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Very interesting Stuff.
http://twitter.com/ppppolls
Plus this little tidbit.
So Santorum is leading now AND if Newt gets out, Romney is in serious trouble. Fun times.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Obama and the Democratic Party. The Republicans can't decide which of their fools they hate most.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)NAO
(3,425 posts)I am still smarting from 2004, when I was completely blindsided that GWB got so many votes. It should note even have been close.
After 2004, when a plurality of Americans voted for GWB, I don't have any faith in the sanity of the US electorate.
I can see Santorum as someone the right could get behind (hehe), unlike Romney who is a tepid "Anybody but Obama" candidate.
Also, the people who are attracted by Santorum will be impervious to all fact, arguments, attack ads, etc.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)primaries that was one-tenth as stupid as the things FrothyMix says in front of microphones every day. And there was no YouTube in '00 either.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)have complied.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)and unites the base. Not "liberal" like Romney, or have the baggage of Newt. Personnaly, of the 3 he scares me the most because he is the least qualified and the most blinded by his faith.
As a former Catholic woman, he terrifies me the most.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)He will make 30 percent of America very happy... and scare the shit out of 50 to 60 percent
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)than Mint Rmoney?
karynnj
(59,504 posts)to really access which Republican can win. I breathed a sighed of relief when GWB with all his baggage and limited accomplishments beat McCain. I feared McCain because people I knew well, who were pretty liberal, thought he was the straight shooter the media routinely described him as - and many really did not like Gore, who they saw as a very conservative Democrat. 2000 was still close enough to the time when you could have a Democrat more conservative than a specific Republican.
Later after McCain lost, I remember a dinner with friends, where the most politically knowledgeable person, completely shocked those happily thinking McCain was ok by listing how conservative he was on issue after issue - other than the few where he was ok. He then spoke of how there were 5 countries Mccain thought needed regime change. My thought was "He's scarier than Bush" In fact, either way we lose. As it didn't happen, I don't know if McCain would have been an easier win - maybe with no cheating - or if the media actually made Bush more "charming". (I never saw said charm )
I think Romney has some REALLY big obvious negatives. I laughed years ago when my youngest said Romney could never win because he put the unfortunate Seamus on the roof of his car. Now, I think she is totally right. Just as Alexandra Kerry's story of Kerry caring enough that he rescued a drowning hamster made some nonpolitical people like him more, this does the opposite. It shows a pretty strange, uncaring person - who cared more for his luggage, which was in the car, than the dog.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Santorum doesn't come across as uncaring. He comes across as a populist with some extreme views on social issues. What effect would that combination have on voters in the general? Who knows?
karynnj
(59,504 posts)because they fostered a liberal climate. Both attacked back - Kennedy blasting him on the floor of the Senate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4092037
The thread actually attacks but Romney and Santorum - and Santorum actually looks the worst.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Because the best answer to that today is to point to Ireland -- a bastion of religious conservatism with abuse problems that were at least as bad as everywhere else.
NAO
(3,425 posts)Santorum supporters are impervious to all facts and reason (otherwise they would not support Santorum). This means even a trillion dollars in a super-duper-attack-ad-pac, with 24/7 attack ads on all US TV, would just be money wasted.
I'm also far too partisan - and too bruised by 2004 - to make any accurate assessments about electability.
But am am very concerned, increasingly concerned about Santorum.
The religious fundies (there are LOTS of them) are really fired up about the contraception thing. For them it's about FREEDOM, not about contraception.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)plus TX, KS, OK, IN.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)New poll out today has Santorum leading in TN with Newt in third.