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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Fri May 17, 2013, 10:50 AM May 2013

Male rape survivors tackle military assault in tough guy culture

Shared through the American Legion, which shouldn't be surprising but is.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/16/18301723-male-rape-survivors-tackle-military-assault-in-tough-guy-culture

Amid the legislation and indignation sparked by the military's sexual abuse crisis, male rape survivors are stepping forward to remind officials that men are targeted more often than women inside a tough-guy culture that, they say, routinely deems male victims as “liars and trouble makers.”

The Pentagon estimates that last year 13,900 of the 1.2 million men on active duty endured sexual assault while 12,100 of the 203,000 women in uniform experienced the same crime — or 38 men per day versus 33 women per day. Yet the Defense Department also acknowledges “male survivors report at much lower rates than female survivors.”

“As a culture, we’ve somewhat moved past the idea that a female wanted this trauma to occur, but we haven’t moved past that for male survivors,” said Brian Lewis, a rape survivor who served in the Navy. “In a lot of areas of the military, men are still viewed as having wanted it or of being homosexual. That’s not correct at all. It’s a crime of power and control.

“But also, you’re instantly viewed as a liar and a troublemaker (when a man reports a sex crime), and there’s the notion that you have abandoned your shipmates, that you took a crap all over your shipmates, that you misconstrued their horseplay,” he added.


To be clear: women are much more likely to be victims of sexual violence while in the military. But male victimization is much more common. (If that seems impossible to you, trust me that it's not, or PM me for the demonstration).

What's important to me is that outlets like the Legion are picking this up. Sexual assault affects all sorts of people, and there is no place for it in the US military.
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Male rape survivors tackle military assault in tough guy culture (Original Post) Recursion May 2013 OP
Excellent post. thucythucy May 2013 #1
That's probably accurate Recursion May 2013 #2
And thread is now effectively pointless. Thanks. closeupready May 2013 #3
Why do you think the thread is pointless? Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #9
That's just you, and a significant portion of others here. closeupready May 2013 #12
What's not your view? Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #13
Done here. closeupready May 2013 #16
Okay. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #17
I agree. HappyMe May 2013 #14
evidently pointless BainsBane May 2013 #24
They're gonna have to rename this place, Psychic Underground, closeupready May 2013 #25
That's what happens when you refuse BainsBane May 2013 #26
Dewd, so done with you and your groupie bullshit. closeupready May 2013 #28
believe me BainsBane May 2013 #29
I think that can and should be done. thucythucy May 2013 #5
IMO putting a special focus on male victims is best. redqueen May 2013 #18
Thank you, RQ - 100% agree. closeupready May 2013 #20
I would bet that a lot of guys HappyMe May 2013 #6
I suspect the reasons men and women don't report geek tragedy May 2013 #8
I was referring to male victims HappyMe May 2013 #11
My point was that this is pretty much a universal reason geek tragedy May 2013 #15
^^^ That Recursion May 2013 #19
efficiency or efficacy? BainsBane May 2013 #30
Rape culture victimizes men, women, girls, boys nt geek tragedy May 2013 #4
+1 redqueen May 2013 #10
Wow! "38 men per day versus 33 women per day" 71 people every day! Zorra May 2013 #7
kick redqueen May 2013 #21
one more time redqueen May 2013 #22
reading, i was thinking the obvious, percentage wise the numbers would not be the same. BUT... seabeyond May 2013 #23
+1 redqueen May 2013 #27
kick Zorra May 2013 #31

thucythucy

(8,056 posts)
1. Excellent post.
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:04 AM
May 2013

Issues around male survivors are often ignored, which is devastating to the survivors themselves and integral in maintaining a general rape culture.

I've heard it said that the public awareness and perception of the rape of males is thirty years behind that of women and girls.

There's a lot of work that needs to be done, and I commend any person or organization willing to take this on.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. That's probably accurate
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:07 AM
May 2013

We need a way to talk about male victimization that doesn't take away from female victimization.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
9. Why do you think the thread is pointless?
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:38 AM
May 2013

I think it's exactly what is needed to draw attention to the male victims of rape in the military, and it deserves its own discussion, instead of inserting it into discussions regarding female rape victims.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
14. I agree.
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

Rape is rape. But I believe that there are issues unique to men in the military that can't be applied to female victims.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
24. evidently pointless
Fri May 17, 2013, 05:29 PM
May 2013

because it mentions that women too are victims of assault, rather than portraying them as inherently evil?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. They're gonna have to rename this place, Psychic Underground,
Fri May 17, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

and maybe see if one of the Celebrity Apprentice contestants is available for an endorsement tie-in...?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
26. That's what happens when you refuse
Fri May 17, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

to explain yourself. People are left guessing. I myself just say what I mean. It's much easier.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
29. believe me
Fri May 17, 2013, 07:16 PM
May 2013

I'm not your groupie. I have respect for the English language and people not afraid to say what they think.

thucythucy

(8,056 posts)
5. I think that can and should be done.
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:17 AM
May 2013

I used to volunteer at a rape crisis center where we often encountered male survivors. Not at the same rate as women and girls, but nevertheless often enough so that the issue was addressed in counselor training, and efforts were made to provide whatever support we could, assuming the survivor wanted it.

Male rape dynamics are similar if not identical to the rape of females. It's an expression of contempt and an exercise of power. But added in the mix for males is cultural homophobia, which can make it difficult for survivors to come forward. This is again based on cultural ignorance. The fact is a great deal of male on male rape is committed by heterosexuals--in prison, in the military, or on the street--again, as an expression of power and contempt. But male survivors often struggle in silence for fear of being labeled gay. Which is not to say that there isn't rape in the gay community--date rape, spousal rape, acquaintance rape--which is of course devastating in the much the same way that rape of women and girls is.

So it's a vicious mix: the rape itself, the weight of an institution (such as a prison administration, military chain of command, church hierarchy), and cultural ignorance and homophobia.

We need to support male survivors just as we support female survivors. A rape committed anywhere on anyone makes the next rape that much more possible.

Thanks again for posting this.

Best wishes.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
18. IMO putting a special focus on male victims is best.
Fri May 17, 2013, 12:12 PM
May 2013

We need posters and ads about rape with language aimed at boys and men, with images of boys and men.

We need boys and men to be able to see that people know this happens, and people care, and will listen and help.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
6. I would bet that a lot of guys
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

don't report rape because they figure nobody would believe them.

After all, you're a guy, how can you be raped!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. I suspect the reasons men and women don't report
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:37 AM
May 2013

rape are largely the same, though they may manifest themselves in slightly different ways with different degrees of frequency.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. My point was that this is pretty much a universal reason
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:52 AM
May 2013

why rape victims don't speak up--regardless of age or gender.

So I agree with you. Fear of not being believed, of being shamed, etc.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. ^^^ That
Fri May 17, 2013, 12:35 PM
May 2013

That was it, really.For me, the private/public distinction is meaningless if we are going to talk about efficiencyFor me, the private/public distinction is meaningless if we are going to talk about efficiency

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
30. efficiency or efficacy?
Fri May 17, 2013, 07:18 PM
May 2013

in reducing the stigma of reporting sexual assault and the frequent occurrence of those crimes?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
7. Wow! "38 men per day versus 33 women per day" 71 people every day!
Fri May 17, 2013, 11:33 AM
May 2013

Last edited Fri May 17, 2013, 08:50 PM - Edit history (1)

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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. reading, i was thinking the obvious, percentage wise the numbers would not be the same. BUT...
Fri May 17, 2013, 04:25 PM
May 2013

i really appreciate you posting this. men have got to speak out. not only for the whole. and to be effective in finding a solution. but for themselves and to de shame, as much as anyone can with rape. thanks for this post.

i support these men totally, stepping forward and speaking out. let them be heard.

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