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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:06 PM May 2013

Life as One of the Most-Persecuted Ethnic Groups on the Planet

Imagine that you live in Afghanistan. Your ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years, but you are a minority. In fact, you are a minority two times over, because the religion you practice is different from the one most people practice, and the way you look is different from the way most people look.

In the 1890's, Emir Abdur Rahman comes along. He is a king who reserves special scorn for your people, and in order to control territory and to scare troublesome groups in
to obedience, he makes an example out of yours. Your people are easy to target -- the different-believers, the different-lookers.

<snip>

You are Hazara. Your name actually means "thousand," and you are reliving your own founding myth. You look Asian because your ancestors in Afghanistan were Buddhist pilgrims, or because you descended from Genghis Khan, or both -- this is a contested historical point.

You are Muslim, but you are Shia. What this means is that in Afghanistan, you believed in the right God, but the wrong way. In Iran you believed the right way, but looked wrong. In Iraq, and now in Syria, you were wrong in both ways.

<snip>

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/life-as-one-of-the-most-persecuted-ethnic-groups-on-the-planet/276060/?google_editors_picks=true

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Life as One of the Most-Persecuted Ethnic Groups on the Planet (Original Post) cali May 2013 OP
As I've always said.... clarice May 2013 #1
if it was not religion it would be something else, the way you pronounce a word or so loli phabay May 2013 #2
you are right...but I still think it's spooky. nt clarice May 2013 #3
I agree with you. Just take the Cockneys of England as an example. They're Cal33 May 2013 #4
have a banana, sorry couldnt resist but theres a comedian called bill bailey loli phabay May 2013 #6
Except that you have no examples to offer, because it has usually been religion that is the key Bluenorthwest May 2013 #8
well, the Holocaust wasn't about religion as much as ethnicity. cali May 2013 #10
really you cant think of any persecution that is not religion based, i guess you must learn loli phabay May 2013 #11
Here's one of countless examples: The English began subjugating the Irish from Cal33 May 2013 #17
the novel and the movie "The Kite Runner" touched on the subject of the Hazara Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #5
interesting ... I figured this was going to be about the Roma... opiate69 May 2013 #7
thats the bigotry that most dont talk about as its not glamerous. loli phabay May 2013 #12
it gets talked about more than this cali May 2013 #13
problem is its discussed as a onr size fits all, there is a huge disparity loli phabay May 2013 #15
True... and I would bet... opiate69 May 2013 #16
What a well wirtten piece this is! Wish I could rec more than once. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #9
Imagine no religion. Arugula Latte May 2013 #14
 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
2. if it was not religion it would be something else, the way you pronounce a word or so
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:10 PM
May 2013

People are tribal at heart regardless of what they tell you or think they believe

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
4. I agree with you. Just take the Cockneys of England as an example. They're
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:16 PM
May 2013

still being put into their places, even though they are Englishmen and look
the same as the other Englishmen. It's just that they sound different
when they speak.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
6. have a banana, sorry couldnt resist but theres a comedian called bill bailey
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:18 PM
May 2013

Who does a whole skit on cockney music. Though chas and dave are awesome for drinking songs.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Except that you have no examples to offer, because it has usually been religion that is the key
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:25 PM
May 2013

From the Crusades and Inquisition, the Troubles, the holocaust, it's always religion. It is not something else. Where are the word pronunciation mass murders, invasions, occupations, slave trades based on pronunciation?
It's easy to say 'it would be something else' but hard to support the assertion.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. well, the Holocaust wasn't about religion as much as ethnicity.
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
May 2013

You could be a practicing Christian, for example, but if one of your grandparents was Jewish, than you were considered Jewish.

And just where do you think religion comes from? It's born out of human nature.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
11. really you cant think of any persecution that is not religion based, i guess you must learn
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
May 2013

Different history in the your part of the usa. One example of people killing each other who shared their religion, the city states of greece i am sure you can find other examples.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
17. Here's one of countless examples: The English began subjugating the Irish from
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:48 PM
May 2013

the early 11th Century on. Both countries were Catholic then. Martin Luther
started Protestantism in the 16th Century.

Heritage History: Wars of Ireland
www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php?Dir=wars...ireland.php?
The colonization and subjugation of Ireland by England proceeded over a long
period ... The first two systematic wars of conquest of Ireland by England were the ...

What about the Roman Empire? It lasted 1000 years. They colonized
England for 400 years, from the 1st to the 5th Century A.D. Religion had
nothing to do with their lust for conquest. It was a question of "I am stronger
than you, and I am taking your land, and you'll be working for me."

The Romans colonized most of the nations surrounding the Mediterranean Sea,
and were collecting taxes from all of their colonies.

"Might is right + greed" have always been some of the most frequent reasons
for wars. Napoleon, Genghis Kahn and Alexander the Great are further examples.
The examples are countless.

I agree with you, though, that religion has also always been another frequent reason.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
5. the novel and the movie "The Kite Runner" touched on the subject of the Hazara
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:17 PM
May 2013

In The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini there was a sub-message of how the Hazara's were mistreated and regarded as inferior. The main character's closest childhood friend was a Hazara servant boy. After the war and after years of living in the San Francisco Bay Area the main character returns to Afghanistan to try to find the son of his childhood friend who had been displaced and orphaned by the war.

BTW: It is a fabulous book and an absolutely fabulous movie - for those who have not read the novel or seen the film.

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Kite_Runner.html?id=9M7Vo5Ac4UkC


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419887/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. it gets talked about more than this
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:38 PM
May 2013

though far more in the European press than the U.S. press

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
15. problem is its discussed as a onr size fits all, there is a huge disparity
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:06 PM
May 2013

Between what outsiders see as ROM and the reality of the different factions within the nation. Also we see the good intentions that will ultimately destroy the nation and the families. Its a complex issue that for too long has had solutions tried to be forced.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
16. True... and I would bet...
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:50 PM
May 2013

A huge number of Americans have no idea that the Romani not only still exist, but are also estimated to number over a million in population here in the States.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. What a well wirtten piece this is! Wish I could rec more than once.
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

Really brings home the issues facing people as the fighting speads to country after country in the ME.

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