"new gun enthusiast" killed by own assault rifle

[Capt. Obvious]

22-Year-Old Woman Killed In Assault Rifle Accident

Anastasia Adair, a 22-year-old Colorado woman, died after she was accidentally shot with an assault rifle she had recently purchased, TV station KMGH reported on Thursday.

Adair's husband, Shane, and other witnesses told police she was drinking with friends in her garage Tuesday night and wanted to show off the weapon. It fired twice, hitting her once in the head as she brought it to the room and passed it to Shane.

Lt. Gary Toldness, of the Federal Heights, Colo., police department, told KMGH initial analysis appeared to be consistent with the reports of an accidental shooting, though the investigation was continuing. He also said Adair purchased the weapon at a gun show in March and described it as an AK-47-type rifle.

KMGH identified Adair as "a new gun enthusiast." A photo posted on her Facebook page in August (left) seemed to show her and Shane using handguns on a shooting range.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/22-year-old-woman-killed-in-assault-rifle

I wonder if the they have Hatchet Man tats?

[CBGLuthier]

1. first rule of guns. The end with the hole in it is where the bullets come out fast.

Pointing that part of it at people can result in death. Oh well. Lesson learned and YARGO is done.

Maybe in all this enthusiasm to restrict drunk driving we can make it a criminal offense to ever handle a gun drunk. Would kill hunting, of course.

[Jenoch]

4. "Would kill hunting, of course."

Do YOU hunt while drunk? I never have and I've never been hunting with anyone who was drunk.

The drunken hunter is a stereotype, at least it is in my area. If it were common, there would be all kinds of arrests made by COs.

[hollysmom]

54. I thought the drunken hunter stereo type was Dick Cheney shooting his friend.

There are always some people who think they can handle it and then there are normal sensible people.

[Jenoch]

57. I bet if Cheney had been

drinking when that happened that part of the story would have come out.

There are small number of slob 'hunters' out there who will go hunting while drinking. I don't know of anyone doing that sort of thing. The alcohol, if any, is for after the hunt.

[hollysmom]

59. Remember, Cheney refused to meet with the police for 24 hours

and they ate in the woods before hunting, and there were stores there was booze there as well. The problem was, he just pulled a vice president and refused to deal with the local police and the secret service protected him. He had time to sober up, And the media was pretty much afraid of him.

[Jenoch]

61. I did not remember those details.

[hollysmom]

62. from Wiki

Dick Cheney hunting incident

Armstrong, the ranch owner, claimed that all in the hunting party were wearing blaze-orange safety gear and none had been drinking,[9] and that at lunch they drank beer,[10] which contradicts her later statement that "there may (have been) a beer or two in [the lunch coolers], but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."[11] Cheney has acknowledged that he had one beer four or five hours prior to the shooting. Armstrong said she never saw Cheney or Wittington drink until later at the house, when Cheney had a cocktail.[12] Armstrong did not actually see the incident happen, believing that the reason Cheney's security detail was running was that Cheney had a heart problem,[11] although Cheney described her as an eyewitness in his Fox interview.[8]

After Salinas finished his call with the Secret Service, Kirk called Salinas a second time to report that he couldn't get any information about the shooting at the Armstrong gate. Salinas told Kirk: "that it was fine and I [Salinas] would contact someone at the Ranch". Multiple news sources reported that local law enforcement officers were initially barred by United States Secret Service agents from interviewing Cheney.[22][23]
After dismissing Kirk, Salinas called a Constable Ramiro Medellin Jr to ask for information about the accident. None of the police reports say why Salinas thought to call Medellin, or where Salinas thought Medellin was. In that first call to Medellin, Salinas reports Medellin saying only that he would call Salinas back. Medellin called Salinas back and said that "This is in fact a hunting accident" and that he [Medellin] had spoken with some of the people in the hunting party who were eyewitnesses and that they all said that it was definitely a hunting accident. Salinas says he [Salinas] also spoke with another [unnamed] eyewitness and he[the witness] said the same thing, that it was an accident. Salinas states in his report: "After hearing the same information from eyewitness and Constable Medellin, it was at this time I decided to send my Chief Deputy first thing Sunday morning to interview the Vice-President and other witnesses."
On Sunday morning, Kenedy County Chief Deputy Gilbert San Miguel Jr. interviewed Cheney and other members of the hunting party. He said that Cheney characterized the incident as a "hunting accident"

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So accident happened Friday, interviewed him Sunday.

[premium]

6. Every hunter I know would never hunt/handle firearms while drinking. nt.

What happened to her, while tragic, is her fault, not the rifle.

[texshelters]

53. True

and wouldn't it be a good idea to have a "gun use" class like they have a driver's ed class before allowing people to have a gun? Or they could at least take a gun safety test like a driving test before getting a gun for the first time. Certainly, it won't prevent all people from using cars or guns while being drunk.

PTxS

[premium]

56. Now there is a great idea,

every first time buyer of a firearm should have to go through a firearms safety class, I think it should be a safety class for a handgun and a separate class for a rifle.
Thank you for a reasonable gun control idea, we need more people like you.

[texshelters]

114. Thanks!

PTxS

[RC]

104. Not quite true.

That weapon had been modified for a light trigger pull. Why? That weapon fired twice, when it should not have fired at all.

[premium]

105. That still doesn't make it the rifle's fault,

She should have never even picked it up while she was drinking, much less had it loaded with one in the chamber.

The bottom line is that, while tragic, the fault lies with her, not the rifle.

[RC]

110. If it had been modifies for a light trigger pull, it IS partially the fault of the weapon.

Again, it fired twice when it should not have fired at all. How is that the fault of the woman, drunk or sober?

[premium]

112. That rifle didn't just shoot all by itself,

someone had to pull the trigger, maybe when she handed it to her boyfriend, he accidently pulled the trigger, the bottom line is still that that rifle shouldn't have been loaded with one in the chamber and she should have never even touched it while drinking.

[Eleanors38]

8. Mario Cuomo (ex-governor of NY) promoted this stereotype...

...and got his kharmic justice by personally apologizing to the..................








............NRA.

[JackN415]

11. Should outlaw hunting with Dick Cheney as well

[Ghost in the Machine]

19. I normally don't participate in "pile-ons", but yeah, "Would kill hunting, of course" was so asinine

that I couldn't let it go without comment. I haven't drank since Oct. 1st, 1996, but I've been a hunter since I was 15 years old, and got my first .22 when I was 7 years old. Of course, that stayed locked in my dads gun safe, in a locked closet. I wasn't even allowed to look at it, much less touch it, without his supervision.

I have NEVER gone hunting while intoxicated, nor have I EVER hunted with anyone who *was* intoxicated. Alcohol and guns don't mix. Period. Not to mention that in most states it's against the law to possess a firearm while intoxicated. Hell, in my state, Tennessee, they will bust your ass worse for Hunting under the influence or Boating under the influence, than they will for DUI. They'll confiscate your guns, your vehicle, your boat and anything else they can get from you.

I cannot stand "slob hunters", the ones who leave their trash laying in the woods, and I'll NEVER consider poachers as "hunters". I'll turn a poacher in in a heartbeat... I have before and wouldn't think twice about doing it again.

Maybe in all this enthusiasm to restrict drunk driving we can make it a criminal offense to ever handle a gun drunk. Would kill hunting, of course.

As I pointed out above, we already have those laws. You seem to be pretty ignorant of those laws, and sounds like you're probably an anti-hunting advocate, too. What really sickens me though, is to see you and some other supposed "Liberals" taking glee in the tragic, although stupid, death of another human being.... yet if it was a "goggie", "kitteh" that got killed, or a child rapist/murderer being strapped to the electric chair, you'd be all up in arms and going nuts.

Shame on you!

Ghost

[5X]

30. Drunk hunting is very common in some circles.

Of course most don't do it, but it certainly happens.
I once made the mistake of going out with an acquaintance on opening day
of dove season. We ended up with his dad and several of his buddies. The first
stop was the beer store. And, there were lots of other "hunters" there at the same
time.

[marions ghost]

63. You think

that people actually pay attention to hunting laws???

Hunting & boating under the influence...is common.

[Ghost in the Machine]

79. Yes, "real hunters", not to be confused with the "slob hunters", douchebag poachers, other scofflaws

and just plain old dumbass idiots with a gun & hunting license, *DO* follow the rules, regulations and laws. All of the 's in the world doesn't negate that fact. I just happen to live in a "mecca", for lack of a better word, of both hunting AND boating/fishing activities. I live way out in the country, but also a less than 10 minute drive from the Tennessee River and Watts Bar Lake. Every year, I see and hear about people getting busted for poaching, hunting under the influence and boating under the influence. "Boating season" around here will 'officially' kick off in a couple of weeks, on Memorial Day Weekend, and it wraps up on Labor Day Weekend. Of course, there are people who fish/boat year round, too. Many use boats during winter Waterfowl Season, and also during deer season, to access some of the islands on the lake where deer are abundant.

Hunting & boating under the influence...is common.

That may be so for you and your circle of friends, since you can laugh about it and call it "common", but it doesn't hold true for me and my circle of fellow hunters and boaters. I wouldn't go in the woods, or on a boat, with ANYONE who was drinking, just as I refuse to get in a vehicle with anyone who was drinking...

Ghost

[marions ghost]

80. Where I am

... real hunters are outnumbered by the other categories you list. These shooters (they're not really hunters) ignore the laws because they aren't enforced. It really is a problem for the rest of us.

So just because you're a good guy doesn't make the world any safer from the stupid.

[Ghost in the Machine]

88. See, there's the difference between where we live, I guess...

Along with the TWRA (Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency), we have the Sheriff's Departments from the 3 counties that borders the lake out patrolling the lake on boats.

During hunting season, you can't hardly go down the road without seeing a Game Warden or TWRA truck, due mostly to all the public land available to hunt on, plus we have several Wildlife Management Areas (WMAs) around here, which require a special license to hunt on. The Game Wardens also do a lot of special night operations to catch poachers and spot-lighters. They have a bunch of stuffed deer that they'll put out in fields and hide nearby to catch people shooting at them via spotlighting. These deer are really life-like. They have robotic components built in them, so their heads will turn, tails will shake, and even raise up like they're flagging.

Hunting laws are taken VERY SERIOUSLY around here. Back when I was a teenager, the deer population was so low that deer season was only open for 2 weeks, and you were only allowed ONE deer (a Buck) per season, so if you got one opening morning, your season was already over. They had started a repopulation program, by bringing in deer from other states, mostly Michigan, Illinois, Ohio and Texas. Today we have a thriving herd, and season is open from Oct through January, with a bag limit of 5 deer... two of which *must* be antlered.

Compare that to Alabama, where season is open Oct through Jan, with a bag limit of ONE DEER PER DAY!

Peace,

Ghost

[marions ghost]

97. As the states get drained financially

especially the Rethug states, I doubt that a high level of effort to control shooters will be feasible. It's really grim to live where people pretend to hunt deer but really just want to play Rambo.

[Ghost in the Machine]

99. No worries about that here, in my (sadly) Red State...

Hunting/Fishing license fees, boat/jetski/waverunner registration fees and fines collected from those convicted of hunting/fishing/boating violations are used to fund our Game Wardens and the TWRA. They also have funds set aside for education and conservation projects.

We also have volunteer "shoreline clean-up days", where responsible boaters/fishermen spend the day out on the lake, and river, and clean up all the trash they can find, some of it from the local "lake slobs", other from storm runoff, and what has come downriver from communities above us, usually pushed by the higher, faster running water after a big storm. There is always great turnout, which leads to a great clean-up effort with a couple of tons of trash and debris being picked up.

Peace,

Ghost

[Kaleva]

38. Bars are full of drunk hunters where I live during deer hunting season

The vast majority of them have the sense not to handle weapons while out drinking at the bars or at camp but a few do.

[Recursion]

2. That editor would have ruthlessly corrected "Xerox" vs. photocopy or "Arabian horse" vs. "arabian"

But, yes, the press attitude lets this be called an "assault rifle" despite all factual evidence to the contrary.

[Capt. Obvious]

3. Even worse: "AK-47-type rifle"

This reporter has lost all credibility!

[rl6214]

16. And does it really matter what type of gun was used?

Surprised the article didn't comment on the illegal 30rd mag that was used as well.

[Recursion]

32. If there's still an active movement to ban gun types, yes

So, yes

[Eleanors38]

51. "All AK-47s All the Time." I think there used to be a web site...

prompted by MSM's obsession with the arm and how it crept into everything, sorta like sodium nitrate. For a time it rivaled the plastic Glock. Now, of course, it's the AR-15 "military style" "assault-type rifle" which has achieved uber alles status. But wait! Next it'll be 3-D guns!

[LanternWaste]

9. Much as they ruthlessly edit copy to accurately reflect the precise types of knives used in knife at

Much as they ruthlessly edit copy to accurately reflect the precise types of knives used in knife attacks? To be honest, we rarely, if ever, see any report referencing a "fixed-guard, long-spine, carbon-serrated blade with a planar concave... nor do we see anyone take exception when the press fails to make that particular distinction.

We also rarely see the precise make, year, and model of any vehicle which is involved in a fatal accident. Why, I once watched a reporter refer to a station wagon as a "car". I can only imagine the criticism the station received due to that error... despite "all facts to the contrary..."

However, as knives aren't really sacred cows to anyone, I imagine any precise distinction regarding them is viewed without fault or criticism.

[Recursion]

10. Tell me what type-specific knife legislation has been proposed in the last 20 years

Seriously, I'm waiting.

[frylock]

22. and that has fuckall to do with....?

[zerosumgame0005]

34. if there were an epidemic of mass knifings

that left dozens of kids dead you bet your ass there would be "knife legislation" proposed.

[TeeYiYi]

69. China...

...has had that epidemic in the past few years:


School attacks in China
(2010–12)

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings,
hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the
People's Republic of China began in March
2010. The spate of attacks left at least 25
dead and some 115 injured. As most cases
had no known motive, analysts have
blamed mental health problems caused by
rapid social change for the rise in these
kind of mass murder and murder-suicide
incidents. [1] Such attacks are extremely
rare in the United States such as the 2013
stabbing at the Lone Star College in Texas
in 2013 , and other nations have had
unexplained serial killings .

As the Chenpeng school attack was
followed by the Sandy Hook Elementary
School shooting in the United States hours
later [2][3] comparisons were drawn
between the two. The difference in gun
control laws between the two countries was
used to explain the disparity in casualties
of the school attacks by journalists and
politicians, including U.S. Representative
Jerry Nadler , [4][5] and an article in the
Associated Press noted that despite the
different outcomes, an underlying
commonality between the attacks was the
increased frequency of school attacks
because, "attackers often seek out the
vulnerable, hoping to amplify their outrage
before they themselves often commit
suicide." [6]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)

TYY

[zerosumgame0005]

70. did you notice

that in the Chenpeng school attack nobody dies? and as bad as it is already if guns had been used in those hammer and knife attacks the body count would not be 25, it would be more like all 140 of those cite in your quote...

[hollysmom]

58. Switch blade carrying is illegal in some states.

[Robb]

5. All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. RIP.

[Eleanors38]

7. One should not drink while using any firearm.

The "AK-47-type rifle" is not an "assault rifle."

Tragedies like this are easily avoided by following standard safety practices. Those coming into shooting sports as.an adult should take lessons from a competent instructor.

The vast majority of gun-owners do not suffer these kinds of problems because they DO follow recommended safety procedures.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. No true Scotsman. nt

[Eleanors38]

23. No, just a careless American.nt

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

24. A "careless American"

who would have been considered an upstanding, law-abiding gun owner by the NRA, and people such as yourself right up until her oopsie.

Face it, many gun owners (more than you would care to admit) are pretty careless and negligent when it comes to handling/storing firearms. Strong gun laws are necessary to protect the public from the type of idiots like the recently deceased.

[Eleanors38]

39. Laws against drunkenness in your own house & playing with a gun? Doubt it.

[pipoman]

43. Yet the stats just aren't there to support your claims..

[Eleanors38]

52. "We don't need no stinking stats."

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

66. Speaking of stats...

I'd like to know how many violent crimes that assault rifle prevented BEFORE the owners untimely death. We're constantly being reminded by the gun nuts of how many crimes private/legal gun owners prevent every year (like eleven-ty billion1111!). So I want to know, how many times was Ms. Adair able to foil the crimes of the roaming hoards of thugs, zombies, and black people who were laying siege to the neighborhood, before she blew her own head off?

[pipoman]

74. Your silly prejudice aside..the stats are pretty clear..

somewhere south of 400 people per year (and declining) for all rifles.. or around 1.3 per 100k..considering around 25% of the population own a rifle, they are relatively safe..

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

75. LOL "relatively safe".

If only people could restrict the consequences of their dumb actions, and bad lifestyle choices to themselves, gun-nuttery wouldn't be such a hazard and public safety concern. Unfortunately, all too often the safety and well being of innocent people is put into jeopardy because as a nation, we don't have the will to stand up to the minuscule number of man-children and broken people who've formed this sick sub-culture.

[pipoman]

76. Yep..people don't like to think that

things they do are as or more dangerous...especially people who like to believe themselves better than others...you know, bigots..

[Blue_Tires]

116. I'm wondering how much blame falls on the boyfriend and the example he sets

Since I'm guessing he was much more experienced with handling guns -- If he felt totally comfortable letting his girl handle a loaded rifle while drinking, it *must* be something he does regularly...

[Eleanors38]

117. Maybe. There is a very current attitude which utterly

resists conventional wisdom and expertise in favor of some mysterious faith in ones abilities, even if you know you are bone-dumb ignorant. I see it as a vulgar remnant of the otherwise sage advice of times past: Question authority.

[Union Scribe]

26. No, no living Scotsman. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Ooopsie daisy!

...

[JackN415]

14. At least, she dies doing what she loves

[CTyankee]

15. and hopefully, childless.

[etherealtruth]

48. Seriously

"At least, she dies doing what she loves" .... Do you honestly believe she understood the risks? Perhaps she did ... it is likely she did not.

Her death is extremely sad ... I can't imagine people that loved her thinking: Well at least she was able to own a gun

[JackN415]

72. I would not underestimate a mature woman, 22 y.o. who is into gun...

I once know a family with a 25-yo son who loved thrilled sports. He died from injury from a bungee jump in South East Asia. They accepted that. This woman is a gun enthusiast. To say she doesn't know gun kills is a stretch.

[etherealtruth]

73. "KMGH identified Adair as "a new gun enthusiast." "

do you honestly equate a "new" interest with a passion?

"To say she doesn't know gun kills is a stretch." ... are you seriously implying that a drunken 22 year old (from the article) with a NEW interest in guns understood the risk? Do you believe she entered into those activities cognizant of the fact that her life might be cut short?

By the way "New" interests are not equivalent to life long passions.

[JackN415]

77. She is dead

that is a fact.

Should her family think:
a) my daughter is a stupid girl, irresponsibly owned a gun (not knowing gun can kill), got drunk, and killed herself, or
b) my daughter made a choice of her life and accident happened as a part of her choice?

[JI7]

83. really ? i knew guns were dangerous long before 22 years , and especially if i was

drinking at the same time. and i have no interest in guns then or now.

[etherealtruth]

84. As evidenced vy the fact she is dead ... is it really clear to you that she understood the risks?

By the time I was 22 I understood the risks and would not handle guns, allow guns in my home ... and I most certainly would not have concurrently involved myself in "gun play" and alcohol consumption.

Is your contention that this was some derivation of Russian Roulette (implying she understood the risk and proceeded anyway/ after all by 22 she should have understood the risks)? .... or .... Is it your contention that she was so stupid as to not understand and therefore, deserved to die.

What exactly is your point?

My point is (if one reads this subthread) is that it is highly likely that she did NOT fully understand the danger associated with the use and handling of firearms ... believing herself to safe.

Despite my opposition to guns ... I find her death very tragic and find instances like this further solidifying my position against guns

[JI7]

85. my point is that if someone doesn't understand this long before 22 they probably should never

be near any gun.

[etherealtruth]

86. Then we actually agree

... I probably take it one step further. I don't believe that many folk understand the true dangers of guns ... and that they do not know what they do not know!

[leftynyc]

17. A Darwin award winner

Mixing guns with booze - how can that ever end well?

[Poll_Blind]

18. I am unnerved enough by how sober people handle guns at a gun range. To think...

...of someone handling a loaded gun drunk, showing it off....



What a pointless, dangerous, tragedy. I'm not Gun Jesus or anything, but do you need to be to understand the simple, straight-forward concept CBGLuthier mentions in the first reply to this OP?

first rule of guns. The end with the hole in it is where the bullets come out fast.

Seriously. I am not being snarky or anything. The fucking hole at the end is where the bullets come out fast. I try to imagine a line extending out, oh, about a half a fucking mile whenever I'm positioning my firearm when it's loaded. Shit, even though I keep them unloaded every single time I touch them I extensively check to make sure there's nothing in the chamber or anywhere else for that matter.

Guns want to shoot you and kill everyone you love. It's like owning your own nuke. Yeah, theoretically you can save your life with it but if you don't give it the kind of respect it deserves, and I am convinced most Americans really don't understand the level of respect a firearm deserves, you or someone you love is going to die with a surprised look on their face.

A totally pointless tragedy.

PB

[pipoman]

44. Except

the stats simply don't support these claims..around 600 accidental deaths annually in a population of 300m with between 1/3 and 1/2 owning guns. They are dangerous, and people are accidentally killed with them, but at no higher rate than many other recreational activities..

[marions ghost]

64. well said

---

[kestrel91316]

20. This is why we need MOAR GUNZ!!!!! Moar gunz will solve these sorts of problems.

[Uzair]

21. She would still be alive today

If it had been harder for her to get that gun. If the law was strict enough to force her to jump through a lot of hoops, she'd be alive. Require her to pass tests, get a license, register it, background check her, etc. Maybe she'd have decided, you know what, it's too much trouble, I don't need a gun. Or maybe she'd have been trained enough to know how to properly handle it after having had to take mandatory tests.

Either way, this woman is dead today because gun nuts don't want to change the laws. She is dead today because gun nuts don't care about anything except their precious, precious guns. Gun nuts will simply blame it on her, because they don't understand that we live in a society of imperfect human beings, and that sometimes it's in the best interests of ALL OF SOCIETY to place restrictions and regulations on deadly weapons, that sometimes even well meaning people make mistakes.

The blood of this woman, and the thousands of others who have died and will die in the future are on their hands.

It is a wonder how they sleep at night.

[Shadowflash]

33. +1000

[Eleanors38]

41. And you law against drinking is what?

[pipoman]

45. What else can we apply this logic to?

Anything which has an accidental death rate of .2 per 100k or higher, eh? The world will look much different once we have eliminated all of the things needed to make us all so much safer..

[Progressive dog]

55. Let's apply some logic

Anything that has a death rate of 10 per 100k should be regulated. So let's apply the logic that we already apply to other consumer products to guns. It would make us all much safer, even the "self defense " gun nuts.

[pipoman]

91. So 20k suicides wouldn't happen in the absence of guns?

[Recursion]

93. Surely fewer than 20k of them would have happened

Even if you grant that all 20K would have tried something in absence of having a gun (which I doubt), every other common method is less fatal than gunshot.

[Progressive dog]

100. What Is the price of tea in China?

Why do gun nuts change the subject? Only gun nuts insist that dangerous devices designed to kill should be given a pass because other things can be used to kill.
By the way, I said nothing about absence of guns did I? Yet another change of subject from the NRA sycophant gallery.

[pipoman]

102. Prohibitionists like to prohibit, then when that has little or no effect

they like to prohibit more and lash out with angry tirades of meaningless unsubstantiated claims and proclamations..attempting to change the subject instead of answering questions elicited by their tirades and proclaiming anyone who calls their nutso proclamations into question the enemy..it's why gun control loses at every turn, because rather than being honest they attempt to demonize irrefutable facts in favor of lies..

"Anything that has a death rate of 10 per 100k should be regulated."

The only way this number is accurate is if you are including around 60% suicides..

[Progressive dog]

103. Spinners like to spin, particularly those with nothing to say.

The NRA isn't going to hire gun nuts to speak for them unless they can string at least five unrelated topics into their gun defenses. The others get to remain in the congregation and just listen.
The gun nuts on the internets should read the NRA manual before posting.

[Uzair]

87. More pretending from a gun nut

Do you know why this never happens in Japan? Do you know why it rarely happens in Canada? In the UK?

Do you care about this woman's death, or do you dismiss it as "just a tragedy" that "couldn't be avoided"? Or do you think maybe she deserves it, or call it "Darwin" like some very people in this thread?

It's just more of the same pretending that we see all the time here. Pretending like this couldn't be helped, like it's just one of those things, like it's normal. Pretending like the gun problem hasn't been solved everywhere else.

THIS SHIT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS. IT IS NOT NORMAL.

Please note: You can own a gun in Canada. You can own a gun in the UK. You can even own a gun in Japan. NONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM HAVE OUTRIGHT BANNED GUNS.

But the selfishness of the gun nuts knows no bounds. You don't want to jump through the hoops. You want it to be as easy as possible. You want no changes to the law. And your attitude contributes to it. Your attitude contributed to the death of this young woman. Deal with it. Stop pretending.

You are all complicit, you all share the blame and the responsibility. You are the ones that keep the politicians from doing anything about this.

[pipoman]

89. How about you take it down a notch mr.112..you can ask questions without being an asshole, eh?

Do you know why this never happens in Japan? Do you know why it rarely happens in Canada? In the UK?

So then imagine how much better off we would be if we also outlawed swimming pools, ATVs, contact sports, skiing, motor sports, etc...that is of coarse since we are talking about accidental death by firearms..something like 60%, apparently including this woman, own for recreational purposes...and given the numbers .2 per 100k accidental death by firearm..seems there are many other recreational activities at or in excess of this death rate..

Do you care about this woman's death, or do you dismiss it as "just a tragedy" that "couldn't be avoided"? Or do you think maybe she deserves it, or call it "Darwin" like some very people in this thread?

LOL..what a load..cite your quotes...people are killed accidentally...they die in many ways..guns to no higher degree than many many other activities..reality it is..

It's just more of the same pretending that we see all the time here. Pretending like this couldn't be helped, like it's just one of those things, like it's normal. Pretending like the gun problem hasn't been solved everywhere else.

The pretending is on those who believe they can save everyone..those who pretend that since guns are used in the non-suicidal deaths 10k people per year, if all guns vaporized tomorrow 10k people per year would be saved..and then those who pretend that the 20k who commit suicide with guns annually would still be alive..the numbers of accidents have been in steady decline for years..

THIS SHIT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS. IT IS NOT NORMAL.

Please note: You can own a gun in Canada. You can own a gun in the UK. You can even own a gun in Japan. NONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM HAVE OUTRIGHT BANNED GUNS.


You should really learn to relax a little..vein popping tirades lead to all sorts of health issues..not to mention the total lack of respect associated with screaming on this board..most who like screaming don't last long around here..YMMV

That said, none of these countries are bound by the US Constitution or Bill of Rights..maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals you will be transported to one of these societal meccas you so love..or you and yours will act within the constraints of the BoR or go for a constitutional amendment or repeal of the 2nd..of coarse that isn't even a popular idea right here in DU GD..help yourself..

Maybe that is why you are reduced to screaming on a discussion board, eh?

But the selfishness of the gun nuts knows no bounds. You don't want to jump through the hoops. You want it to be as easy as possible. You want no changes to the law. And your attitude contributes to it. Your attitude contributed to the death of this young woman. Deal with it. Stop pretending.

You are all complicit, you all share the blame and the responsibility. You are the ones that keep the politicians from doing anything about this.

The hoops not being jumped through are those of you and yours..any changes will necessarily have to be able to withstand SCOTUS..most people's ideas on here can't and won't and that is precisely why they are not among the 10k laws already on the books..

If I am complicit in gun deaths because I own a gun then you are complicit in DUI deaths because you have a beer once in a while, heart attacks because you buy french fries, car accidents because you drive, swimming accidents because you swim, choking accidents because you eat..you get the idea how stupid that last couple sentences were now, eh?

Yeah..if you have a question ask..

[Uzair]

98. Your entire reply, while wordy, amounts to "no, I don't care".

Got it.

[pipoman]

101. Yeah, that's what I thought..no answers..

[premium]

108. Blah, blah, blah.

This certainly is a tragedy that could have been avoided, like her not drinking and handling a loaded rifle.
The only complicit one is her, not any of us, we didn't cause her to handle a loaded firearm while drinking, it's all on her.

[marions ghost]

65. +++++

so well said

[premium]

107. Wrong.

This woman is dead because she made a bad choice and decided to handle a loaded rifle while drinking, nothing more, nothing less.

I have no problem sleeping at night, I sleep like a baby.

[RC]

109. Also that weapon fired twice, when it should not have fired at all.

Yesterday's article noted that the weapon had a light trigger pull. Most likely it had been modified. Had the safety been modified or defeated also?

[newmember]

25. How the hell did it fire twice ?

She passed it to her husband holding the barrel loaded and it fired twice.



something sounds wrong here

[rightsideout]

27. The second shot happened after the rifle hit the ground

The first shot happened when she passed the gun to her husband and it went off.

The second shot happened when the gun hit the ground after she was struck. The second bullet didn't hit anyone.

Apparently, the rifle had a sensitive trigger. Not sure what the technical term is.

[bluedigger]

35. It didn't magically "go off".

If she passed it to her husband with the barrel pointed at her then it is a good bet he grabbed it by the pistol grip and engaged the trigger with the safety off. He probably reflexively pulled the trigger a second time when it jumped unexpectedly in his hand; nothing in the linked account mentions it firing when it hit the ground, but if other accounts do, we have to assume the witnesses were also intoxicated and in shock, and take their testimony with a grain of salt. He killed her, and blaming the weapon for having a "light trigger" is nothing but a transference of guilt. It was her responsibility to clear and safe the weapon, and his not to accept it until he saw her do it. Being intoxicated is rarely an excuse in the eyes of the law.

[MattBaggins]

40. Exactly

A weapon does not discharge unless some stupid numbnuts puts their finger on the fucking trigger.

[rightsideout]

71. I'm not a gun expert but explain these . . .

Huffington Post

"Witnesses told ABC Denver affiliate KMGH that Anastasia Adair, 22, was passing an AK-47-style assault rifle to her husband, Dana "Shane" Adair, when the gun went off. A second shot was fired when Anastasia fell and dropped the rifle, but no one was hit by it, two witnesses and the husband told police.

Shane Adair told police that the gun had a light trigger pull. Federal Heights Police Lt. Gary Toldness said that the fatal bullet's trajectory appeared consistent with the witness accounts of an accidental shooting. The investigation is continuing."

When she fell with the gun she could have knocked the trigger somehow. But the gun did fire the second time when it hit the ground. Something caused it. Of course these people were drinking.

Here's another recent one:

Woman Drops Purse In Starbucks, Gun Goes Off & Shoots Her Friend

http://mix1041.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/florida-woman-accidentally-shoots-friend-at-starbucks/


And another one at Starbucks in 2011:

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2011/12/28/news/19local_12-28-11.txt

[newmember]

90. Had the hammer cocked , there are some cheap guns without hammer block safeties

Now days all new production handguns , I believe come with them.

[Recursion]

92. And this was an AR; the cocking is part of the single operations cycle

That said, I'm also suspicious at the number of "gun magically going off" stories we've seen lately.

[newmember]

95. I was referring to the gun in the purse story

The gun in the purse was a derringer that fired when dropped.
She either had the hammer back in her purse without the safety on or
it was an older derringer that could be fired if you smack the hammer
with out it being cocked.

There are older derringers that will do that ,the news ones not so much.

[newmember]

96. And I agree , I don't buy these guns magically going off

He pulled the trigger , it was a mistake by the husband and he killed his wife.

[RC]

113. This weapon had a light trigger pull.

How many NEW weapons are manufactured with light trigger pull? I'm betting not many.
That means that that weapon had been modified by someone. What else had been tampered with to make that weapon less safe?
That weapon had been bought at a gun show. So, who really knows in what condition it was in? No way should it have gone off the second time, when dropped.

[NBachers]

31. How many of these "Gun spontaneously fires all by itself" stories have we heard?

[sigmasix]

29. NRA-approved 2nd amendment expression!

The NRA and it's adherents own a large amount of fault for these types of outcomes. The fault lies in the notion that gun rights are similar to voting rights and therefore anyone should be able to amass as many guns as they want. The NRA has made it a point to spearhead the fight to re-arm violent felons after a prison sentence. A gun is not the same as a vote in any sane examination of democratic liberties and the neccessary rights they entail. Gun ownership is not a neccessary civil right on par with voting- it seems that it ought to be a conditional right dependant on the responsibility, ability and maturity of the citizen.
Profoundly developmentally disabled individuals have the unalienable right to vote, no matter thier functioning level; we would never suggest that this same population have the same unalienable right to gunz. The reason for this is that rational Americans understand that gun ownership, like brain surgery, isnt something that every American becomes an expert at upon the purchase of said gun -right wing extremist revisionist interpretations of one of our constitutional amendments, notwithstanding.
The NRA continues to destroy America and reasonable gun laws as this woman's family buries her body.
I have never met an NRA member that wasnt a cowardly fox "news" viewer with misanthropic attitudes about the "other". The continuing sensless carnage in the name of NRA cultural warfare is dissolving our cohesion as a nation and toxifying our shared values.
Why do teabagging NRA members hate America so much?

[pipoman]

46. So bizarre

is the thinking that .2 per 100k accidental death rate is shockingly high relative to many, many other recreational activities..

[HolyMoley]

36. Another article mentioned a "light trigger pull".

That sounds suspect right there on that particular type of firearm.

Either the fire control group was worn to shit, or someone took a file to it in an attempt to lighten it.

Add alcohol to the mix and well, who couldn't have seen this coming?

[99Forever]

37. Another law-abiding, reasonsible, legal gun owner...

... demonstrating why mo' gunz, mo' gunz, mo' gunz is the answer to all problems.

At least this one didn't take out anyone but herself.

[etherealtruth]

42. A young life lost through stupidity

Very tragic

I am extremely "anti-gun" but I do not relish and am not willing to make light of anyone's death. Senseless deaths like this sadden me and solidify my position.

[pipoman]

47. Do you apply this anti-? position to all

recreational activities which has an accidental death rate at or exceeding .2 per 100k?

[etherealtruth]

50. The sadness associated with a senseless death ... yes, I do

Your post implies you do not?


http://www.freep.com/article/20130516/NEWS01/305160163/detroit-police-shooting-tip-west-side-argument
"Thirteen people were shot, one fatally, during eight incidents in the 24-hour period between Wednesday and Thursday mornings, police confirmed.

The spike in gun violence includes a shooting on Detroit’s west side Wednesday that left four people injured and a 54-year-old woman dead."

I remain horrified

[WinkyDink]

49. Darwin.

[RetroLounge]

60. As long as these dumbasses keep shooting themselves

then I've not a problem with it.

RL

[AlinPA]

78. Thankfully she did not allow a child to play with the loaded gun.

[RetroLounge]

120. Only a matter of time.

Better she offs herself instead.

RL

[Gravitycollapse]

94. That's a pretty terrible thing for you to say.

[RetroLounge]

119. Deal with it.

One less dumbass with a gun is okay in my book.

RL

[Gravitycollapse]

121. No. I won't deal with it.

Your rhetoric is caustic and really unfortunate. Especially considering that you, in one capacity or another, represent this site.

I only hope that people reading your comments understand that most of us don't think like you.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

122. He has a point though.

How many home invasions, zombie apocalypses, and UN gun confiscations was her AK-47 able to prevent before her untimely death?

[RetroLounge]

123. Yes, of the 100,000 plus people here, I represent ALL of DU.

and we are all glad when a dumb ass shoots themself and not their kid or someone else.

So don't deal with it.



RL

[marions ghost]

67. tragic

she was "showing off" the weapon. That's how it happens a lot of time.

Look at me and my gun.

[sarisataka]

68. The story does not add up

Making assumptions and speculation:

It was likely the husband who taught her how to handle a gun. In the photo she is very conspicuously holding her finger away from the trigger. So assuming both are conscious of how to handle a gun...
Why would she pass him a rifle holding the barrel? Why would he grab it by the grip with his finger on the trigger? Why would he squeeze the trigger twice?
I am thinking it is possible one of the others there was the one handling it carelessly and fired it, perhaps under-aged...

In any case it is a tragic accident caused by negligence. The rifle should not have been loaded. When alcohol is out the guns are not.

[Mr. David]

81. One less useless Republican from Colorado

I do not grieve for local idiots who wants to stroke their guns. This is a confirmed Darwin Award nominee

[ileus]

82. She must not have kept good trigger finger control after a few drinks.

I see he's to a high quality Hi-Point and her's looks like another quality Taurus pistol.

How do you point a long gun at your head and shoot yourself twice by accident?

[Buzz Clik]

106. That sucks. One less foot soldier in the war against tyranny.

RIP

[tabasco]

111. Why are most of these chickenshit gun nuts too cowardly to join the military?

Want to play with guns, join the infantry, motherfuckers.

Very likely you'll get over your dumbass obsession.

[Dawson Leery]

115. Better than shooting one of us.

[npk]

118. LMFAO

Natural Born Idiots.