a weapon at somebody unless you intend to use it. Especially when it's at a 10 year old. In an absolutely best case scenario and this was an accident, the guy is still utterly unqualified to carry a taser or a gun.

Plus who invites kids to clean their car?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
118. Their POLICE car?..FFS...what could possibly go wrong
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jun 2013

Ever wonder why the backseat is plastic? Because the amount of puke and other excrement is easier to clean up..

peasant one

(150 posts)
22. could you find an email for the police department
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jun 2013

I am one of the legion of people who read DU daily both before and after work and throughout the day on the weekends but I rarely post. I do, however, email companies, politicians and other officials when I read posts that cause me concern (for example--I emailed every business that advertises on Rush that had an email address after he made disparaging remarks about Ms. Fluke--and I emailed school officials after the teacher made racially charged statements about FLOTUS). Please someone find an email for this police department. I, and the myriad others who read these posts, need to and will assist in swaying this society into something that at least resembles a democracy.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
24. Torture and Terrorism on the streets of America
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:03 AM
Jun 2013

get used to it as guilty until proven innocent becomes (is) acceptable, because we need to be "safe"

Agony

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
27. Is this where we go to get told how this is just one bad cop.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:07 AM
Jun 2013

The others however are all great guys, nicest folks you'll ever want to meet, but they're trapped in a bad system?

The idea that there are a majority of good cops, a lie. There may be one, but you'd have a hard time proving it to me.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
29. that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jun 2013

look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
30. Exactly, notice the chess set in front of him, clearly he's one of those troublemakers
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:22 AM
Jun 2013

Real American kids play first person shooter videogames, not chess.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
31. just saying, there are two sides to every story
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jun 2013

maybe this kid was being an obnoxious little punk. I could be wrong, but who can say for sure.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
32. You think even being obnoxious would justify tasering a 10 year old?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:29 AM
Jun 2013

Holy fuck, but you are twisted WAY out of shape if that is what you are even suggesting mildly.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
35. nope, I already said it wouldn't
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jun 2013

That doesn't mean the kid was acting like a perfect little angel though. I suspect he was being a brat, that is all I'm saying.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
39. So then why say "There are two sides to every story"
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jun 2013

The whole point, if there is no justification, is that there AREN'T two sides to this story.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
61. the context and circumstances matter
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jun 2013

yes the taser shouldn't have been used. But if the boy was being a rude little punk and provoking the cop, then that paints a very different picture than if the boy was being respectful and polite, and then the cop attacks him. Two scenarios, and both have profound differences.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
69. Hell, the kid deserved tasering just for being a chess player
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jun 2013

Who does he think he is anyway, disobeying the lawful orders of a member of those charged to serve and protect him?



MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
76. In any context, the cop was the adult in the situation.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jun 2013

Rude little punk or not. I mean, I'm grateful that there are cops to protect us from rude, punkish 10 year olds, but who's going to protect us from the cops??

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
120. Quinnox doesn't care about context, his first post here said "look at the kid"
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:50 AM
Jun 2013

yes, the photo made him decide that the kid is an obnoxious brat.

context my butt. he doesn't care about that but had to make it sound like the first post was based on something thoughtful.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
102. No, you are just wrong. The cop attacked the kid for no good reason. Period.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jun 2013

So what if (as you hypothesize on no evidence) the kid was being "a rude little punk." It doesn't matter. There is no justification for tasering him.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
114. In this case it doesn't.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jun 2013

Refusing to wash his car doesn't justify the cop's action, no matter how bratty the kid was acting. So, it doesn't matter what picture it was painting. The kid could have been jumping up and down cussing up a blue streak while refusing to wash it. Does not matter one whit. It is completely and utterly irrelevant.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
119. No you said how the kid looks matter, you decided his looks made him suspect
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jun 2013
quinnox (15,807 posts)
29. that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but

look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2935410




ironically, you lecture DU below on stereotyping then engage in the exact stereotyping of feminists.

you're just disrupting. that's all.


quinnox (15,807 posts)
5. well, we know what the politically incorrect reasons

would be, the stereotypes painted are not flattering.

As to what I think, I don't know for sure why some feminists seem uptight and humorless and word-policey with a strong desire to control language, but it is an impression I have gotten from some of them. That said, there are some who definitely don't fit this mold, which is nice to see and refreshing when they speak up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022289396#post5


quinnox (15,807 posts)
36. I didn't say "we", but sure, I think it is good to keep an open mind

Have you ever looked into the Columbine school shootings? I was recently looking into it, and you would be surprised about how many things went on, that are not part of the "official" version of what happened. For example, there were many high school kids who were there and at the time said they witnessed multiple shooters, apparently some were wearing black masks, and several witnesses said the shooters they saw were not the two shooters officially known, in terms of height and physical descriptions, that were found dead in the library.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2157617


quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
19. I don't like dogs
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM by quinnox
Dogs IMHO are disgusting creatures.

As far as cockfighting, eh no big deal. Heck we eat chickens every day.


edited to add - As far as Vick goes, I don't have sympathy for idiotic thuggish multi millioniare athletes of any stripe. So I can only say throw the book at him, although I'm sure he will get away with it. It has been shown a few times that if you are a super rich male athlete star you can get away with anything, even murder.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1382687&mesg_id=1387473

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
124. If the BOY was being a rude little punk it makes no difference.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

Threatening him with a taser is ridiculous, out of control behavior.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
130. Yes, I realized he used it, but my point was that even pointing it at the kid was over the edge.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:38 PM
Jun 2013

That it "accidently" went off only makes it worse.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
57. You cant be series. His behavior has nothing at all to do with this.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:50 AM
Jun 2013

The taser isnt intended to teach bad little boys a lesson. The cop should be fired for even pointing the taser at the boy. I hope the boy's family get a good lawyer. With this cop's mindset, he will kill someone in the future.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
33. that is silly
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jun 2013

there may be more sides to a story, but tazing a 10 year old is 100% unacceptable!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. Yes, I understood that
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jun 2013

Every obnoxious ten year old should be tasered, it's good for them.

All good Americans loathe long haired, obnoxious intellectual little punks and they deserve exactly what they get.



Agony

(2,605 posts)
37. with the question authority/future terrorist tendency this kid exhibited... OMG we need to nip this
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

shit in the bud. you are so right on.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
44. Ever occur to you
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:55 AM
Jun 2013

That maybe the reason they are so disrespectful is that the 'adults' in their lives are less worthy of respect than the adults of yesterday? Kids are amazingly perceptive. It troubles me that you can look at one picture and deduce that a kid is a mouthy troublemaker. Kids need guidance, not judgment. They need support, not pounding down.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
45. Agreed, children are now tyrants
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jun 2013

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
- Socrates (469 - 399 B.C.)

cvoogt

(949 posts)
53. Well
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jun 2013

Who wouldn't be disrespectful after being tasered without cause? But if he were disrespectful before, so what? There are other ways of dealing with it. A taser?? With the potential of killing the kid?? Come on. I dare say you're the one lacking respect.. for human life.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
128. Adults nowadays with this attitude toward children that would have elementary school children tazed
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

are so repugnant.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
48. There are always kids who act out. But this officer went beyond the pale and that
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jun 2013

is what should stand out from this story. Abuse of authority to cause physical bodily harm so extreme the kid passes out.

This is a crime pure and simple. That officer should be kicked off the force and also be prosecuted for child abuse!

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
58. Would you consider yourself obnoxious if you said you didn't want to clean my car?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jun 2013

I don't expect anyone to clean up my messes. I wouldn't dream of pulling a weapon and threatening someone who didn't want to clean my car. And I sure as hell wouldn't consider someone obnoxious if they didn't want to clean up after me.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
59. no, but I'm not a ten year old boy being disrespectful to a policeman in front of a class
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jun 2013

for a demonstration either. Jeez louise, the context matters.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
60. How? There is no law that requires school children to swamp out patrol vehicles.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

There is no difference between me asking you to clean my car and officer, er, defendant Dumbass asking this kid to do the same.

On edit, actually there is a difference, since I have no position of authority over you. Defendant Dumbass abused his authority and should, at a minimum, lose his job and career as a LEO over this.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
62. oh boy, I can't help then if you see no difference between how kids are treated vs
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jun 2013

how adults are treated.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
66. not really
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

I just don't jump to the conclusion that this boy was a little angel and innocent, I know how some kids can be, vicious and obnoxious. I don't approve of the tasering, but I don't give a free pass to out of conrol no discipline rude kids either.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
70. You are jumping to the conclusion he was obnoxious.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jun 2013

In my mind, after defendant dumbass inappropriately asked the kids to clean the car, the best move would have been to walk away and keep your mouth shut. The article doesn't convey the situation, but the kid was absolutely correct in saying no, regardless of how he said it Pulling a weapon in that situation should be a firing offense, much less aiming and firing it.

Your attempts to defend the actions of defendant Dumbass are really sad, I hope you find some way to have a better day.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
79. No conclusion is required. The cop TASERED a 10 year old, got that?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jun 2013

It doesn't matter whether the kid was a smart mouth, or rude, or whatever.

THE COP TASERED A TEN YEAR OLD BOY. What is it about that that you don't get?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
84. Admit it, Quinnox...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jun 2013

You just don't like kids. I look at the boy and see a 10 year old child. You look at him and assume he's a vicious, obnoxious, out of control, no discipline, rude kid that deserved to be disciplined. Those are your words, not mine. No one, I repeat no one, has the right to lay a hand on another person, no matter how obnoxious they look and act or for anything they might say. Not even two adults.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
67. Demonstration? Huh?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jun 2013

How is cleaning a patrol car a demonstration? There is NO justification for what this officer did to that ten year old boy. Period.

You're wrong, quinnox. Why not just admit it?

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
72. what am I wrong about?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jun 2013

I said I don't approve of the tasering, despite some trying to stick me as if I said it was ok.

I just am looking at this situation with a little nuance.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
77. There is no room for nuance when a cop tases a 10 year old
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry, but that's not called nuance. It's called trying to justify what the cop did. And there is no justification, whatsoever, for that. NONE. Zip. Zilch.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
98. +1000
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

I don't care if the kid had told him to 'Fuck off', he still should NEVER have pointed a taser at him just to make an example. Pull him aside and call someone to send him back to school if he must.

That's all we need in the police force: Thin-skinned, reactionary jerks in possession of deadly weapons.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
122. Get over yourself, it's not nuance. You said "look at the picture, the kid looks like..."
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jun 2013

that was your sole justification.

it's not nuance, it's trolling.

quinnox (15,807 posts)
29. that kid is no angel, not saying it was justified but

look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious. I love how kids are so babied these days, treated with no discipline and they aren't taught how to act respectful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2935410

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
52. And the cop looks like an active alcoholic.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jun 2013

Look at the picture, and observe that bloated, flushed face and those puffy eyes. I wonder if he was hung over - or actually drunk - when this incident took place. Perhaps the cops hands were shaking uncontrollably and that's how he accidentally fired the Taser.

 

bike man

(620 posts)
73. Well, in that case, he might not be responsible, according to some posters. Time after
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

time we read that alcoholism is a disease, and folks so afflicted are actually 'disabled', and that their consumption of alcoholic beverages affects their impulse control and they are not necessarily to blame for their behavior.

I say to all the above, Horsesqueeze!

And what does an alcoholic look like, really. There are overweight conditions that cause facial features to be distorted, blood pressure issues can cause a flushed appearance. Many things can cause hands to shake, among them low blood sugar.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
99. I was answering a post wherein character judgements
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jun 2013

were made about this cop's victim based on a photograph of said victim. Here is a quote from that post: Look at the picture, the kid looks like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious.

I honestly have no idea whether the cop is a practicing drunk.

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
68. You can tell from a photograph
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jun 2013

that a kid would be likely to mouth off and be obnoxious? Wow. Did you get that superpower from a radioactive slug or something?

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
80. The picture doesn't seem that way to me
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

But then, I think it's silly to try to assess personality traits based on a single snapshot with no action or context.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
87. If a cop can't handle a smart mouth out of a 10-year-old
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jun 2013

he can't handle what adults will dish at him, and shouldn't be a cop.

NancyDL

(140 posts)
101. Help me out here...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jun 2013

What exactly is it that makes this boy "look like he would be one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious"? Is it the sweatshirt? The haircut? Maybe it's the chess pieces he's playing with? Or could it be his coloring?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
108. That comment is so bad it's trolling
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

People will give you crap for saying it, and it will be nicer than your unfounded judgement of the kid.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
125. What is the precise relevance of a child you believe to be "one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

What is the precise relevance to the story of a child you believe to be "one likely to mouth off and be obnoxious..."?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
129. Well, this incident should straighten out his little attitude problem, amirite?
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jun 2013

He'll totally trust cops and adults now!

BadgerKid

(4,554 posts)
38. I'm disturbed by the tenor of the incident
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jun 2013

as portrayed thus far. Has this cop had a psych profile done recently? He seems too comfortable having power and control over kids.

CanonRay

(14,111 posts)
41. This fool has no business being a cop
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:44 AM
Jun 2013

Three day suspension my ass, I'd have handed him is walking papers.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
42. three day suspension
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
Jun 2013

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that guarantees this happens again with some other cop somewhere else.
This should have ended his career as a police officer in its tracks.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
78. Not just "again". How many times has he tasered someone before?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jun 2013

He tasered the kid for merely not doing what he said (which was fobbing off one of his responsibilities onto the kids anyway). What's going on in that police station that it even enters his head to do what he did? That he could get away with it?

Tasers were advertised to the public as non-lethal alternatives for cases where firearms had previously been the only option. They're not supposed to be used except where the other option would be shooting bullets into someone.

In reality, there are goons like this using tasers just because they're getting impatient or want to show who's boss. The kid's lucky it didn't kill him -- that's another thing that happens much more often than advertised, thanks to "inappropriate usage".

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
46. I believe him
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jun 2013

when he says he didn't mean for the taser to go off, but he should NOT have been pointing it at the kid in the first place.

Never ever point a weapon at someone unless it's with the intent to actually use it, whether it's a taser, bb gun, paintball gun, or a real gun.

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
56. Gun safety is not to aim guns or pull out your gun unless you intend to use it.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
Jun 2013

Basic gun safety. What if it had been his revolver? You see people shooting themselves all the time on You Tube.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
97. stupid like George Zimmerman stupid
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jun 2013

Cop with taser. Boy who refuses to participate. Same boy shot with taser. NOT likely an accident.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
50. This story is from October 2012. I remember it from when it was posted here back then.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jun 2013

How about some current news? Like, did this case ever go to court? Is the cop still working as a cop? Did the boy suffer any longterm damage?

hlthe2b

(102,330 posts)
51. I hope to hell they sue the shit out of that police department. Three day supsension, indeed...
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

That asshole should be in jail.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
81. 3 Day suspension! Why is this idiot not in jail for life?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jun 2013

and whoever decided a "3 day suspension" sufficient should join him there.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
82. Officer Chris Webb was gently chastised and reminded "use your words"
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

Is it too much to ask that rules of engagement be followed? Tasers are for use when an officer faces a threat and has no other option. 3 day suspension? This weak discipline just shows that there is corruption in the department. Next we will see if this corruption is in the courts as well.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
83. Why are we Not complaining
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jun 2013

about this rising violence from the people we pay to protect us? Why is there Rarely any accountability for them? Why don't they fire and prosecute them?
I don't understand these dynamics.

Yes, yes-I know and understand All the arguments that "not all LE are like this"--I do believe that but it Is these very (hopefully minority of total) abusive LE that are so severly Damaging our trust and respect of ALL LEO's.
Something needs to be done. Just being issued a badge does not mean one repects it and won't use their "new found powers" to do harm.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
115. I agree with you, fredamae, BUT....
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jun 2013

Don't you think that we are seeing more of this these days BECAUSE of cell phones and because of the internet?

I think that this shit has been going on for a long time, and it's just now being brought to our attention because of technology.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
116. I don't know the facts
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jun 2013

about that. I'm gussing this factor plays into it--but if so--again I asked: Why has nothing Been done to curtail this abuse?
It's not "legal" just because an individual wears a badge.
I suppose if you're correct, the situation is actually worse because it has an even Longer history of "nothing being done".

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
132. It is entrenched now. You're right. I was looking at Chattanooga, TN
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jun 2013

and the case of Sean Emmer and Adam Cooley, who beat Adam Tatum. Tatum ended up with five fractures to his leg, one of them a compound fracture. The city fired them, and they are now suing to get their jobs back. The grand jury no billed the case against them. And, it seems, this is not the first time that officers have been fired by Chatanooga PD for excessive force, and then rehired them later on, even promoted.

This cop, Sean Emmer, has got case after case after case of excessive force; lawsuit after lawsuit, and he's probably going to get his job back. It's ludicrous.

Libertas1776

(2,888 posts)
94. you beat me to the punch
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jun 2013

i was just gonna post that. If we're gonna get outraged by something in "General Discussion" can we at least make sure it's recent. Though a year isn't too bad, the worst I have seen on GD was a police brutality story from 12 years ago being posted as recent.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
104. lol
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jun 2013

My next post should be about the LAPD being caught on video beating an unarmed man. Name of the victim: Rodney King.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
105. yea it's actually old news.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

The OP should've included an update at least if he's going to post old news and pretend it's new.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
100. In states where stun guns are legal
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jun 2013

It is stated on the information that is with the device when you buy it that misuse of the item for anything but the intended purpose is a felony. I'm pretty sure that includes accidentally shooting a child with it. But if you're on the right side of the thin blue line protective society, felonies are punished with three day suspensions and you are gently chastised.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
107. I would think the same rules apply as for a gun.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jun 2013

You don't even pull it out unless you intend to use it.

'Accident' or not, this cop should be off the force.

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cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
117. Well, he'll be retired by 11 after the lawsuit, so that's some consolation I guess.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:18 AM
Jun 2013

You can bet he's got lawyers lining up at his door drooling over this easy case.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
121. What a barbaric act.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jun 2013

He should have been removed from the force. I suppose he punt kicks kittens and puppies on his day off.

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