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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReally disappointed with Lawrence O'Donnell tonight.
In his second segment tonight he claimed that he reviewed the laws in the 28 states that have similar contraception regulations and that those saying they are similar to the federal policy are lying. By doing this he totally undercut the information presented by Rachel Maddow an hour before and in a sense grouped her in those he claims are lying.
However, the information he presented to dispute them was rather thin. He only cited two examples. The first was Georgia where there is an exemption from plans that don't cover prescription drugs. I find this a very specious. The issue is an exemption to religious institutions. All the Georgia law was doing was not creating a mandate for employers to include a prescription drug benefit.
The second example was Colorado where he did not cite the law but a statement from the head of Catholic Charities in that state. I don't consider that person a reliable source on the subject.
Overall O'Donnell made a very weak case to support his position especially when he was disputing what Maddow has said an hour earlier. I'm not sure why he did this. Maybe his thinking is clouded due to his faith. However, I can't help remembering how negative he was during the health care debate 2 years ago. Then his arguments boiled down to 'I tried to do this in the '90s and failed; therefore, it is impossible'. So maybe there is some ego at play here. Either way I'm very disappointed in him.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)and at times their research a little weak. Then again as talking Op-Ed commentators, that is to be expected occasionally.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)between just getting something wrong and outright distortion while calling others liars which is what O'Donnell was doing.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Did he even acknowledge her content?
I did not see either show...on travel this week and TV is not on the agenda...
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But he said that anyone saying what she had said less than an hour before was not telling the truth.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I thought it was clear that we were discussing a religious exemption. He is looking for any loophole at all.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And to me that is a distortion of the truth.
winstars
(4,220 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)MSNBC is building a better line up, especially with the recent additions of Hayes, Harris-Perry, Wagner. O'Donnell hurts the brand at MSNBC, and is toxic to the democratic party. I have said this a few times before, but I get creamed for saying it so I usually just give up. He is arrogant, rude and on some occasions is very difficult to watch. I changed the channel last night as soon as it was evident where that segment was going.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Sounds like he's in Tweety's camp on this issue. I like his show overall. I guess what you deem as arrogant and rude, I think of as assertive and passionate. I probably won't agree with him on this issue, but overall, I really like his show on MSNBC.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)because I want to know the truth. I want all the facts. But his presentation was so poor and the facts so specious, I was disappointed in him.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I'm not going to beat up on O'Donnell anymore than I already have, but it was terrible show.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)after this odd show I assume he is RC. Male RCs with a mic just can't help themselves - Down Women, Down Women, Down Women.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)where the problem could be coming from. Remember that he is doing this about 3 or 4 days after the administration signalled they were working on it - and on the day that someone as prominent as the VP was quoted live saying that and saying the president was with him.
On Ed and Rachel Maddow's shows, the only side given any credence were those who were arguing not to change at all. Now, I suspect that there is no possible compromise that will make everyone happy. I do think that it might be possible to peel off some of those who are angered without losing women's access to affordable birth control.
O'Donnell seemed to me to personally support the full expansion of coverage, but he suggests that it could come at a political cost. His chart on the one poll that asked the question differently to Catholics, as do you support CATHOLIC HOSPITALS UNIVERSITIES OR CHARITIES having to buy insurance that paid workers 100% for birth control costs AND the costs of the morning after bill and sterilizations, did get a 49%/51% split. Note this does NOT mean this is the split in how they will vote.
This does suggest that could be some limited political cost - that could really only be told if the numbers were at state level. If these are ALL Catholics in normally red states or in super blue states like Rhode Island, Maryland and Massachusetts (I think also the states with the highest % Catholics), it doesn't matter. If they could break the states by red, purple and blue, and make the same calculation, it would be more interesting. As each would have a far smaller sample than the full study, the estimate would have a very wide variance, but the point estimates would still be interesting. My concern is that enough of the conservative Catholics upset by this might be in PA and Ohio.
I am NOT saying that if it "hurts" with the Catholic vote, you should not do it - and I really cannot see a way to fix it - no matter how much Biden, Daley and others in the administration say they want to. What is the viable compromise? Maybe a special waiver on the morning after pill being paid for this category of employers? Could that be sold to individual Catholics, unhappy with the decision, as honoring their rejection of abortion - no matter how early? This will NOT make the church happy, but it is pretty clear that the vast majority of Catholics clearly do not think birth control is the same as abortion. (The PP site says that that is $10 - $70, but that those under 17 need a prescription raising the cost because it costs to visit a doctor. If the doctor's visit were covered, this might be a reasonable compromise.) The fact is that this coverage will likely vastly reduce the number of abortions. I wonder if there were any studies in the states where Birth control is covered free or at a low price as to the before and after numbers. I wonder if the question were changed to make it just about birth control if the numbers would change.
It may be that the answer will come from within the community most effected - the employees of the Catholic hospitals and Universities. It appears from the reporting on all three shows yesterday, that many of the Catholic hospitals and schools already cover birth control. One question should be where does this leave some who are already getting coverage with copays if a waiver is given. It was said by some that this was done to be competitive, which implies they are dealing with a population that can chose to be elsewhere. This may suggest that there will be some counter movement by some coalition of the hospital employees and of University employees if their current coverage is threatened - which it likely would be now that the issue has been risen. This means you have a motivated, articulate group with an obvious personal vested interest who might speak out against the hierarchy - more than they have on other issues.
Going back to the real theme of this thread, is it a problem that O'Donnell is covering it as news and trying to look at the down side. I actually value his intelligent, look at this question. I really don't want a lefty Fox News equivalent where no one can deviate from the message. There will be many - like most on this thread - who reject what he is saying and there are strong measures that were presented by both Ed and Maddow (and many here on DU). O'Donnell is not repeating the ridiculous attacks of the Republicans, he is pointing out some some information that shows a less bright picture. I think we are better off if we see things from as many points as possible - and that we reject the impulse to cherry pick the data.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)but he distorted the information and called others liars to fit his dishonest narrative. That's what I object to.