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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOver 130 Prisoners on Hunger Strike, Dozens Being Force Fed
This is huge, the numbers keep growing.
These guys are willing to die rather than endure being locked up forever with no charges, no trial.
The latest:
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/29/a_desperate_situation_at_guantnamo_over
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)a deplorable situation and a gross violation of human rights and what we consider decency.
Thank goodness we Americans aren't committing such atrocities...oh, wait.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)can be read online here:
http://detaineetaskforce.org/read/
and downloaded from here:
http://detaineetaskforce.org/pdf/Full-Report.pdf
From the Report:
For detainee hunger strikers, DOD operating procedures called for practices and
actions by medical professionals that were contrary to established medical and
professional ethical standards, including improper coercive involuntary feedings early
in the course of hunger strikes that, when resisted, were accomplished by physically
forced nasogastric tube feedings of detainees who were completely restrained.
Recommendations
(1) Forced feeding of detainees is a form of abuse and must end.
(2) The United States should adopt standards of care, policies and procedures regarding
detainees engaged in hunger strikes that are in keeping with established medical
professional ethical and care standards set forth as guidelines for the management of
hunger strikers in the 1991 World Medical Association Declaration of Malta on Hunger
Strikes (revised 1992 and 2006), including affirmation that force-feeding is prohibited
and that physicians should be responsible for evaluating, providing care for and advising
detainees engaged in hunger strikes. Physicians should follow professional ethical
standards including: the use of their independent medical judgment in assessing detainee
competence to make decisions; the maintenance of confidentiality between detainee and
physician; the provision of advice to detainees that is consistent with professional ethics
and standards; and, the use of advance directives.
(3) The Task Force recognizes that as a matter of public policy the United States has a
legitimate interest regarding detainees whom it is holding to prevent them from starving to
death. In doing so, it should respect the findings and processes reflected in the above-noted
standards and recommendations.
librechik
(30,674 posts)don't give a shit.
Obama already said close the place down--they said no way in hell. And until we take back the House (which will happen on the 10th of Never, thanks to gerrymandering) there's nothing Democrats can do about it.
Send a postcard or fax to your Republican Congressman. A postcard bearing the picture of someone being forcefed would be appropriate, I think.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't think Obama needs congress to relocate/release individuals who are not charged with any crime. Why are we holding people, indefinitely, without charges. Obama does not need congress to release these men.
librechik
(30,674 posts)Only the House (which writes the checks) can make it happen. And they'll block it if only to make Obama look bad.
Not to me. Obama already ordered them released--DOJ says no reason to hold most of them.
It can't happen without Republicans voting to fund a program. And they won't even debate it. THEY are doing this, no one else.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He does not need congressional approval.
librechik
(30,674 posts)But others are in charge of making it happen. MONEY IS NEEDED AND ONLY THE HOUSE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
And they aren't co-operating.
former9thward
(32,004 posts)Money has nothing to do with releasing people. That is up to the DoJ. The money issue is whether to keep Gitmo open. They could keep the prison open without a single person in it. Obama wanted them transferred to another prison in the U.S. That meant nothing about releasing them. The vast majority have been released. Bush released 500 and Obama has released 113. There are 166 left.
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf/USLS-Fact-Sheet-Gitmo-Numbers.pdf
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)who the Obama Administration has determined to not be terrorists, he could invite other countries to come ashore and take the now-Gitmo prisoners with them.
Gitmo also has a large gate to Cuban soil. If he really wanted to do what you apparently believe that he wants to do, he could open the gate.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Poor, weak Obama.
librechik
(30,674 posts)And that will require million$$$$. He ordered it to close. What's he supposed to do, pay for it out of his own pocket? Would that satisfy you?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)not sure who he's supposed to arrest--the medical staff at Gitmo? Or are you speaking more generally, say Rumsfeld and Cheney. I'm more and more persuaded that those vermin are better dealt with in an international court. Obama (as we can see with our own eyes) obviously doesn't have the power to do that.
It's a mess--but I also blame republicans for the legal mess. They have been tirelessly working over decades to undo our democracy, and we have been blind to it. Now we are virtually unable to stop them through the system. .
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If nothing else, as commander in chief, he can order the torture stopped.
librechik
(30,674 posts)at least as far as he was legally allowed. Again, the rules were changed--by Republicans. But history shows us that force feeding is not counted as torture for obvious reasons. of course IMO, it should be. But if Obama orders the forced feeding to stop, isn't he essentially ordering the deaths of these people?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)He has alternatives. Such as releasing them or bringing them to trial.
librechik
(30,674 posts)He can't executive order someone to trial. He can't order the DOJ to bring them to trial, they have already said no. Should he challenge them on the field of honor? How can Obama make them (the actual people who deal with the legal status of the prisoners) do what they are clearly not going to do? Arrest those people and send them to trial? They are the trial!
He can't order the release without a place to send them. He can't send them to anyplace in the US. (Republicans block that) He has limited powers elsewhere.
There are many things I disagree with Obama over. But I believe they have him boxed up here. And s just declaring he should do this or that doesn't mean it's possible from a procedural standpoint.
rug
(82,333 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)and feels privileged to defy his orders anytime they feel like it. He learned that quickly and now is too cautious with them. Doesn't want to wind up like JFK, go figure.
librechik
(30,674 posts)those criminal RW burrowed-in assholes, because of their criminality, are far more powerful than Obama can dream of.
rug
(82,333 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The president of the United States is not some delicate flower with no power. He doesn't have to "close Guantanamo at great expense to transport a bunch of prisoners here to stand trial. Hell, he could hire a cruise ship on the money saved by skipping a few brunches and golf games.
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librechik
(30,674 posts)good luck getting the Senate to confirm the new "tough" guy or gal which will be giving them oversight. Don't think so.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)how was he supposed to know it was a dead issue from day one and not issue the order to close Gitmo? He obviously thought that was the right thing to do, and never imagined that it would prove impossible with the corrupt Congress. I guess he should have known that in advance, since he's a time traveler.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Guantanamo is America's shame. It brings shame to us all, equally. I heard the lawyer representing 11 of the inmates on Democracy Now! this morning lamenting as long as Obama spends time practicing his WH Correspondent's dinner jokes instead of trying to resolve the Guantanamo issue there will be no progress toward erasing that shame. The lawyer also said that he is convinced that some inmates will die, that the U.S. government has no interest in preventing their deaths. He described the forced feeding using the largest size tube available just to make it hurt more. In our names.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Right after they're awarded medals for their efforts.
KG
(28,751 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)and his promises. He got 4 votes from me and my wife and I feel like I have been taken for a sucker. Every POTUS does something good however small that may be but this guy was going to do some things for us for a "change" and only made it worse than its ever been for us and not the banksters or corporations. How anyone can still call him a honourable core Democrat is just beyond me. What a mockery of the justice system and rule of law from Guantanamo to Wall Street and war criminals run wild.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)And that was the only reason I gave him my vote, thought it might matter.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)cleared for release. What is WRONG with this country??
Take them out of there, provide temporary, humane housing for them while they wait to be returned, if there is some reason for these criminal delays, to their own countries.
This should shock the conscience of anyone calling themselves a human being.
Joseph Ledger
(36 posts)Prisoner: I refuse to eat!
Guard: (shrugs) Suits me.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)He has the power of the bully pulpit to highlight the hunger strikes and get the story in the main stream and put pressure on Congress to act.
Get an ally to transport releasable prisoners out...you don't need money, just a will to get something done.
He's a good man standing by while this travesty happens..he is part of the problem.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I remember another instance of forced feeding which precipitated the 19th Amendment.
Lucy Burns, Anne Henrietta Martin, Alice Paul, Doris Stevens and Elizabeth Selden Rogers all spent time at the Occoquan Work House.
Paul and other suffragettes picketed outside the White House with banners containing slogans such as Mr. President, How Long Must Women Wait For Liberty?. Although the suffragettes protested peacefully, their protests were not always met kindly.
On the night of November 15, 1917, known as the Night of Terror, a group of protesters was beaten by the police. Many women were beaten to the point of unconsciousness, while others received concussions, lacerations, and broken ribs. None of them received medical assistance. Despite the brutality of the intervention, Paul remained undiscouraged.