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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:58 AM May 2013

Meanwhile, back in North Carolina (57 arrested in 4th Moral Monday)



RALEIGH — The crowd inside the state North Carolina Legislative Building has grown larger each Monday as has the number of demonstrators arrested by General Assembly police.

The Rev. William Barber, the head of the state NAACP and chief architect of the weekly Moral Monday demonstrations in the capital city, watched from behind the police line on Monday evening as demonstrators united in message to the GOP-led General Assembly waited to be walked out by the approaching officers.

The chanting, songs and political speeches that had rumbled through the second-floor rotunda were muted by the repeated zip, zip, zip of General Assembly police pulling out plastic ties to bind the wrists of the protesters.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/05/20/2906393/nc-demonstration-against-gop-lawmakers.html##storylink=cpy
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Meanwhile, back in North Carolina (57 arrested in 4th Moral Monday) (Original Post) mmonk May 2013 OP
Good article--160 arrested so far... marions ghost May 2013 #1
Should be an interesting day concerning legal arguments. mmonk May 2013 #2
Video outside the General Assembly and then the entrance two by two. mmonk May 2013 #3
Wow impressive marions ghost May 2013 #4
When the system becomes too gerrymandered and crooked, mmonk May 2013 #5
If the hijacking of NC continued without protest marions ghost May 2013 #10
Our plight has largely gone ignored until recently. mmonk May 2013 #11
It's easy for people who don't know how this was done by ALEC et al marions ghost May 2013 #13
Exactly. They don't really understand until it happens to them. mmonk May 2013 #14
When this story is written marions ghost May 2013 #21
This is how you do it. bemildred May 2013 #6
Every person arrested should demand a jury trial. hobbit709 May 2013 #7
That would be an effective tactic. mmonk May 2013 #12
I think there's rules for that. In TN you have to be facing a fine of more than $50 to qualify. But, okaawhatever May 2013 #36
Good Idea marions ghost May 2013 #38
Civil Disobedience requires arrests to be effective. MineralMan May 2013 #8
Yep. mmonk May 2013 #9
Kick!! LeftInTX May 2013 #15
I wish the article had a little more info on what their goals are Matariki May 2013 #16
Answering my own post... Matariki May 2013 #17
All of our laws are being changed by ALEC. mmonk May 2013 #18
"by force"? Matariki May 2013 #19
They won in 2010. mmonk May 2013 #20
Oh man. Matariki May 2013 #24
I'm now a big proponent of proportional voting. mmonk May 2013 #27
This video explains what the issues are: marions ghost May 2013 #23
thanks! Matariki May 2013 #25
Go, North Carolina!!! johnnyreb May 2013 #22
NC can't fight this Juggernaut alone marions ghost May 2013 #26
My cousin is in Charleston. Thanks much! mmonk May 2013 #28
Send our awe and respect to your cousin. I love Barber, tne NAACP and these North Carolinians! freshwest May 2013 #33
Will do. mmonk May 2013 #39
The people who got arrested this time marions ghost May 2013 #29
I would like to know what statute they are getting that from. mmonk May 2013 #30
Wondering that too marions ghost May 2013 #31
Agreed. mmonk May 2013 #32
Come back & tell marions ghost May 2013 #34
This is so awesome! octoberlib May 2013 #35
K&R marions ghost May 2013 #37

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
1. Good article--160 arrested so far...
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:28 AM
May 2013

"Since April 29, nearly 160 people have been arrested while protesting at the Legislative Building. The first Moral Monday demonstration brought 17 arrests, the next brought 30, then 49. This week, General Assembly police took nearly 60 protesters to the Wake County Detention Center, where they will be jailed briefly and given a date to appear in court. The official number of arrests Monday was not available at press time.

The first wave of protesters are scheduled to appear in Wake County court on June 24, but lawyers representing some of them plan to challenge the authority of the General Assembly police to charge the demonstrators with trespassing, disorderly conduct and failure to disperse during a peaceful demonstration.

The courts will be asked to weigh whether the demonstrators’ First Amendment rights to assemble peaceably and petition their lawmakers were violated by a General Assembly police force citing building rules not encoded in state statute as their basis for arrest."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/05/20/2906393/nc-demonstration-against-gop-lawmakers.html#storylink=cpy

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
2. Should be an interesting day concerning legal arguments.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:33 AM
May 2013

In the meantime, these days will keep going.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
4. Wow impressive
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:52 AM
May 2013

"let them see the faces of the people they are hurting..."

This video takes a few minutes but I hope some here will watch it--love the part where the people cheer for those who are entering the building knowing they will be arrested.

I hope they keep this UP--this action is worthy of the best of North Carolina.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
5. When the system becomes too gerrymandered and crooked,
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:12 AM
May 2013

this becomes the only way to be heard. The voice taken away becomes the loudest in time.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
10. If the hijacking of NC continued without protest
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:14 AM
May 2013

I think we could give up on NC.

If this continues I hope there will be national support like in Wisconsin.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
11. Our plight has largely gone ignored until recently.
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:01 PM
May 2013

But our system has been hijacked and changed one of the most.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
13. It's easy for people who don't know how this was done by ALEC et al
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:27 PM
May 2013

& Art Pope to just chalk it up to "what do you expect from a backward state?"

Actually that is way too simplistic a view.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
14. Exactly. They don't really understand until it happens to them.
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:52 PM
May 2013

They weren't expecting Wisconsin. But because of stereotyping, they ignore North Carolina. They probably don't even know Democratic candidates for Congress received more votes than Republicans, but because of gerrymandering, the final outcome was that 9 Republicans were elected and 4 Democrats. This is democracy in reverse.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
21. When this story is written
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:47 PM
May 2013

it will be, "how to steal a state" and like you say, put it into reverse.

People around the country need to understand what is happening in NC.

Democrats and progressives need to support the protestors in Raleigh.

This is NOT southern conservatism as usual. This is a deliberate, well-funded, rightwing extremist hijacking.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. This is how you do it.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:20 AM
May 2013
There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
36. I think there's rules for that. In TN you have to be facing a fine of more than $50 to qualify. But,
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:42 PM
May 2013

it might help get any fine down if they have a similar rule. Demand a jury trial if there's a fine more than the cut off. Now, I think the protesters could appeal, that would probably give them the most leverage.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
16. I wish the article had a little more info on what their goals are
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:58 PM
May 2013

what they're protesting.

For those of us not from North Carolina.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
17. Answering my own post...
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:59 PM
May 2013

RALEIGH, N.C. — The North Carolina chapter of the NAACP's fourth straight week of protests at the state legislature resulted in 57 arrests Monday evening.

Arrests have grown every week of what the group calls "Moral Mondays," totaling 153.

The NAACP and other activists have directed their anger at policies on social programs, voting rights, education and tax reform. They argue decisions to refuse Medicaid expansion, cut unemployment benefits, require photo identification at the polls, and other actions show a disregard for the state's most vulnerable residents.

http://www.wral.com/nc-naacp-enters-fourth-week-of-legislative-protests/12463599/

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
18. All of our laws are being changed by ALEC.
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
May 2013

Our nationally recognized school system in Wake County has been attacked (due to its socially economic diversity the tea party attacked). We had one of the most stringent environmental law structures in the United States and they are dismantling it. They refused Medicaid expansion. They are attacking all labor laws and standards. Many more but you get the picture. We went from a moderate state (and a legislature that hasn't been Republican since reconstruction) to a tea party state by force.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
20. They won in 2010.
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:36 PM
May 2013

They then gerrymandered the system and are now working on voter ID. In 2012, we out voted them and lost due to gerrymandering. It currently is in the hands of the courts but meanwhile, we can't vote them out unless Republicans (a minority) vote them out. In other words, we are under minority rule and all their legislation is partisan or corporate.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
24. Oh man.
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

That really really sucks. I'm afraid we're going to see more of this unless something is done. It's the only way republicans are going to be able to ever win, considering their dwindling popularity. Ugh.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
27. I'm now a big proponent of proportional voting.
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:45 PM
May 2013

I'm trying to join all organizations that support it.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
23. This video explains what the issues are:
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:59 PM
May 2013

"...More arrests are expected on May 20, the next "Moral Monday" called by the N.C. NAACP and its coalition partners in protest of the Republican supermajority's ramrodding of nearly 2,000 bills -- many of them designed to decimate public education, deny/restrict access to health insurance, kneecap labor rights, seize local control from elected municipal governments, restrict women's access to reproductive healthcare, expand firearms permissions, eviscerate oversight boards, permit exploitation of public lands, implement "fracking" and other environmental abuses, and suppress voter rights -- through the state legislature since the end of January.

Here's a great video published online by UpWorthy that tells the story of those arrested and why they chose to make this statement. This is not a small effort. The 96 people who've chosen to sit, stand, and sing in the hallways of the N.C. General Assembly are backed by thousands of North Carolinians who are coming to the NCGA to be heard. (See the footage around 6:50 into the video clip.)*

This is the beginning of a groundswell moment in North Carolina history: the tipping point at which Tar Heelinians let our legislators know, in no uncertain terms, that they either serve the state with the consent or the governed or we will withdraw our consent. But we will not back down. We will not go back. We've worked too hard and paid too much to be dragged back in time by the "secret political societies" our state's constitution authors warned us about.

Many of these bills are taken verbatim from the American Legislative Exchange Council's (ALEC) "model legislation" playbook. All of this is made possible now that our newly elected Republican governor, Pat McCrory, has named Art Pope the state's deputy budget director. Pope's long been known as an ALEC vizier; his bankroll seeded the campaigns of many of the lawmakers now working to implement ALEC plans in North Carolina.

Yesterday, May 16, was Crossover Day at the N.C. General Assembly: the date when bills that pass the N.C. House of Representatives cross over to the Senate side, and when bills that pass the N.C. Senate cross over to the House side. Once bills have made their way through both houses intact, they are delivered to the governor's desk for signature (although in some cases, Gov. McCrory has allowed bills to become law without his signature).

According to the Raleigh News & Observer, here are just a few of the odious bills that survived crossover. Yes, this is an exhaustive list. In less than 12 weeks (from January lawmaker installation to bill submittal deadlines late in March and early in April), nearly 1,000 bills were submitted in the N.C. Senate and more than 1,000 in the N.C. House..."

More about the bills: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/17/1209879/-N-C-civil-disobedience-Nearly-100-arrested-so-far-for-protesting-ALEC-ification-of-state

*Video:

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
26. NC can't fight this Juggernaut alone
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:37 PM
May 2013




"A juggernaut in colloquial English usage is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable. Originating ca. 1850, the term is a metaphorical reference to the Hindu Ratha Yatra temple car, which apocryphally was reputed to crush devotees under its wheels. The word is derived from the Sanskrit Jagannātha (Devanagari जगन्नाथ "world-lord", one of the names of Krishna found in the Sanskrit epics.

The term is often applied to a large machine, or collectively to a team or group of people working together (such as a highly successful sports team or corporation), or even a growing political movement led by a charismatic leader—and it often bears an association with being crushingly destructive." (Wiki)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
33. Send our awe and respect to your cousin. I love Barber, tne NAACP and these North Carolinians!
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:50 PM
May 2013

This is what it takes, showing up again and again.


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
29. The people who got arrested this time
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:19 PM
May 2013

are barred from the building next Monday. So it looks like there has to be a fresh crop every time.

Is this how it was in Wisconsin?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
30. I would like to know what statute they are getting that from.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:50 PM
May 2013

Never heard of it. I get their strategy though.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
31. Wondering that too
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:55 PM
May 2013
you mean the strategy of "they'll run out of gas once their main civil disobeyers get arrested"--that strategy?

People need to keep coming, keep coming. An ongoing vigil. It's the only way.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
35. This is so awesome!
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:36 PM
May 2013

I've been thinking about making a trip up there from Charlotte. Thanks for posting.

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