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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLooks like folks jumped the gun - it was Angel Cordero that kicked down the door - he is the HERO!
There was also another interview on CNN this evening and Angel said HE kicked the door,
and that Charles didn't show up until Amanda was outside of the house.
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I helped her and I was first, Angel Cordero said in Spanish.
On Monday, Ramsey, Cordero and other neighbors in a west side neighborhood of Cleveland helped Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight escape. The women had disappeared in separate cases about a decade ago.
Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl, Cordero said. But the truth who arrived there, who crossed the street, who came and broke the door, it was me.
Wintel Tejeda, who lives across the street from the suspects house, said others helped and when Berry came out, they gave her a phone.
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http://www.kypost.com/dpps/shared/man-who-helped-free-missing-cleveland-women-berry-dejesus-and-knight-i-did-what-had-to-be-done1368007752813_8474649
Man helps missing women escape from Cleveland home
Angel Cordero is main witness in missing Cleveland women investigation after he helps Amanda Berry escape from home
When Angel Cordero heard Amanda Berry frantically screaming for help he jumped into action.
"I go by the door. I said, 'What happened?' She said, 'I've been kidnapped for 10 years, call the police,'" Cordero said.
His heart was racing when he got to the door. He was afraid, not knowing if he was in danger himself.
Cordero started kicking the door. He was able to pry it open just enough for Berry to escape.
"When Amanda came out, she said, 'I need to call the police. He's coming back. He went to McDonald's for food, but he coming back. I need the police,'" said Cordero.
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-helps-missing-women-escape-from-cleveland-home/-/1719418/20051968/-/9y9dgkz/-/index.html
malaise
(269,157 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)She had to be terrified.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Is this the third, fourth or fifth?
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)so that would be mighty strange of you to think that
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)i was agreeing with you
eShirl
(18,503 posts)uppityperson
(115,679 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)it should have been "you"
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)uppityperson
(115,679 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)There's this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022818055#post31
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Even though he said: ""Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl,""
"Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl," Cordero told the reporter in Spanish.
"But the truth who arrived there, who crossed the street, who came and broke the door, it was me."
Cordero said he and other neighbors helped Ramsey break down the door of the Seymore Avenue home.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cleveland-neighbor-charles-ramsey-freed-captive-women-article-1.1338192#ixzz2Sl2v17hv
Charles has always said he wasn't the 1st.
And I know ain't nobody over there. Heard that girl scream and saw him run across the street, and I went outside and wondered what he was doing, and - Amanda said, I'm stuck in here, help get me out. So he - guy don't know English that well or panicked, he just looked at me and it's a girl. And that's all he did. So here I come with my, you know, half eaten Big Mac and I looked and I said well, what's up.
And she's like I've been trapped in here, he won't let me out, me and my baby. I said well, we ain't going to talk no more, come on. I'm trying to get the door open, I can't, because he torture chambered it some kind of way and locked it up, right? So I did what I had to do and kicked the bottom of the door, and she crawled out of it. She grabs her baby, which threw me off, all right, so fine. I got some girl and her kid.
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COOPER: Amanda Berry then, what, asked to call 911?
RAMSEY: Mm-hmm. And I took her to my house. Now I'm nervous as hell so I'm fumbling with my phone, so I finally get it right. She can't wait and I don't blame her. So what I do was tell her go across the street and use their phone. Now we're both calling 911. Now she gets through and I get through. She deal with a moron, me, too.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/07/transcript-video-charles-ramsey-ac360-exclusive-invu/
It's Angel's word against Charles'. I think I'm going to go with the guy who didn't wait until the other one refused to take the reward before telling his story.
Anyway, Amanda knows what happened and the truth will come out eventually.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)or can we give them all a bit of thanks for helping out these poor girls?
Why do we have to destroy the credibility of any of them?
Turborama
(22,109 posts)I'm just trying to help get the facts straight as the OP seems very determined to diminish Charles' credibility and participation in saving the victims.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)I think everyone who helped these girls should be thanked.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)And there's this:
Angel Cordero is the person that kicked down the door for Amanda Berry
Cleveland Hero Did Time For For Domestic Violence
President Obama will probably need to stay real far away from Charles Ramsey
Together they look like an attempt to diminish Charles' credibility and participation in saving the victims.
uppityperson
(115,679 posts)editorializing. I see your point, also good to get out other info as things develop.
Anyone who participated deserves credit. Did you see earlier today a newbie promoting a site to raise money for Charles Ramsey? I am suspicious of it all, cynical of people's motives.
But very glad these women (and child) were finally rescued.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)"the truth will come out eventually."
Why does it seem as though you and the OP are trying to pit these two against one another? If you concede that Charles admitted that he wasn't the first one there, then what is the problem? Whether one or both of them saved these people, why isn't that the most important thing here?
Turborama
(22,109 posts)newmember
(805 posts)Amanda is going to know who kicked down the door and helped her out.
Number23
(24,544 posts)She'll be thankful to everyone that helped. Everyone.
treestar
(82,383 posts)One thing is he doesn't speak English, does Amanda speak Spanish? Cordero gives us a translation.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)The first interview of him was in English. He is just more comfortable in Spanish.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Let's wait for Angel's rap sheet to hit the media, and then we can pick a new hero.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)For reasons unexplained.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)You editorialized and gather all the articles to present one side after your post on Ramsey history. It is obvious to all but you I guess. Or your cute and innocent act is just that. Why don't you tell us what you have against Ramsey.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Trust me. Years from now you'll look back and see this is not one of your finest moments.
EVERYONE WHO BROKE THROUGH THEIR APATHY AND HELPED IS A HERO.
Not hard at all.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Charles had several days in the spotlight.
In my opinion Angel should get the attention that he deserves
Bottom line I think this is a case of the media rushing to get a story out without having all the facts of what happened.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Apparently they had a pretty extended conversation.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)This entire 'hero debacle' is silly. We don't need to declare anyone a hero. We just need to congratulate them on what they did.
All of them.
Then move on.
alp227
(32,052 posts)Angel (a fitting name by the way) by breaking down the door and Charles by calling police.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)in the Cleveland kidnapping rescue.
It's just that I can't think of any offhand.