Mitt urges white college grads to get married ASAP and have a "quiver full of kids"

[apples and oranges]

Interesting interpretation of Rmoney's latest comments:

Mitt Romney recently gave a commencement address at Southern Virginia University, a predominately Mormon school in Virginia, not far from where I grew up. In his speech, he encouraged students to get married young and have a lot of kids–a “quiver full” to be exact.

But what is “quiver full”?

“Quiver full” is a movement within conservative, fundamentalist Christianity and Mormonism. It also extends to Catholics, as I can attest to from personal experiences. In a nutshell, the idea is to have as many children as possible in order for them to be “arrows in a quiver” for the “army of God,” often without regard for the health of the mother. It is a very patriarchal ideology in which sons are viewed as future “soldiers for Christ” and daughters are future bearers of more white, Christian babies to continue the cycle.

While religious and racial motivations for the “quiver full” movement aren’t usually publicly acknowledged by its adherents, behind closed doors they’re more likely to admit they believe that white Christians are being outgrown by other races and/or religions.

Read more: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fundamentalist-christians/

[KansDem]

1. Mitt is Full of Shitt

Enough said...

[MineralMan]

2. Mitt Makes ME Quiver!

[marions ghost]

3. Cute, that racist code

[kelliekat44]

4. But they don't to be encumbered with children...they are after wealth and they can't get it

with a "quiver full" of kids. Remember Mitt, you and those like you have ruined the promise of a secure job, reasonable home mortgages, decent schools, respect for learning, tolerance of lifestyle choices, affordable education and healthcare, and a secure social safety net for elderly parents.....sooo, a quiver full of kids is out of the question.

[hedgehog]

5. The quiver full movement assumes that all the children

will remain conservative, fundamentalist Christians. Given that at one time the vast majority of Europeans were Christian, where did all the non-Christian white people come from?

[JHB]

7. maybe...SATAN!

[LuvNewcastle]

9. I'm living proof that children of fundies can

turn out just the opposite of what their parents expect.

[liberal N proud]

6. What the hell does that mean?

Mirriam-Webster:
1 quiv·er noun

a case for carrying or holding arrows


the arrows in a quiver

Middle English, from Anglo-French quivre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English cocer quiver, Old High German kohhari
First Known Use: 14th century

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quiver

2 quiver intransitive verb
to shake or move with a slight trembling motion


How many or what is a quiver of kids

[freshwest]

12. It's from the Bible. Your children are arrows shot from God, weapons to protect you.

Large families can be very prosperous if they all work and bring in income and live in large houses or nearby. That's a fact that many have not been exposed to, but I've seen it.

Their emotional and financial needs are met by each other and they really don't give a damn about the rest of society, or the law most of us think of as giving an equal playing field. They spread out into the world to gain more wealth and don't need the protection of anyone else. Ideally speaking, that is.

I know people whose annual holiday dinners are set for a hundred people. All of the same heritage, an economic force. Most of us don't have that, it's a tradition in some religions.

Anyway.

[FreeState]

18. “Quiver full” is NOT an LDS movement

yes they have lots of children but what the article is stating = the “Quiver full” movement - is not part of LDS church or religion.

[freshwest]

23. Where did I mention the LDS in answer to the question on Quiver?

I wasn't even thinking of them, and this is part of several faiths.

What is your point in bringing them up?

Mitt didn't just run to be the president of the Mormons. He got votes from people of other religions, not just LDS.

EDIT: Reviewing the thread since I replied to your question to me, you appear to be over reacting. I have Mormon friends and have never participated in bashing them.

So what is your problem with me?

[MadrasT]

8. Beyond creepy.

I can't imagine him in the White House. It's beyond me how that nutjob even get nominated.

[Mponti]

10. Binders of women having quiver full of children, oh my!

[JustAnotherGen]

27. AFTER

They get the money and power though!

[JDPriestly]

31. Yes. Women and children measured by quantity, not quality.

[LittleBlue]

11. The quiverfulls will become a threat

They will undoubtedly become a major political threat in time due to their fecundity. All of the Duggar daughters seem obsessed with the idea of getting married and popping out as many children as possible.

Though they don't seem like bad people on the show, I wonder if they will attempt to impose their beliefs on others through the government. Time will tell.

[Ikonoklast]

14. It is a tiny segment of the overall population in this country, diminishingly small.

Demographic trends of this nation doom their movement to laughable failure.

[Downtown Hound]

13. Have a quiver full of kids with binders full of women!

It had to be said.

Damn. On edit, somebody beat me to it!

[Hekate]

15. There was a time when the name of Romney meant something honorable in politics

I think we can definitively say that time is over. I wonder what Mitt's parents would think about the road he has decided to travel down.

Regarding Mitt's father George, I know my husband once considered him a viable presidential candidate, despite his being a Republican. (Mr Hekate is not as ideologically-driven as I am.) And he was. Mitt, not so much. His mother ran for office, something she never could have imagined doing if she had a baby every year of her marriage.

Sad.

[MrScorpio]

16. "Get married and make more of yourselves!"

"I'm just talking to YOU, White People!"

[FreeState]

17. Bad title and misinformed anti-mormon article

Several errors right up front.

Is Carl Juniors a Catholic restaurant because its owner is a member of the Catholic church? The university is not a Mormon university, it is a private school owned and operated by a member of the Church with no help or affiliation of the church.

I was raised Mormon, my whole life I have never heard of “Quiver full.” My family is very active in the church and always has been. This is not a Mormon belief or movement. Do Mormons believe in having lots of kids, yes, but because of what is described above as a “Quiver full” movement.

Imagine, white kids at a private university in the south! The horrors. I'm sure that was Mitts fault as well, he should have informed them he wouldn't speak there unless they enrolled more minorities (that want to attend a private school that runs itself with a emphasis on Mormon beliefs no less). /sarcasm.

[SunSeeker]

28. The author didn't say it was a Church-affiliated University, but a "predominately Mormon school..."

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As in, the school population is predominantly Mormon, and you yourself noted that the school "runs itself with a emphasis on Mormon beliefs."

Nor did the author say the "Quiver Full" was Mormon doctrine, but rather a "movement within conservative, fundamentalist Christianity and Mormonism." It is quite possible that you were not exposed to this movement as a Mormom, just as many Christians never heard of it.

I am struck by your following sentence:

Do Mormons believe in having lots of kids, yes, but because of what is described above as a “Quiver full” movement.

I assume the word "not" is missing in front of "because." But could you tell me why Mormons believe in having "lots" of kids?

[truebluegreen]

36. Actually, after living among them for decades,

the "quiver full" idea--i.e. an army for God, outbreeding the competition--is EXACTLY what they aim for. Not coincidentally, their various Prophets have opposed birth control, and choice for women and teh gays for as long as I can remember. And of course there are still pockets where polygamy is practiced....

Women are brood mares and they are out to be fruitful and out-multiply.

Sorry but it is that simple, notwithstanding my few Mormon friends.

[apples and oranges]

37. Do you really think Mitt would have given the same speech

to a group of predominantly African American graduates?

[SunSeeker]

38. LOL. No, I imagine it would have been more like this...

[Newest Reality]

19. My Condolences to the

students at Southern Virginia University for having to be exposed to Mitt.

[olddots]

20. dueling banjos

and drooling turd maggots.

[HughBeaumont]

21. How did Will Pitt put it?

"That brush of wind you just felt was the giant bullet America dodged by not having this bag of ass elected President."



. . . . and 47% of America is pro-Bag of Ass.

[Initech]

22. Mitt Romney really does live in another century.

[freshwest]

25. Along with most teabaggers of all faiths and Randians as well...

[loyalsister]

40. Not too far back

Negative eugenics was discredited, but "positive eugenics" (white (usually wealthy or religious) people "breeding" because of a belief in their supremacy) has never died.

[Wait Wut]

24. I have one child, a son...

...and I'll put that one 'Howitzer' up against your asinine 'quiver' any day, you creepy bastard.

[get the red out]

26. At least he's coming out of the closet

As a fucking racist dickhead.

[hamsterjill]

29. Quiverfull = The Duggars

Enough said.

[FiveGoodMen]

30. Offspring as a weapon of conquest.

Can't really say what I think of that...

...without it being hidden.

[truebluegreen]

32. ...

[Floyd_Gondolli]

33. I remember someone else in history who espoused this

Breed breed breed mentality. It didn't work out so well for him.

[Rex]

34. A quiver? So they are to be weapons Mittens?

The kind that Jesus talked about at length...you know...that children are the weapons of God?

You are one of the stupidest men to walk the earth. Embarrassing.

[Hissyspit]

35. Mitt Romney is a racist. What a surprise.

Not.

[XemaSab]

39. Psalm 127

Unless the Lord Builds the House

A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.

127 Unless the Lord builds the house,
those who build it labor in vain.
Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the watchman stays awake in vain.
2 It is in vain that you rise up early
and go late to rest,
eating the bread of anxious toil;
for he gives to his beloved sleep.

3 Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord,
the fruit of the womb a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the children[a] of one's youth.
5 Blessed is the man
who fills his quiver with them!
He shall not be put to shame
when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.

[GeorgeGist]

41. Is there a point ...

To this?

[XemaSab]

42. Yes there's a fucking point

Half the people commenting in the thread have no fucking clue where the "quiver full" term comes from.

It comes from Psalm 127.

Context, how does it work?