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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Wed May 8, 2013, 05:54 PM May 2013

3D-Printed Gun's Blueprints Downloaded 100,000 Times In Two Days (With Some Help From Kim Dotcom)

If gun control advocates hoped to prevent blueprints for the world’s first fully 3D-printable gun from spreading online, that horse has now left the barn about a hundred thousand times.

That’s the number of downloads of the 3D-printable file for the so-called “Liberator” gun that the high-tech gunsmithing group Defense Distributed has seen in just the last two days, a member of the group tells me. The gun’s CAD files have been ten times more popular than any component the group has previously made available, parts that have included the body of an AR-15 and the magazine for an AK-47.”This has definitely been our most well-received download,” says Haroon Khalid, a developer working with Defense Distributed. “I don’t think any of us predicted it would be this much.”

The controversial gun-printing group is hosting those files, which include everything from the gun’s trigger to its body to its barrel, on a service that has attracted some controversy of its own: Kim Dotcom’s Mega storage site. Although the blueprint is only publicly visible on Defense Distributed’s own website Defcad.org, users who click on it are prompted to download the collection of CAD files from Mega.co.nz, which advertises that it encrypts all users’ information and has a reputation for resisting government surveillance.

Cody Wilson, Defense Distributed’s 25-year-old founder, says that the group chose to use Mega mostly because it was fast and free. But he also says he feels a degree of common cause with Kim Dotcom, the ex-hacker chief executive of Mega who has become a vocal critic of the U.S. government after being indicted for copyright infringement and racketeering in early 2012. “We’re sympathetic to Kim Dotcom,” says Wilson. “There are plenty of services we could have used, but we chose this one. He’s down for the struggle.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/08/3d-printed-guns-blueprints-downloaded-100000-times-in-two-days-with-some-help-from-kim-dotcom/

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3D-Printed Gun's Blueprints Downloaded 100,000 Times In Two Days (With Some Help From Kim Dotcom) (Original Post) bemildred May 2013 OP
99,995 of them looked around their desktop, disappointed, for the gun. Robb May 2013 #1
Plastic guns? GaYellowDawg May 2013 #2
I'm sure he has lots of CYA disclaimers on his plans. tridim May 2013 #5
It is going to be an interesting experiment. bemildred May 2013 #9
Genius. Print a piece of shit gun on a $1500 printer. Buzz Clik May 2013 #3
The first PCs were as big as a house and cost millions of dollars davidn3600 May 2013 #4
Can't wait. That will be one more scan at the airport. Buzz Clik May 2013 #6
I think by that point Union Scribe May 2013 #8
Load us into the cargo bay with pitchforks. Buzz Clik May 2013 #10
Optional padded pitchfork service available Union Scribe May 2013 #11
How about they first print out a dildo and go fuck themselves? Blue Owl May 2013 #7
You doubt it hasn't happened already? Buzz Clik May 2013 #12
I'd personally have liked this article better if it were about 3D printed dildos. Initech May 2013 #18
Here you go: MineralMan May 2013 #22
So the self-described anarchist and radicallLibertarian went with a thief and a liar. Ikonoklast May 2013 #13
Its going to be fun watching the NRA crap their pants about people not needing gun manufacturers Fresh_Start May 2013 #14
I expect a lot of unexpected consequences. bemildred May 2013 #15
I guess the "Any gun, anywhere, for anyone" crowd decided that metal detector check points... Junkdrawer May 2013 #16
there is still some metal in the gun, as well as the bullets. Travis_0004 May 2013 #25
Its on The Pirate Bay too. Go Vols May 2013 #17
being that the NRA veganlush May 2013 #19
Printing the high capacity magazines is much more realistic madville May 2013 #20
printable guns will be the new prono for lots of kids dembotoz May 2013 #21
I don't see expensive, flimsy plastic passing cheap, durable metal parts and guns anytime soon NightWatcher May 2013 #23
This is going to be really interesting in five to ten years. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #24
State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D-Printable Gun Files For Possible Export Control Violations HolyMoley May 2013 #26
Sounds like the State Department has never heard of the Streisand Effect... dairydog91 May 2013 #29
This why we can't have nice things. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #27
LOL. I just self-deleted a massive gunner-infested thread..... Junkdrawer May 2013 #28

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
2. Plastic guns?
Wed May 8, 2013, 05:56 PM
May 2013

There will be a lot of guns exploding in a lot of hands, and these fuckers are going to get bankrupted in the lawsuits. Can't happen a moment too soon.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. I'm sure he has lots of CYA disclaimers on his plans.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:04 PM
May 2013

He'll take no responsibility for anything that happens within his Pandora's box. He's just an asshole.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. It is going to be an interesting experiment.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:21 PM
May 2013

I don't think anybody even knows what this will lead to, this is going to be hacked you know, it won't stop here. But some unfortunate accidents, that you can count on.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
4. The first PCs were as big as a house and cost millions of dollars
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

Now computers are many times more powerful, and fit in our pockets.

Technology will improve on this...no question about it.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
8. I think by that point
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

the airlines will have all passengers be gassed unconscious for the duration of the flight. That way there's no security problem, no need for flight attendants, and they can just pile us up to maximize space.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
12. You doubt it hasn't happened already?
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:23 PM
May 2013

That's like suggesting Sean Hannity go whack off or Michelle Malkin tear off somebody's balls. Their response? "Never before lunch?"

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
13. So the self-described anarchist and radicallLibertarian went with a thief and a liar.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:25 PM
May 2013

Looks like a good match, fuck 'em both.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
14. Its going to be fun watching the NRA crap their pants about people not needing gun manufacturers
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:35 PM
May 2013

how much do you want to bet they they will be anti-3d printer guns?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
16. I guess the "Any gun, anywhere, for anyone" crowd decided that metal detector check points...
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

had to go.

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
19. being that the NRA
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013

is just a lobbying group for gun manufacturers, it's going to be interesting to see how they are told to act, by their masters, in the face of this very real challenge to their true god, the profit.

madville

(7,412 posts)
20. Printing the high capacity magazines is much more realistic
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:28 PM
May 2013

Makes it pretty much useless to ban high capacity AK or AR rifle magazines since they can be printed out. The only thing that would have to be made of metal is the spring and that's not difficult.

dembotoz

(16,832 posts)
21. printable guns will be the new prono for lots of kids
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

because it is forbidden

gather you buddies around on a date night when you don't have a date....
and show them your various printable gun versions

be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cool

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. I don't see expensive, flimsy plastic passing cheap, durable metal parts and guns anytime soon
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:50 PM
May 2013

I knew a guy who dealt in crates of rifles, and his supplier dealt with shipping containers of durable imported rifles that are all completely legal. I just don't see the need (outside of spy movies) for untraceable plastic one hitters.

 

HolyMoley

(240 posts)
26. State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D-Printable Gun Files For Possible Export Control Violations
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

Some good this is going to do other than to give DefCad more publicity and motivation to create more designs.

And as mentioned above, the files are currently on PirateBay; in fact, I'm seeding them as I post this.



[quote]The battle for control of dangerous digital shapes may have just begun.

On Thursday, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org. The government says it wants to review the files for compliance with arms export control laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.

“Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with final [commodity jurisdiction] determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled,” reads the letter, referring to a list of ten CAD files hosted on Defcad that include the 3D-printable gun, silencers, sights and other pieces. “This means that all data should be removed from public acces immediately. Defense Distributed should review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any other data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.”[/quote]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation

Copy of letter...

[quote]United States Department of State
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
Offense of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
May 08, 2013
In reply letter to DTCC Case: 13-0001444
[Cody Wilson's address redacted]
Dear Mr. Wilson,
The Department of State, Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance, Enforcement Division (DTCC/END) is responsible for compliance with and civil enforcement of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778) (AECA) and the AECA’s implementing regulations, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 C.F.R. Parts 120-130) (ITAR). The AECA and the ITAR impose certain requirements and restrictions on the transfer of, and access to, controlled defense articles and related technical data designated by the United States Munitions List (USML) (22 C.F.R. Part 121).
The DTCC/END is conducting a review of technical data made publicly available by Defense Distributed through its 3D printing website, DEFCAD.org, the majority of which appear to be related to items in Category I of the USML. Defense Distributed may have released ITAR-controlled technical data without the required prior authorization from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), a violation of the ITAR.
Technical data regulated under the ITAR refers to information required for the design, development, production, manufacture, assembly, operation, repair, testing, maintenance or modification of defense articles, including information in the form of blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. For a complete definition of technical data, see 120.10 of the ITAR. Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR.
The Department believes Defense Distributed may not have established the proper jurisdiction of the subject technical data. To resolve this matter officially, we request that Defense Distributed submit Commodity Jurisdiction (CJ) determination requests for the following selection of data files available on DEFCAD.org, and any other technical data for which Defense Distributed is unable to determine proper jurisdiction:
1.Defense Distributed Liberator pistol
2..22 electric
3.125mm BK-14M high-explosive anti-tank warhead
4.5.56/.223 muzzle brake
5.Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly
6.Sound Moderator – slip on
7.“The Dirty Diane” 1/2-28 to 3/4-16 STP S3600 oil filter silencer adapter
8.12 gauge to .22 CB sub-caliber insert
9.Voltlock electronic black powder system
10.VZ-58 sight
DTCC/END requests that Defense Distributed submits its CJ requests within three weeks of the receipt of this letter and notify this office of the final CJ determinations. All CJ requests must be submitted electronically through an online application using the DS-4076 Commodity Jurisdiction Request Form. The form, guidance for submitting CJ requests, and other relevant information such as a copy of the ITAR can be found on DDTC’s website at U.S. State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls [pmddtc.state.gov]
Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with the final CJ determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled. This means that all such data shoudl be removed form public access immediately. Defense Distributed should also review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any additional data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.
Additionally, DTCC/END requests information about the procedures Defense Distributed follows to determine the classification of its technical data, to include aforementioned technical data files. We ask that you provide your procedures for determining proper jurisdiction of technical data within 30 days of the date of this letter to Ms. Bridget Van Buren, Compliance Specialist, Enforcement Division, at the address below.
Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
PM/DTCC, SA-1, Room L132
2401 E Street, NW
Washington, DC 20522
Phone 202-663-3323
We appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please note our reference number in any future correspondence.
Sincerely,
Glenn E. Smith
Chief, Enforcement Division[/quote]

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
28. LOL. I just self-deleted a massive gunner-infested thread.....
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:36 PM
May 2013

Your post sums up the point I was TRYING to make.

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