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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK tornado survivor finds her missing dog alive while talking to a reporter:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147264nSweet!
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Her reaction was priceless.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)It was obvious to me that she was not able to bend down & pick up her poor little poochie..
I am heartened to see that she at least has him,and he , her..
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)FFS, you're going to stand by and watch the poor little old lady try and pull debris off her dog? Why, because you'll ruin the shot? I effin hate the media.
wake.up.america
(3,334 posts)Looks as if the dog is in reasonably good shape.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Which you know about by watching the video they took?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You are right.
Let me join you
You know one thing I carry in the jeep? Plush toys, you know why? Kids.
You know what else I carry? Water... You have no idea how many bottles I have given away.
It's not about me...I have seen many other local reporters do this as well.
Oh and the unhelpful media helped her get the dog out, after finding the dog
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)So having done one good deed, it would have been silly of them to help a FRAIL AND DEVASTATED OLD WOMEN lift some debris off the unfortunate animal.
Stupid me, thinking that people should help others whenever they can.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But they did.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Thanks.
I am glad she found the pooch, and that the media helped her.
Let me correct this further, I am glad reporter found the dog.
Her questions...not so much
onecent
(6,096 posts)can we??????
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Everything is unstable as all hell. When the lady looked like she needed help, the news lady gingerly stepped over to help and between the two of them got the dog out. More people would have threatened the situation.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)If only the reporters in Washington had the same objectivity.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)In a nutshell...
-the news lady is the one who spotted the dog
-the news lady helped lift the debris
-the cameraman was likely tangled up in his camera
-given the amount of debris, I'd be afraid of it shifting and hurting the dog if more people started trampling through there
Where is the problem?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The tears just keep streaming. My heart goes out to all the people effected by this (and all the non-human friends as well).
mnhtnbb
(31,397 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)There are more alive.
malaise
(269,103 posts)Real nice
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)Phentex
(16,334 posts)I know that will bring her comfort above all else.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Delphinus
(11,835 posts)just made me cry! I'm so glad he was found and they were reunited.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)But now she's back with her people, she's happy.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)I am almost holding my breath hoping that they find some kids still alive in that school.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)eissa
(4,238 posts)how condescending her question sounded? Loved the woman's response -- of course she knows what happened!
I got a little teary when she found her dog
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)my house, neighborhood, city has been devastated. Or "gee, no, what did happen?"
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)asked "are you able to comprehend what happened here?" and that tough old bird replied "I know exactly what happened here. EXACTLY." A lady who doesn't suffer fools lightly. Loved that.
Kingofalldems
(38,466 posts)Good dog.
KC
(1,995 posts)me cry. I'm so glad she has her dog! He
looks like my Schnauzer so it doubled
my years!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Or as ok as can be
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Who wouldn't immediately try to uncover a dog trapped under debris? These idiots, who would rather watch a weak old lady try to do it by herself. Thank you, Anna Werner, not only for filming this dog rescue, but for exposing yourself as an inconsiderate asshole.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Spent much time in a tornado debris field?
lovuian
(19,362 posts)Tears of Joy
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I love this vid. So happy she found her dog alive!
Animal Chin
(175 posts)Kidney disease often takes these dogs younger than most, but other than that they are tough and fiercely loyal little animals. I wouldn't have any other kind of dog.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Bless this lady and her little doggy and everyone in Oklahoma today.
mc51tc
(219 posts)What a wonderful surprise for this lady. The dog was probably in shock and could not cry for help. Many others may be alive waiting to be rescued. Amazing to the see the little dog with no major injuries. So many horses did not fair as well
caldararo
(1 post)It should be obvious to people that we need to rethink building design in areas where tornadoes are common. The sheer magnitude of the destruction argues for a comprehensive approach to building codes, especially for school buildings. Native Americans who lived in these areas, namely the Mound Builders, apparently learned the basics in this regard. In Louis Henry Morgan's Houses and House Life of the American Aborigines, published in 1881, Morgan describes the design of houses,materials and placement on the landscape. All these elements need to be reconsidered today in areas where tornadoes are common.
Mound builders may have placed their buildings in the lay of the land and in directions seldom at variance with the direction of tornadoes. Though data on the history of tornadoes varies by location, in some areas it shows that they follow the same path and time of year, see Thomas Spencer, The Birmingham News, May 22nd, 2010. Information on Moundbuilder homes is scarce but the mounds in general show contours in line with the topography. Their layout appears a graceful set of curves, many of the buildings that are known or reported were made with ramps and set into the ground with pits. This may be a future research area for rebuilding areas where tornadoes are common today. Some mound sites can be seen in Jennings, Prehistory of North America, 1968, or on many websites. The only actual images of how the Moundbuilders built homes is from a few surviving copies of now lost watercolors by French explorer Jacques Le Moyne who visited a Moundbuilder site in the 1560s.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)It will help when some tornados strike.
However, if you are in the path of an F5 or even F4, I don't believe you can build anything that will withstand it.
The geology of parts the area makes it hard to buid underground. Safe rooms do help, but even they can't withstand the extreme storms.
The people working on design to withstand these storms should be asked to present their conclusions. Everything should be considered by those who are from the area and those who understand construction. One without the other will be much less effective.
Thinking out of the box should be encouraged. I don't mean that every new idea be implemented immediately. However, they should be considered. Sme are useless, some are ready to use, and some will have to be modified.
Using this method can add to safety and to general knowledge useful to all.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)You've given me a good line of research to check out. For a long time I've looked at alternate housing in case I ever have to rebuild, and I did find a dome design that's supposed to be very quake and tornado resistant. It seems to have much in common with the mound sites. The dome has a skirt that slopes to ground level. If located strategically, it would be a lot safer. As is, I have to keep hoping that if my present house has lasted a hundred years already, maybe it will continue safe and sound at least as long as I need it. I did put on a heavy duty metal roof with hurricane straps.
Tanuki
(14,919 posts)Very interesting post. As a side note, are you familiar with the Serpent Mound in Ohio?
http://www.arcofappalachia.org/visit/serpent-mound.html
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<<<..."Who built Serpent Mound?
Early excavations of portions of the Serpent Mound revealed no artifacts to help identify which Native American culture constructed this immense earthwork. It is possible that several different cultures used the site in succession over time, regardless of the identity of the original builders. Three conical burial mounds are associated with the site. Two of them belong to the Adena Culture (800 BC-100 AD), and one to the Fort Ancient Culture (1000-1650 AD). A nearby village site evidences occupation by both the Adena and the later Fort Ancient Cultures.
The most recent evidence for the authorship of Serpent Mound came in 1991, when a small excavation site from the late 1800's was carefully reopened for new examination. Pieces of charcoal recovered at that time were radio carbon dated to a little more than 900 years ago, which would seem to indicate the much later Fort Ancient Culture. The builders left no written records, so investigation and speculation continues on in both archaeological and less formal circles - attempting to explain the Serpent's mysterious origins.
What is purpose of the Serpent Mound?
The original purpose of the Serpent Mound remains a mystery - no record of explanation other than the earthwork itself has been discovered, and the historic oral traditions that might have connected us to the distant past were interrupted or discounted. However, there are many theories as to what the earthwork could have been intended for. Striking astronomical correlations suggest a sacred or practical calendar, and an earthly acknowledgment of cosmic celestial events. The nearby burial mounds (though the Serpent Mound itself does not contain any human burials), and the timelessly moving quality of the serpent's coils suggest it was once a site of sacred worship. Some people conjecture the serpent's form mirrors constellations found in the sky above. ">>>
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I'm grateful for those who survived.
As to the video, yes people do sometimes ask the dumbest questions. They'll ask "Are you hurt?" when you crash and burn right in front of them. I'm sure they really mean, are you seriously hurt. Although it makes me want to yell back, "No! I broke my neck just to impress you!" So I have a lot of sympathy for the dog's 'owner' but maybe a smidgen left over for the reporter. Maybe.
Regardless, it reminds me of a pertinent story about a Pulitzer-winning photojournalist covering a famine somewhere like Somalia a few years ago. Out in the desert he came across a lost or abandoned little girl who'd collapsed, but he also noticed a buzzard cautiously approaching. He knew a photo op when he saw one. So he waited until the buzzard hovered beside the child and then spread its wings, and that's when he snapped the picture. Before tending to the victim.
That picture is often included in reviews, but the photojournalist was so haunted by the entire situation and the fact that he had delayed even moments before rescuing the little girl that he later blew his own brains out.
Terribly sorry I don't remember his name. But I'll never forget the story. Or the picture.
REP
(21,691 posts)Carter's Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph
In March 1993, while on a trip to Sudan, Carter was preparing to photograph a starving toddler trying to reach a feeding center when a hooded vulture landed nearby. Carter reported taking the picture, because it was his "job title", and leaving.[5]
Sold to the New York Times, the photograph first appeared on 26 March 1993 and was carried in many other newspapers around the world. Hundreds of people contacted the Times to ask the fate of the boy. The paper reported that it was unknown whether he had managed to reach the feeding center. In 1994, the photograph won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography.[5]
Alternative account of the photograph
João Silva, a Portuguese photojournalist based in South Africa who accompanied Carter to Sudan, gave a different version of events in an interview with Japanese journalist and writer Akio Fujiwara that was published in Fujiwara's book The Boy who Became a Postcard (絵葉書にされた少年 - Ehagaki ni sareta shōnen).[6]
According to Silva, Carter and Silva travelled to Sudan with the United Nations aboard Operation Lifeline Sudan and landed in Southern Sudan on 11 March 1993. The UN told them that they would take off again in 30 minutes (the time necessary to distribute food), so they ran around looking to take shots. The UN started to distribute corn and the women of the village came out of their wooden huts to meet the plane. Silva went looking for guerrilla fighters, while Carter strayed no more than a few dozen feet from the plane.
Again according to Silva, Carter was quite shocked as it was the first time that he had seen a famine situation and so he took many shots of the children suffering from famine. Silva also started to take photos of children on the ground as if crying, which were not published. The parents of the children were busy taking food from the plane, so they had left their children only briefly while they collected the food. This was the situation for the boy in the photo taken by Carter. A vulture landed behind the boy.. To get the two in focus, Carter approached the scene very slowly so as not to scare the vulture away and took a photo from approximately 10 metres. He took a few more photos before chasing the bird away.
Two Spanish photographers who were in the same area at that time, José María Luis Arenzana and Luis Davilla, without knowing the photograph of Kevin Carter, took a picture in a similar situation. As recounted on several occasions, it was a feeding center, and the vultures came from a manure pit waste:
"We took him and Pepe Arenzana to Ayod, where most of the time were in a feeding center where locals go. At one end of the enclosure, was a dump where waste and was pulling people to defecate. As these children are so weak and malnourished they are going ahead giving the impression that they are dead. As part of the fauna there are vultures that go for these remains. So if you grab a telephoto crush the child's perspective in the foreground and background and it seems that the vultures will eat it, but that's an absolute hoax, perhaps the animal is 20 meters."
His suicide note said he was depressed over not having money for his debts and the things he'd seen as a photojournalist.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)For a much better and more complete version than that which was passed to me.
Even with the corrected details, I still sympathize with the suffering. Some people think the life of a globe-trotting photojournalist is so glamorous, but it seems to carry a high price for many.
Liberal In Texas
(13,563 posts)Wonderful outcome for an old lady who lost everything else.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)HarveyDarkey's post was the first one I'd seen on this story; you might want to give this a recommend, too! I just wanted to hug that sweet woman!
On edit, here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022880728
Liberal In Texas
(13,563 posts)npk
(3,660 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Technology is awesome.