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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDU is being Filtered By My ISP
Other sites, like NYT, Fox news and Daily Mail all load up as usual.
But click on DU and simple pages never finish loading.
Folks, this is the beginning of the end for the free internet. My ISP denies they are blocking some internet traffic but I have proof they are placing filters on the web. They even have an option on their account pages where a customer can filter the web by their customer's choice.
Of course, if you are an establishment supporter and never rock the boat, you are no target. They just looooove sheeple. Only the hell raisers and hard questioners of the PTB get attention.
Each time this has happened to me (3 times now) it has only been after some serious anti-establishment questions have been posted.
For all you who want to keep posting the drivel that amounts to nothing more than chit-chat, you are safe.
Looking over DU these last few days shows that, and that many hard nosed questioners are almost extinct. Please, alert on this and send it to admins, they need to know that DU is being buried by the PTB.
And for those of you who are considering to make a reply about how it isn't effecting you, just f'n put me on ignore and be done with yourselves.
I've been on the web for 14 years now and it has never been this bad. They are sticking it to us. The only sites that load are the Big sites and that is just how they want it to be from here on.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)I mostly deal with VoIP but I can "fix" some other things for you
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts).
Rex
(65,616 posts)You think it's agent Mike?
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Only the "real, hard line" questioners have slow Internet connections.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)Rules Committee Print 213-8, showing the text of H.R. 2549 as ordered reported by the Super Secret Committee on Stifling Real, Hardline Questioners on various web forums. Added 04/22/2013 at 10:11 AM
Note to self: Invest in Alcoa Stock.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)Quite an elite club...
xmas74
(29,674 posts)I just wanted to make my presence known in what has the makings of an epic thread.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)questioning the "real, hard line" questioners?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Bring his wrath.
How does CreekDog do that LFR?
By looking up facts.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)They're not coming to get you because of what you ask on DU. I correspond with lots of radicals and political noisemakers and haven't had issue.
Why post your OP if you want others who don't share your position to ignore you? This is a Discussion Board.
Discuss.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)provider are you using? Have you tried a different browser?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Weird.
octothorpe
(962 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)helicopters that accompany this effort to filter out DU.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But I would never do that.
"And for those of you who are considering to make a reply about how it isn't effecting you, just f'n put me on ignore and be done with yourselves."
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Step 1) On a day you can't load DU at home, take your computer (assuming it's a laptop) to another location - library, friend's house, Starbucks, whatever -- and see if you have trouble getting on.
If DU loads, you may have a problem with your ISP or connection.
Step 2) Try getting onto DU at home using someone else's computer from your home location. Borrow a test computer. If you still can't get onto DU, but other sites load okay, then you might want to call your ISP or cable provider and ask about this.
Good luck!
FSogol
(45,484 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #40)
Post removed
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)What you describe at #77 seems to be a separate issue from counting the number of hops analysis explained by Jeff at #64.
For those two responses, this has indeed been a highly valuable thread.
Thnx.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)a notification that you requested an invalid URL. Then, if you search on the links presented by the ISP you can then find DU. It well might be they do this for frequently visited sites??? and has nothing to do with DU specifically. This is a practice becoming prevalent for ISP revenue - ads/clicks. I first learned of it after doing a lot of searching on the net. Here, I run several secure systems and when I saw this is was a WTF search.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The closest I've seen is an APACHE advisory that comes up when a link to what appears might have been a mirror site is severed. Interesting. Thanks.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)some sw had been developed that allows, as they said, unscrupulous ISPs to easily redirect DNS traffic to advertising for click-revenue, as well as giving an invalid URL for sites they wish. Here, I think, giving the ISP credit, it might have been just for advertising revenue ... although, this is a red/red area so it's easy to get a little paranoid. They could easily direct unsuspecting customers for revenue ... thinking this was just now it worked. Yeah, it's been a really interesting thread. Since I switched DNS servers via my routers I had not thought much about it 'till I saw this OP ...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I don't know what to think about the OP's problem (technical difficulty or something else, both maybe), but there really is a nasty pack instinct at work that's plainly evident in this thread. I'm a bit embarrassed for DU by this one.
Meanwhile, I learned some things about how the inner tubes work. Thanks again!
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)operatives ... swift-boating comes to mind!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You think I have not jumped all those hoops already?
I can download all the big sites with no problem, but when it comes to DU and a few others, it gets locked up.
My ISP is ignoring me because they don't want to admit they are filtering. THEY OFFER FILTERING OPTIONS RIGHT ON THEIR HOMEPAGE. They have the tech, but then when I point out that a 300 kb page loads in 2 secs, but my email, DU and other sites never finish loading, they act like there is nothing they can do.
But twice now, when the problem went away, their polite letters to me said that they finally, FINALLY, checked the network.
The poor slaves at the bottom of the pile at the ISP are not to blame.
Question: Do you not believe that an ISP can filter the internet?
Sorry, that was a dumb question, because of course you know they can.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)As opposed to literally millions of other left leaning sites.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If so, what happened when you tried to log-on to DU from somewhere other than your home location served by your ISP?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Is one of those options to make some pages load slow?
Or, are they parental control options that let you ban certain sites altogether?
Seems to me that if the folks at your IP thought it was really important to keep you from posting here, they'd make it impossible...not just inconvenient.
REP
(21,691 posts)He doesn't understand the difference between user filtering, throttling and being a dumbfuck.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)open a command prompt, and use traceroute on unix, or tracert on windows. For example:
This will list all the steps between you and Democratic Underground.
Mine looks like this (I've redacted the names that reveal where I live)
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 33 ms 12 ms 35 ms 10.101.0.1
3 53 ms 63 ms 63 ms (redacted)
4 11 ms 10 ms 13 ms (redacted)
5 34 ms 39 ms 31 ms (redacted)
6 72 ms 62 ms * ae-3-0.cr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.72)
7 29 ms 26 ms 27 ms 66.109.6.189
8 69 ms 81 ms 77 ms ge9-4.br03.chc01.pccwbtn.net (209.8.108.37)
9 74 ms 93 ms 75 ms dcanet.ge2-4.br01.phl02.pccwbtn.net (63.218.31.10)
10 83 ms 89 ms 91 ms core-4-gig-vlan-500.hq.dca.net (216.158.2.2)
11 211 ms 65 ms 64 ms core-2.hq.dca.net (216.158.48.2)
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
Eventually, it will stop listing new steps - DU's ISP filters out traceroute traffic, which is extremely common - it reduces DU's bandwidth and thus cost. The "* * *" lines at the end are where that happens. Hit Control-C to stop the program.
If there's only about 4 hops, then your ISP may be blocking DU's IP - though it may be something as innocent as equipment failure. If there's 10-ish, then your ISP isn't blocking DU.
There's other ways your ISP could filter, but those are more obvious and easier to get around.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Thanks for the tutorial!
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
52. My opinion
Since our society is making progress and slowly dropping the wall of privilege, or glass ceiling, the society as a whole will improve. Be better.
But it is what it is and we can thank the wm, as a whole, for producing the easy life we now enjoy. The US and Europe have it very, very good historically, and imo, it has to do with the affirmative action the wm embraced and made good with.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139421
23. Yeah, and it is time to do this
Last edited Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that the privileged white male has been very, very good for this society. That thru that privilege our human society have great things upon which our easy lives' rest. Our unions and our work ethic have resulted in all of us living like only the few kings and queens did 100 years ago.
I am a wm and I'm proud and privileged.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139120
If birds congregate, problems can arise...
4. Klamath river?
There's water in them there rivers.
Birds can fly and find water. Sure, if they congregate problems can arise. But birds are smart enough to flap their wings and find the habitat they need. Of course they can't tell if the radiation is there or anywhere. Neither can humans. But we have Geiger counters.
And the counters have found radiation all up and down the coast. And radiation levels are always highest where water has settled. Like it does in marshes. Don't close your mind off to the possibilities is all I am saying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=593805
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Those are brilliant! It's like reading Daffy Duck's political manifesto.
Ok... this poster may be my New Favorite Person in the World to Read After One Too Many Drinks.
liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)bunch of racist, reactionary nonsense. I think he's got the wrong calendar, and his is on 1913, not 2013.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Good stuff, good stuff.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)Go on, rebel - actually complain about them in the open.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Got it.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)WTF is that drivel supposed to mean? I've read it three times now and I still just can't figure it out. Methinks the aluminum in his tin foil hat must be seeping into his brain.
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)P.T. Barnum?
(Sorry----"They" "made" me post that.)
Hekate
(90,674 posts)... to discover that it might mean Pass the Buck or Please Text Back. Or, possibly, Powers That Be.
But P.T. Barnum would do as well.
NealK
(1,867 posts)"There's a sucker born every minute." - P.T. Barnum
(They made me post this as well!)
octothorpe
(962 posts)I work for the CIA team assigned to your ISP. I was trying to block your neighbor who was onto our false flag operation in Boston, but I accidentally got the IPs mixed up. I put you on a list so that it doesn't happen again.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)WTG, Obama!!!!!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)back some childhood memories! This should definitely be the OP's theme song. Poor thing, maybe he DOES need to go to the funny farm. Or at least get his tin foil hats readjusted, I think they may be on just a bit too tight.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Did this happen before or after the Boston PD helicopter shot through your door to find and destroy your civil rights, your privacy, your milk, and your well-written and quite righteous manifesto?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)If you are getting ads in your DU pages, they can have scripts that stop the page from loading until the ad server does its BS
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)Pay for the privilege and the ads just go poof.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)but now that I've been called back from a lay-off I plan on sending a few bucks along with my first paycheck!
Hooray!
Warpy
(111,255 posts)those of us with a few bucks to spare to buy stars for folks who didn't.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Hmmmmm.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)That's what I did. Supports this site and it loads way faster during heavy traffic times. This site was nearly impossible for me to load during the weeks before the election, so I upgraded to a star membership.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)That's a big load of insulting crap you posted. Good luck.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why don't even reply if you was just going neener neenerz?! This is series adult stuffzX10! James Bondz stuff!
No neener neenering!
Picture of Secret President giving secret hand gestures of the 24th hierarchy.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Never been there before. I logged into their guest account and everything loaded fine EXCEPT DU. It wasn't that big a deal to me so I didn't bother to investigate. But I wonder if the university itself had DU blocked for some reason.
Other news sites were fine.
But an ISP would not be blocking news sites at all.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Never had a problem exclusively loading DU.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I think people may often assign nefarious motivations and attributes to unnamed agencies and other entities in order to tell ourselves we are actually primary players and stars in a political-thriller movie instead of simply and sedately living our lives-- in or not in quiet desperation.
A slowly loading page or a glitch in a server is so much less dramatic than the imaginary bullseye on our foreheads-- that very forehead being targeted as we type by a shadow helicopter who is accessing, collating, and assessing every word we right... (and every thought we think too, for the paranoiac who must have everything)
FSogol
(45,484 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)synapticwave
(52 posts)It's definitely your ISP. Same thing happened to me. I guarantee they are coming for you. Better get a VPN service now before they shut you down completely. I use https://www.boxpn.com/.
good luck fellow conspirator!
<-- in case it's not obvious
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)I've been too busy gluing rhinestones to my tinfoil hat to notice if this site is loading slowly. I can tell you that the FOX website would not load videos for me yesterday. I figured it's because my computer is a commie.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Great idea. I was thinking of fixing mine up for the Kentucky Derby.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That way when the economy completely collapses you are totally covered......
randome
(34,845 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)They're the sparkeliest.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Or maybe Skinner hit you with the hellban, and DU itself is toying with you!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)The Sparrow flies at noon!
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)for those that post that crap.
Nabbysensei
(19 posts)People can and do convince themselves of almost anything,given the right circumstances.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I blame BUSHCO.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Clearly BFEE related.
Uzair
(241 posts)...cause she couldn't help me with my mind....
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)Old stuff hanging around in a browser's cache can cause all sorts of havoc with certain sites. The procedure varies depending on the browser, but basically you (1) delete the cache; (2) delete any cookies related to the site you are having trouble with; and then (3) close and reopen your browser.
REP
(21,691 posts)Click "okay"
REP
(21,691 posts)Or wait, maybe I know how this shit actually works.
I've been online since you placed the telephone handset into the modem, n00b.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)octothorpe
(962 posts)If serious, perhaps my lame posts were in bad taste. I really don't want to contribute to or mock anyone's serious delusions.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Last edited Wed May 1, 2013, 11:44 AM - Edit history (2)
started getting something like URL invalid, and their DNS server listed DU as an invalid lookup. It really does no good to complain to the ISP here. I switched my DNS to OpenDNS and the problem cleared. I also use VPN. OpenDNS is generally all one needs.
For more information on this see: DNS hijacking (this is very very real) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hijacking
These modifications may be made for malicious purposes such as phishing, or for self-serving purposes by Internet service providers (ISPs) to direct users' web traffic to the ISP's own web servers where advertisements can be served, statistics collected, or other purposes of the ISP; and by DNS service providers to block access to selected domains as a form of censorship.
PS: DU was just one of many. Also, it's a revenue generator for some ISPs (advertising - clicks). Search on the net some and all of this is quite well documented. Here, they went one step further than that. Generally using OpenDNS for DNS instead of ones ISP DNS is all that's needed. One can also set their router to use OpenDNS for DNS for all devices on that respective router. It's easy to get paranoid in red/red land ... but giving this ISP some credit, I think they were doing it for ad-click-revenue. They might be targeting frequented sites by users so they get lots of redirects for revenue.
This was not malware, it was specific to the ISP here and their advertising. We also run rather secure systems.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Generally, if you're using a router, there should be a setting in your router's config pages to set a static DNS server & backup server.
For OpenDNS, the servers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220
For Google, their DNS servers are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
Even when your own ISP isn't doing shenanigans, using OpenDNS or Google for your DNS may give you a small performance boost.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Have you let anyone else know about this important post?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)blogs talking about it ... I had no idea it was going on ... and when it first happen here it was a major WTF. At first, I thought DU was down. ... then I thought it was my system. Then I saw it was across all systems here ... that's when I started researching it some on the net ... initially I thought I was getting a bit too paranoid about it all.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Many of the names on replies here with one line responses focused on me, and not the message, are some who have reacted the same when I posted about Fukushima, e-Vote theft, and anti-Bush.
Guess what, they were wrong about Fukushima, e-Vote theft and wrong about protecting Bush, whose administration was the most criminal ever.
So, readers keep that in mind.
I have a statistics box that shows the kbs. Here's the thing, my average speed in usually about 300kbs. The Big sites still load that fast. Images on and all. Du is averaging 10 kbs, with many seconds dead gaps.
For years now the data providers have been wanting to divide the internet. The top would be the Big sites; the bankers favorites. And those getting throttled would be the smaller sites like DU. That is history. It's a fact.
And my ISP, a Very big company, has a filtering system offered to customers so that they pick and choose which sites can be accessed. Those are facts and I think for some reason they are practicing on me.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)then they must also think President* Bush was awesome?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Yes, all the DUers "protecting Bush".
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)e-voting theft? Which of the Many One Line Response posters do you mean? What?
Finally, what company do you work for? Does it happen when you try to access DU from "not at work"?
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Yes, ISPs are *capable* of filtering traffic, but what makes you so special that they would "practice" on you?
And why not block DU altogether? Why am I still seeing your posts if you're the victim of some terrible conspiracy?
My guess is you've just got something wrong with your computer or network, and you'd rather be really really dramatic rather than find the actual issue.
You, in the big scheme, are not that important to "them."
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's possible that that happened years ago.
I'm adding this text to prevent this from being a one line response. I wouldn't want you to think I'm working for your ISP.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)NealK
(1,867 posts)Then I realized that the ad blocker had stopped working for some reason.
Stinky The Clown
(67,798 posts)I am constantly blowing datadust off the table it sits on. I put it into my briefcase once and when I went through the TSA checkpoint at the airport, they got all upset and tested the dust. I was made to go thru the peep show machine three times.
Seriously though. The USB ports are a sort Internet Black Hole. If this leak keeps up, it may tilt the whole Internet toward my laptop, following this obvious low pressure point.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You must realize though, that the USB ports that became sort of a black hole could never have reached that status, were it not for the efforts of a wm asshole...
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)to read it while stoned.
Marr
(20,317 posts)That will effect some users and not others. They can be next door to each other and experience different connection problems.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Plug back in, reboot.
Works for me.
Also, stop trying to access DU from your workstation.
--> want some?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I do my own DNS, reverse, the works. I find issues that are unexplained by the sources and have to circumvent those nodes to get the best throughput. There are tracking sites that make life hell for a few but not all, and I have to find ways around them like, edge.quantserve and pixel.quantserve. These guys don't allow you to download sites for 1 or 2 minutes unless you give them the tracking info they want... and they do a great job of getting away with it and making Internet traffic hell. Try turning off your java script and reloading the page. That will get you around the tracking hangs. Turn java back on when you need it. See what happens. Sometimes the magic works.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)we traced it to the ISP having redirected searches for advertising and also for redirecting a number of democratic sites as invalid (and others). Some ISPs do this as a revenue generator ... for clicks. So, they redirect the DNS for lookups ... here, they went one step further and started listing a number of sites as invalid including DU. In my post #77 is what we did. Thanks for your sanity. So many of the replies to the OP are silly.
trumad
(41,692 posts)You're one of the oddest members that have ever hit this forum.
Now get out of your basement and play in the park today.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)and many experiences.
<Insert Dire Straits video library here>
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Try logging out, and log in with your old account, the one you abandoned in Feb 2012.
See if you have the same problem using your old username.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Let's hope it helps the poster out!
NealK
(1,867 posts)Oh no... you don't mean...