Chris Hayes is tearing the gun manufacturers weapon for children

[malaise]

a new one.
The Sickness - indeed. Fuck the gun culture.
One of her grandmothers said she's in a better place. Great excuse grandma. She's fucking dead and all she had was life.

[baldguy]

1. Gun owners are under the false impression that gun violence isn't their problem.

[malaise]

2. Then why is a two year old dead

from sheer negligence

[baldguy]

4. Because the parents though it would never happen to them.

After all, they're responsible gun owners - showing their kids the right way to handle guns & all.

That's why it's a false impression.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. Because the pitbull owners thought it would never happen to them.

After all, they're responsible dog owners - showing their kids the right way to handle a vicious animal & all.

That's why it's a false impression.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. So you're OK with 30 lost lives then.

They mean nothing so long as you get to keep your precious.

But you are right about the false equivalency part -- a pit bull, unlike a gun, can move all by itself. A gun in a locked drawer cannot remove itself, while pit bulls can dig out from under fences. A gun on a table cannot fire on its own, while a pit bull can move to its victim. You cannot startle a gun into attacking.

But let's look at the numbers. I found a link that says the AKC showed 220,000 registered in 1999. That means 30 fatalies a year would be 1 fatality per roughtly 7,300 of the genetically bred killing machines. Meanwhile there are over 300,000,000 guns in the US. Thirty thousand deaths means there is roughly 1 fatality per 10,000. Moreover, as I know you are aware, most gun deaths are suicdes. I understand that anti-RKBA advocates are content to take the gun and leave the illness that leads to suicide but it needs to be pointed out that no one ever committed suicide with a pit bull, meaning every pit bull attack is the categorical equivalent of a negligient or malicous gun incident. So, it seems the reason there are fewer pit bull offenses is because there are simply fewer pit bulls, period.

Perhaps what we need is reasonable pit bull regulations. We need to make sure that those who own these self-motivated killing machines aren't criminals or reckless. The animals should be registered and tightly controlled. Private sales loopholes need to be closed.

After all, it's not like there's a constitutional right to own one or anything.

[LuvLoogie]

22. So a person in the US

is 1000 times more likely to die by gun violence than by a pit bull attack. I'll buy that.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. Such callous disregard for those who die by dog mauling.

[LuvLoogie]

24. No. But your statistical analysis

doesn't really inspire any empathy. Nor does it clarify a point.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. It's pretty bold to admit you have no empathy for those mauled by pit bulls.

Shocking and callous, but bold.

[LuvLoogie]

31. I didn't say that I had no empathy for dog mauling victims...

I said that your approach does not inspire any empathy for them.

[loli phabay]

9. these parents were not responsible though, no stretch could ever make it so

[Hoyt]

10. A lot of parents are just like them, and they are a bad role model for kids with respect to guns.

[loli phabay]

14. lots of parents do stuff that i think is irresponsible, and they would think the same of me

Whereas i am comfortable with my kids around guns, horses, cliffs, water etc i am not when they are around traffic as its not something they deal with, now an urban parent might feel the exact opposite than me. Thats the thing every chils and every parent is different and we all have different fears about our kids.

[Hoyt]

19. While I respect your feelings about your kids, other folks' kids are at risk too.

Fact is, gun owners are not as responsible as we are led to believe by those who worship guns and/or profit from them.

[loli phabay]

20. kind of a blanket statement there, there are irresponsible people in every facet of life

Sure there are irresponsible gun owners same as car owners, doctors, teachers, sportsmen. To make a statement that every gun owner is irresponsible you need to back it up with facts or its just nonsense.

[Hoyt]

21. You read about it every day. Then, throw in some Lanzas, Zimmermans, Loughner, etc.,

and I see little reason to coddle gun addicts/abusers.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. Collective guilt is a pungently idiotic fallacy.

[baldguy]

13. You don't think gun owners have a responsability to be sure guns are used safely?

With every other group of enthusiasts I can think of, the enthusiasts are in the front pushing for safety. Not so with guns.

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Sure. Every gun owner has a responsibility for THEIR guns.

For someone else's? Nope.

As far as "pushing for safety," I've never seen or heard of anyone other than gun owners developing gun safety instruction programs, conducting gun safety training, and so forth. You're simply flat out wrong on that point.

[LanternWaste]

32. Which is why we only refer to specific Republicans as idiots rather than Republicans in general as i

Which is why we only refer to specific Republicans as idiots rather than Republicans in general as idiots, yes?

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. I can't answer for anyone but myself...

...but I at least try to assess any given Republican on his or her own merits. But it's not always easy...

[Laurian]

3. The "in a better place" line used when someone dies has

always jolted me. I understand that it may help some people deal with loss, but that line just always sounds almost offensive to me. I guess that means my lack of religious conviction is showing so I grit my teeth and go on.

[Heather MC]

6. I guess grandma believes she is better off being Maggot food

Than growing up around the fuckwads who set the stage for her untimely death.

No wait I mean, she's in Heaven now

[malaise]

17. It pisses me off

Same here and while it's true I'm an atheist, they never say that when a woman has an abortion or when children are slaughtered in a variety of other ways.

[avebury]

5. The little girl is in a better place, because

living with her family was certainly not a good place for her. Her parents did not love enough to make sure that she lived in a safe home. Parents like this have no right to have children. Their 5 year old son will live the rest of his life knowing that he murdered his little sister. Great job parents, you have managed to ruin both of your childrens' lives.

[malaise]

16. They sure did n/t

[winter is coming]

12. That was an excellent segment, as was the "Crazy Vagina Politics" segment that followed. n/t

[aikoaiko]

25. Imagine a grandmother not politicizing her grief

That just so wrong when she could use it to bash gun culture.

[laundry_queen]

27. What an ugly post.

There are just no words. I'm sorry that's how your mind works.

[aikoaiko]

28. I'm not the one criticizing a grandmother who is grieving.

I guess it's not ok to criticize the criticism.

[laundry_queen]

29. whooosh.

Not my point.

[aikoaiko]

30. Of course it isn't

[HangOnKids]

34. The Gun Lovers Have Feelings Too! Please Be Kind!