Guns in the USA

[DainBramaged]

http://www.upworthy.com/10-terrifying-facts-about-guns-in-the-us?c=bl3

[onehandle]

1. Yeah, but... Freedom!

...or something.

[AndyA]

2. But...these laws wouldn't stop ALL gun crimes anyway!

So naturally, they just shouldn't be revised or enforced.

[Kingofalldems]

3. K and R for all the gun fanciers

[billh58]

4. You do realize that

you've unfairly used statistics which have not been approved by either the NRA, or the Gungeoneers don't you? Also, you did not mention anything about lug nuts, vice grips, or any of the other important features of some guns which makes them different from some other guns.

This is obviously a Liberal OP which is biased toward fact, with little or no regard for the right-wing Constitutional right to contribute to the obscene proliferation of guns in this great nation. When the governmental tyranny begins, you will be grateful for the NRA civil-militia freedom fighters and their AK-47s.

[LAGC]

5. Only 82% support universal background checks?

I thought it was over 90% just a few months ago? What happened??

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. Either the pollsters did not interview the right people or

they did not word the questions properly.

Oops.

[SpankMe]

7. Fact #11

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has not had a Director since 2006. The position has been staffed for over 7 years by Acting Directors only, who, due to their status as "acting", have limited power to fully and effectively manage the agency and implement the long-term, innovative programs necessary to fulfill its mission.

Republicans, driven largely by the National Rifle Association, have vowed to never approve a permanent ATF director. It's part of a plan to indefinitely forestall any and all enforcement of gun laws.

[billh58]

8. K&R!

And just to add, that the Republicans are aided and abetted by our very own right-wing NRA/Gungeoneers.

[DainBramaged]

9. GUNZ IN THE USA GUNZ IN THE US OF A, GUNZ IN THE USA

guns, states want to ban pit bulls for being a killer breed, but gunz deaths are okfine.....

[telclaven]

10. Fact #6 doesn't make any sense

Trafficking a firearm, okay that means putting it up for sale and completing the sale and delivery

Brandishing means display or waving it around in public in a menacing way

Discharging means shooting

And now we're back to cattle.

Did I miss something?

[DainBramaged]

11. I understood it perfectly, it was clear in it's description....

like a clear azure sky....




nit pick nit pick pick pick pick pick nit pick


15 people have already died today from guns...........

[telclaven]

12. Okay, that was real helpful

Actually, no it wasn't.

How about helping a brother out and explaining it to me. It honestly confused the fuck out of me, I don't know what it was supposed to mean. Trafficking cattle illegally carries a $10,000 fine and imprisoned for up to five years for each incidence (Lacey Act, Amended 2008). Seems pretty stiff to me.

[DainBramaged]

13. "HELPING A BROTHER OUT"

The Google machine is your friend, try it......

[telclaven]

14. Yeah, I'm pretty good with Google

'k, thanks for playing.

Guess you're one of those type. 'sokay, I'll just ignore it and move on with my life. I'll try not to russle cattle or smuggle guns in the future.

[DainBramaged]

15. Nice way to start off your career here bucko

Why do I get the feeling long after you're gone I'll still be here....

[telclaven]

17. Whatever dude

I asked an honest goddamn question and got attitude. I give a shit who's here or not. A simple, polite explanation wouldn't kill you, but I guess snark for the ignorant is fine.

Like I said, whatever. I understood everything else, but was unable to grok what one point was.

Truely lost all interest now. Very disappointed by the response.

[patrice]

31. Don't feel bad, I didn't get it either. Maybe it's something about how, if you're not a

licensed dealer, the guns must be for personal use, so that personal use has to be observably demonstrated somehow.

[Paladin]

16. Harping on definitions is a common Gun Enthusiast deflection here, "brother"

Don't think you're breaking any new ground, OK? Enjoy your stay.....

[telclaven]

18. What's a Gun Enthusiast?

I was enjoying my stay. Up until I asked an inappropriate question I guess.

[Paladin]

19. It's a polite term for "Gun Militant"

[Insert standard denial of Gun Militant status HERE.]

[telclaven]

20. Yeah, I'm starting to see

Looks like I walked into some kinda of meta-debate about guns.

I have nothing to add, so I'll just walk on out.

[patrice]

33. Please shrug it off. It doesn't matter. Stuff goes on here, so some of us are maybe a little

too touchy.

[DainBramaged]

21. You picked up on that too

nit picking, they make it an art form.

[Paladin]

22. Pro-gunners have no effective response to dead school kids.

Much easier for them to muse about the hyper-precise meaning of terms such as "brandishing." It's almost as popular as their claiming they hold the high ground with logic, rather than emotionalism. It would all be laughable, if there weren't so many lives at stake....

[friendly_iconoclast]

23. ...save to point out obvious well-poisoning and Lovejoying:

If I were to point out that Plan B isn't actually an "abortion pill", no doubt some fetus fetishist would
accuse me of nitpicking...

[Robb]

24. And then there are the glib sociopaths.

Yes, it's so unreasonable everyone's bothered by dead kids. We're the ones that are crazy!

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. And then there are the true believers that think their approach is the *only* Truth...

...thus justifying any number of ad hominem and guilt-by-association attacks-
because It's For The Children.

Come to think of it, "It's For The Children" is also a common theme with the fetus fetishists/reproductive regulators.

Great minds think alike, and all that...

[Robb]

27. You're right of course.

It's everyone else who is an asshole, not you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. I find self-righteousness tends to occur in an inverse ratio to effectiveness.

So being the target of same carries little, if any sting...

[Robb]

32. It all baffles you, I understand.

[Paladin]

34. Congrats, then, on your utter ineffectiveness..... (nt)

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. Ineffective? "Illinois lawmakers approve concealed carry gun bill - Shall Issue, no carve outs"

And this from a overwhelmingly Democratic legislature:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172123641

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-illinois-senate-debating-new-concealed-carry-gun-bill-20130531,0,947405.story

...Chicago's ban on assault weapons would be kept intact, but towns that don’t already have a ban would be prevented from adopting them.

The Senate quickly passed the bill 45-12-1. The House vote was 89-28.

The bill needed three-fifths votes in both chambers because it would affect home-rule cities like Chicago.

"We worked really hard on this bill to come up with something that we think everybody can live with, but probably everybody won't be happy with," said sponsoring Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton. "But it's something we need to do."

You lot have yet to get concealed carry laws repealed anywhere, so your metric for
ineffectiveness is, shall we say ...questionable

[DainBramaged]

37. Spew

it never fails that one of the NRA robots comes into these threads trying to look intelligent, when all that matters is 15 people have already died today from guns.


RBKA is a great place for the gun buddies to pat themselves on the backs, not here.


OH and have a nice day.

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. And what are you lot doing that's helping to cut down that death toll? Not much.

To paraphrase Paula Abdul, what have you done for us lately?

Let's see:

Promoting the fervent belief that all those that aren't with you are NRA.

Acting like the 20-25% of the electorate that own guns had just better
go along with your proposals unquestioningly, or else.

Proposing laws in Congess that don't stand a chance of getting passed.

Giving the anti-union fascist wannabe Michael Bloomberg a pass because he says things about guns.
that you like.

Indulging in cultural stereotypes and regional bigotry.

Thinking it's a good idea to primary progun Democrats in districts and states where antigun
candidates will not be elected in the forseeable future.

Promoting the meme that that those that own semiautomatic firearms are just one bad day away
from going on shooting sprees.

I could go on, but there's no point in doing so. I only accept moral opprobrium from
those that have moral authority.

[DainBramaged]

39. And more spew......

personally, I don't give two flying shits through a flying flaming donut what you think, you can do as much to 'help' as I can do to take your precious away.


The fact that you write here, a proclaimed Progressive supporting the gun culture is reason enough for me to consider you 'persona non grata'.


Have a gun-filled life.


Oh and now roughly 22 people are dead today from your precious.

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. And *still* you cling to cultural warfare....

[DainBramaged]

42. As if you and your gun buddies don't, your 'God-given right' to own precious

I wonder what this officer's family thinks of your God-given right now.


My sig line speaks for me, and yours speaks for nothing.


http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2013/05/31/2375769/


I clicked the red x , talking to you is like reasoning with a rock, in the end, it's still a rock.


Enjoy the video.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. How many people will be killed by UAW-made products today?

I suppose they're an indictment of car culture, too.

Best to not play at collective guilt-tripping, lest the dish you serve gets served to you.

[neverforget]

44. Are they made for the purpose of killing?

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. Are the victims less dead?

[neverforget]

46. A gun, when used as intended, kills people.

A car, when used as intended, transports people from Point A to Point B.

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. Then most guns in the US are defective, as they never kill anyone.

BTW, when will you be informing target shooters of your insight?

[neverforget]

48. Funny how gun owners keep killing people though

[friendly_iconoclast]

49. Well yes, as they are human beings, just like drivers.

Who also manage to kill tens of thousands a year...

[neverforget]

50. just like gun owners which are weapons unlike cars which

are vehicles

[edgineered]

29. It has to do with all the fences along the highways.

You see, before the federal penalty for trafficking cattle there were no fences along the road. We here at DU all know the docile cattle are a fairly liberal bunch, and had their union rep work out a deal. It went something like if the government used a social program (read as entitlement) to put up the fences, then the more rebellious right wing cattle wouldn't face the death penalty for being in the road - trafficking, so to speak.

[napkinz]

26. the best response to the gun nuts ...

[GoneOffShore]

30. The best response to the weird "guns don't kill people" meme.

[napkinz]

36. kick

nt

[bike man]

40. I have several. nt