Stripper Posts Picture Of Night's Tips To Reddit; Internet Asks, 'Where Do We Sign Up?'

[The Straight Story]

Where do we sign up?

On Monday, a Redditor using the name "Menagerii" made office workers around the Internet drool after posting a picture of what she said was the cash she made in one day's stripping. The photo, posted to the r/pics subreddit, was captioned, "From now on when people ask me why I'm a stripper, I'm just going to show them this picture (one day of work- 1130am to 3am)."

Redditors counting at home soon realized the tips totaled over $3,000. MSN claims the number is actually $3,445. Although this is about twice what Menagerii said she normally takes in, $1,500 a night (give or take) isn't anything to sneeze at, either.

The tantalizing stack of bills was earned during a 15-plus hour shift at an all-nude joint in Atlanta, according to Menagerii. Over the course of the day, Menagerii said she had "30 or so table dances and five stage sets." A stripper for four years, she also revealed she has implants ("went from a 32b to a 32d&quot , a six pack and is working to put herself through engineering school.

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"It's a little awkward at first, but I got used to it," she wrote. "I have always been open about my body, so most of my friends and lots of strangers had already seen me naked before I even started dancing. Some girls have to drink a lot before they are comfortable, even girls that have been dancing for years. I was fortunate to be naturally outgoing and open minded."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/stripper-tips-reddit-photo-_n_3140112.html?ir=Business

[XVI_Eyes]

1. honestly

If I was a good looking woman I'd much rather do this than work at walmart or in a factory or something. It's just nudity.

[JI7]

9. no it's not just nudity , a lot of the guys are gross

[appal_jack]

23. Have you been in a Wal Mart lately?

Have you been in a Wal Mart lately?

Plenty of gross guys there too.

But no tips.

-app

[Drale]

51. My girlfriend works at Target and has had creepy guys try and touch her

on more than one occasion and that's Target, I can't imaging whats happening at Walmart.

[octothorpe]

81. Wait what?

How do they try to pull that off?

[d_b]

113. and that's Target, I can't imaging whats happening at Walmart.

[FarCenter]

145. Someone said "imaging at Walmart"?

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/

[d_b]

149. rickytic is my all time fav

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/147/could-have-used-some-glitter/

[alarimer]

125. I think they probably expose their shortcomings at Walmart

The Full Monty, so to speak.

[Doremus]

123. Not only gross guys, but grossness in general. A lot of retail workers have to do stuff like clean

bathrooms after perverts have been in there throwing feces, vomit, used rubbers, sanitary pads and god-knows-what all over the floors, walls and ceilings.

Dancing in your birthday suit is downright tame in comparison.

[redqueen]

86. Are you surprised that people are trying to compare the actions of average creepy guys out in public

with the actions of the average patrons of strip clubs toward strippers?

I wish I was. People just tie themselves into knots trying to polish this particular brand of turd.

[JI7]

100. especially since they are more likely the same ones

the creepers in the streets and the ones at the stip clubs.

[Major Nikon]

128. Either that or they aren't so judgemental about what consenting adults do with their bodies

Just sayin'

[XVI_Eyes]

169. Nope.

Not a stripper kind of guy. Appreciate the judgement from a complete stranger though.

The one club I've been to had a couple of moose for security guards and I pity the fool who tries anything.

I HAVE, however, known a couple of strippers. Both of which enjoyed their job and the income. Both were students, and neither had to work very much and still made more cash than I did. It's not a long term career obviosuly, but in their cases it wasn't meant to be. Maybe some girls work in nasty clubs or hate their job. But they are grown ups, and need to make a different choice if that's the case.

My experience may well be different than yours. The club I went to just had girls dancing naked. I actually found it kind of boring.

[alphafemale]

110. It may vary by state but bouncers will throw a guy out in a second if a girl wants him gone.

There is a no touching rule here. The girl can touch the patron. The patron cannot touch the dancer.

It is someone's choice to do this. There can be some great money.

But it is probably about a ten year career life. Maybe a little more.

[redqueen]

112. Yep. It is the woman's choice to tolerate disgusting behavior, if a guy is paying enough.

Pretty sure not many women at Walmart are paid to grind on some pathetic gross married dude's lap "to completion" but that goes on in lots of strip clubs.

[pintobean]

114. Is it just the guy's behavior that you find disgusting?

They're both willing participants.

[redqueen]

115. Yep.

One is being paid to do it, so that mitigates her participation.

If she wasn't being financially induced to engage in the activity that'd be one thing (and she wouldn't be doing it, which is why these guys have to bribe women).

As it is, we are discussing stripping, not random cheaters.

[alphafemale]

130. You are now claiming that there are no women exhibitionists who enjoy this work?

Just because you don't like their choice, and find it "dirty,
" doesn't make it wrong for them.

[pintobean]

141. I see

And, if the stripper was male, and the patron was "some pathetic gross married" gal?

Am I allowed to apply your description of the man to the woman?

[alphafemale]

116. Women at Walmart don't have bouncers who will toss out people who get out of line.

...or just on their nerves.

[redqueen]

119. Bouncers don't throw guys out for annoying dancers.

And yes, Walmart does have security guards that will throw you out for any number of reasons.

[alphafemale]

120. You don't know what you're talking about.

I know bouncers

[redqueen]

121. And I've been in the clubs.

So I could make the same accusation about you. But I won't. I will just recognize that there are all different kinds of clubs. I hope you're basing your opinion on the claims of bouncers from a wide variety of clubs.

[Major Nikon]

131. If the stripper goes "to completion" the gravy train gets derailed

Strip clubs are designed to separate men from their money, and your idea of strip clubs doesn't seem all that profitable.

Just sayin'

[Deep13]

152. exploitation is exploitation...

...whether it is using ones body to make money for a corporate ruling class or using it to entice strip-club customers to part with cash. Either way, we work for the ruling class, not ourselves.

[Drahthaardogs]

148. Yeah, but at the strip club you have two guys the size of small horses ready to toss them

if they break the "look but do not touch" routine.

I would rather strip than work the night shift at 7-11.

[WinkyDink]

147. No, it isn't; strippers don't pose like for an art class.

[Honeycombe8]

156. If that's the choice. But really, Walmart is not the only other job pretty women can have.

A pretty woman could get a job as a receptionist, personal assistant, things like that. They don't pay squat, but they do have something stripping doesn't have: benefits. Office workers usually get 401k contributions, health insurance, paid days off for personal and vacation, shorter working hours. And then there's of course the opportunity to meet a man who makes a good living, and there's no morality issue. A man who makes a good living isn't likely to get seriously involved with a stripper.

Depends on what a person wants in life. If she wants a stable home life, kids, a house...stripping isn't a lifestyle that leads to those things usually, I think.

You can only do stripping for a certain number of years, like an athlete. And then what? I saw a documentary of a stripper once. She'd been a stripper in some foreign country. It messed her up in the head and gave her a not so good view of men and life in general. It's a seamy side of life, and men who leer and drool over strippers aren't always nice men. They don't view strippers as "decent" women or worthy of consideration. Some strippers, if they're young, are into their appearance and aren't jaded yet, but this woman in teh documentary...she was really messed up in the head from the years of interacting with that side of life. Then you're tossed aside when your body's not so good any more.

[JI7]

157. they are mostly sleazy types and most strippers would never

want to be in a relationship with guys who go there either. not even a one night thing.

[Ron Green]

2. The unregulated free market moves money towards certain types of things.

[arely staircase]

3. it is pretty regulated eom

[MADem]

4. That's a huge payday, but that's a long workday, too.

I don't really understand the culture....

And if it's an "all nude" club, where do the strippers put their tips? Is that a garter for the purpose?

[DiverDave]

5. Yep, thats what its for

Man, I havnt been to a peal bar in 20 years.
That is an impressive haul tho...I bet her feet were sore.
on edit: I counted 2300.

Man, thats alot for 1 day.

[KansDem]

38. Man, who tipped a dollar?!!

Cheapskates!!!

(The $2 bills are kinda cute )

[JVS]

105. Money goes back to the till to keep making change for the customers.

[HiPointDem]

6. and i bet some small-time drug dealers could do the same. as could some thieves and burglars.

and that's the world we're going to live in if the ruling class has its way.

i'm so glad she advertised her take because what the world needs is more strippers.

[hobbit709]

7. a drug dealer may haul in that much but after he pays his connection off, there'd be a lot less.

[Locut0s]

10. Equating stripping with burglary and thievery? WTF? nt.

[HiPointDem]

12. i equate them all with a certain kind of economy, the economy of ghettoization. which is what's

being done to us.

[Turborama]

17. Stripping, drug dealing and burglary are "being done to us" by the nefarious PTB?

What total and utter bullshit. There is no such thing as "the economy of ghettoization", you just made it up.

[brooklynite]

103. Last time I checked there were strippers during the hot economy periods when everyone had a job...

Some do it because they don't have a choice...

Some do it because then like the money...

Some do it because they like the work.

[zaireeka]

20. Ghettoization...

HPD-

Can you elaborate on this concept? I don't think I've ever come across the concept of a "gehttoization" of an economy. What goods and services are included/excluded? Please advise....

[Taverner]

75. My racism radar went off when I saw that...

[HiPointDem]

77. Ghettos are created by economics and/or politics. Appalachia is/was also a ghetto.

Sharon Zukin explains that through these reasons, society rationalizes the term "bad neighborhoods." Zukin stresses that these circumstances are largely related to, "racial concentration, residential abandonment, and deconstitution and reconstitution of communal institutions." [18][34] Many scholars diagnose this poorly facilitated and fragmented view of the United States as the "age of extremes." This term argues that inequalities of wealth and power reinforce spatial separation; for example, the growth of gated communities can be interconnected with the continued ghettoization of the poor.[19]

The term rural ghetto was coined by Osha Gray Davidson in the book Broken Heartland: The Rise of America's Rural Ghetto and is used to describe the influx of poverty and neglect in the small towns of Midwestern and Southeastern United States that occurs. [1]

Some of the trends driving the rural ghetto phenomenon:[original research?]

-A speculation-driven bubble in land prices.
-A push by agricultural officials to have farmers produce as much grain as possible, the "fence row to fence row" mandate.
-The bank crisis, partially caused by banks pushing too-easy-to-get credit on both farm and non-farm businesses.
-The decline in the number of non-farm jobs and the increase of low-paying service-sector jobs.
-The opening of large malls on the outskirts of towns.
-Reagan-era reduction in farm aid to states, cities and towns when aid was most needed.

Also to note, many Indian Reservations, home to Native Americans such as Pine Ridge and Standing Rock, South Dakota, and Hispanic-majority farm towns known as colonias (see also barrio), most notably in South Texas and Central California, are referred to as "rural ghettos." Often these areas are isolated geographically from main economic centers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_ghetto

[HiPointDem]

83. the economy of ghettos; the economy of places from which capital has disinvested.

those who have the means leave; those who are left behind survive as best they can.

ghettoization is the process through which this situation develops.


On December 3, 1967, Regina and Charles Schneibel were trapped by fire in their Lower East Side apartment....In the blaze, Charles, Regina, and their two oldest children suffered severe burns. Their three youngest children died of smoke inhalation. Incredibly, the death of the three children didn’t even merit its own headline, because it wasn’t the biggest fire tragedy to report. They shared a story with five children in Brooklyn who had died in a similar fire earlier the same day. A month earlier, a mother, her two children, and her niece and nephew were all killed in a fire.

All thirteen victims died in an era of New York’s history when more than 300 people, mostly poor Black and Latino New Yorkers, were killed every year by fire. The fires were one of New York’s worst disasters, and the toll was devastating. By the time the fires were out, thousands of New Yorkers had been killed between 1965 and 1983. One South Bronx neighborhood that held 836 buildings in 1970 had nine left in 1980. Other tracts lost more. Tens of thousands of people lost their homes. City officials had advocated abandoning whole neighborhoods and then closed fire stations in the very Black and Latino neighborhoods that were burning out of control. The deaths were the direct result of those policies. It was the closest New York City came to genocide in the twentieth century.

For the current generation of writers making sense of contemporary New York — from William Sites’ Remaking New York to Miriam Greenberg’s Branding New York — the city’s crises, fiscal collapse, and shock therapy of the 1970s are the Big Bang from which today’s neoliberal New York erupted.[1] Joe Flood contributes to the study of this vital period a rich description of the era and explains how a handful of officials with the power to stop the fires watched while New York burned. The fires are not an unknown part of New York’s history.[2] But there has been no broad history of the fires until now. In presenting the protracted trauma, The Fires makes the story of the burning of the South Bronx so engaging that we are a little less likely to ever forget. It is a much needed book. But the reckoning of the fires is not done.

O’Hagan used the RAND corporation’s computer analysis to justify closing fire departments in the Bronx even while whole neighborhoods burned, thus earning the appreciation of financially strapped mayors John Lindsay and Abe Beame. Flood tells of the rise of RAND from a group of World War II slide rule warriors to an influential, politically savvy, and high-priced consulting organization. No one else has made the story of rational management and early computer modeling read like an engrossing Greek tragedy.

Along the way, Flood weaves together many threads of this story. He explains how redlining by banks and the federal government’s Home Ownership Loan Corporation explicitly denied non-white neighborhoods the loans that building owners needed to maintain their property, leading to the deterioration that was a precursor to the fires. He just as deftly dismisses some of the popular assumptions about the chaos of the era when he demonstrates that the notorious killing of Kitty Genovese did not, in fact, reflect a callous city that ignored a murder victim’s cries, but a typical case of residents who did call for help.

The most common cause of the conflagrations was more dismaying for how mundane it was: a much larger constellation of powerful people allowed perfectly normal fires to burn out of control and displace tens of thousands of families.

http://newpol.org/content/fires-next-time

[TheMadMonk]

158. OP this please. Gonna get lost burried here, needs to be seen more.

[HiPointDem]

167. I will sometime, but not now. Needs to be in reference to something, & there's nothing in

particular to hang it on right now.

and it's a huge topic, that goes in stages.

http://upfromflames.brooklynhistory.org/uff_path/uff_path.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_shrinkage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink_to_survive

I can tell you that people who told me that detroit would never come back will be eating their words in a few years -- the big boys are already in there buying up cheap land. and they've got the emergency manager laws to make it even easier.

[polly7]

45. Oh, bull.

I used to work in a bar in Edmonton many moons ago and got to talk with some of the dancers. It wasn't a 'stripper bar' per se, but they had these ladies in once a week. Most I talked to were raising money to go back to school or just simply doing it because they liked the money ... they weren't forced into it in any way, shape or form. This was back when Alberta's economy was booming ..... there were plenty of good paying jobs. They were no more 'ghettoized' than I was.

[RILib]

117. women, you mean, not ladies

[Sissyk]

136. No, she said ladies.

That's what she meant.

[polly7]

150. You're exactly right Sissyk. nt.

[woolldog]

61. Would you prefer us all to be corporate lawyers

with oil connections.

[HiPointDem]

79. I'd prefer a more equal world.

[octothorpe]

82. You don't think some women would still have a desire to have such jobs?

There are plenty of women who seem to enjoy getting attention. It's why we sometimes seem women who dance on table tops at bars or parties for free. They do it because they find it fun.... I find it hard to believe that even in an ideal world that women (or men) who find such activities attractive/fun wouldn't do it for money if they could. Just because you or I may not find the idea appealing for ourselves, it doesn't mean others have our same hang ups.

[HiPointDem]

85. i think many less would, and this is borne out historically. it's not a 'hang-up', it's a fact.

[octothorpe]

89. I'm sure there would be less...

but there are lots of people who would rather have a different job, but there will still be people who desire such a job. Ever see those sign spinners/dancers on street corners? One of my previous neighbors took a job like that back a few years ago while he was looking for real work. He said it was the most embarrassing job he ever did. But then there is kid who does something similar on a street I often drive down, the guy looks like he really enjoys it as he's smiling and dancing (he's been out there for at least three months so far) Just because some people do not enjoy a job or find it degrading, it doesn't make it wrong or unworthy.

I also have hard time criticizing the job, because I can't say I wouldn't be a dancer/stripper if I thought it was something I could successfully pull off and enjoy (I don't like attention much)

[HiPointDem]

93. that may be, but it's really irrelevant to my point, which is not to 'criticize the job'.

[JI7]

109. smiling on the job is more of a job description than whether someone actually

enjoys doing it.

[octothorpe]

118. It is possible that the guy hates his job

but he really does seem to get into it and looks as if he is enjoying it.

[TheMadMonk]

159. They can make you smille with your lips. They can't make you smile with your body. /nt

[leftstreet]

168. So you think women would strip for minimum wage?

[octothorpe]

171. How many strippers make minimum wage?

Even if they did, I don't think I could say with certaintity that all women wouldn't take such a job over other minimum wage jobs. Do you think its impossible for any woman to enjoy the job?

[CBGLuthier]

13. why compare three illegal things to one legal one?

[HiPointDem]

14. because it's the same economy. strip clubs, drugs, thieves = the economy of ghettoization.

[theKed]

15. Drugs and burglary

Take money from people in harmful, undesired ways.
When people are forced into strip clubs at gunpoint, or become cripplingly addicted to naked, dancing people, let me know.

[HiPointDem]

16. people aren't forced to buy drugs, either. the economy of ghettoization includes the legal and

the illegal, but they go together nevertheless. lotteries, payday loans, pawn shops... they're legal too.

[theKed]

18. Don't forget regular bars

Video games, and liberal arts colleges.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Ha!

[arely staircase]

43. tattoo parlors

comic books and car washes.

[HappyMe]

33. LOL!

Holy crap! That's ridiculous. You just made all of this 'ghetto economy' stuff up.

[snooper2]

34. you should right a book on this!

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22economy+of+ghettoization%22&hl=en&gbv=2&gs_l=heirloom-hp.12...860.2422.0.3485.2.2.0.0.0.0.78.125.2.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.iP-r-nP_5uE&oq=%22economy+of+ghettoization%22


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It's new!

[arely staircase]

44. elvis sang a song about it

nt

[HiPointDem]

78. maybe i should, since most people think ghettoization 'just happens'.

[bowens43]

26. That's rediculous.

[davidpdx]

161. The underground economy is really what it is

The money is not part of a nations GDP because it is uncounted.

[HiPointDem]

165. only part of it is underground.

[davidpdx]

170. That's true

Part of the money for strip clubs like the restaurant and drinks would have to be reported. I doubt the tips are.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

76. But thieves would have harmed others to make their money. N.T.

[octothorpe]

84. but those bad bad dancers are stealing men's hard earned money...

or something.

[burnodo]

8. "I have always been open about my body..."

"...so most of my friends and lots of strangers had already seen me naked before I even started dancing. "

I have many, many friends I've never seen naked. And, lots of strangers?

[hobbit709]

11. I guess you've never been at place like this.

http://www.hippiehollow.com/

[MineralMan]

22. Not so strange, really. I used to spend a lot of time

at a nude beach near where I lived and went to school. I met a lot of people there, some of whom became my friends. I worked for a short time as a life model, too.

[woolldog]

52. Did you ever get a boner when you were posing?

[MineralMan]

55. No. Why do you ask?

It was not a sexual situation, and the poses were uncomfortable enough that I was focused on holding the pose. As an adult, erections most often occur in sexual situations for me, not when I'm working on something.

I never even gave it a second thought, really. I was paid to hold a pose for artists who were drawing that pose. That I was nude wasn't really an issue for me, or for them, except that they were doing life drawing and the models were nude.

People have been posing nude for artists for a very long time. I haven't seen too many drawings of people with erections, have you?

[woolldog]

56. I just imagine that I would.

[MineralMan]

59. Then doing life modeling probably isn't a good choice

for you. But, one of the reasons I never worried about it is that if such a thing had happened, the artists would have just ignored it, or made a sketch of it. I know one artist who did an entire series of drawings of men's penises and used them to create a series of etchings which were published as a book. I'm in that book, too. Those were sittings for an individual artist, who was also a friend of mine. She told me that nobody had ever had an erection while she was drawing their naughty bits. She also said, "So what if you did?"

So, it doesn't appear to be a problem, really.

[RedstDem]

58. i always figured my back would go out

Before my time was up, then people would have to paint my likeness laying on the floor

[MineralMan]

60. Yah. I ended up with a sore back several times, along with

sore knees and other joints. Posing is hard work. Fortunately, it pays pretty well, though.

[R B Garr]

32. She says she has implants

so that may be one reason she's so open about her body. Typically before surgery, a woman will do a lot of research about what cup size they want and will talk to a lot of people about it, especially their friends or even somewhat casual acquaintances. Maybe that made her more open. I knew a woman at work who thought nothing of showing people her "improvements" after her surgery if they were that interested, kinda like she was showing them a new car or something.

[Xithras]

49. Nudity among friends isn't exaclty a new thing.

When I was a teenager, we used to go skinnydipping in the local creeks on weekends. I probably saw a dozen of my friends, both male and female, completely nude on various occasions. Nobody thought much of it. And that was in the late 80's.

Our culture has always included a variety of opinions on nudity. Interestingly, I've always found that "liberal city folk" were WAAAY more prudish about nudity than the "conservative country bumpkins" I grew up with.

[madokie]

19. Hell for money like that I might get a sex change operation

and some implants too, both front and back. ass since I'm a tad shy in that department

[KansDem]

39. I might try it too.

However, I suspect the cash would be flowing in the other direction...

[Laelth]

24. The picture of the cash seems needed in this thread.

Indeed. Where do I sign up?

-Laelth

[Blue_Tires]

31. A friend of mine from L.A. put herself through law school as a dominatrix

she made the money in that photo in say one and a half of her "sessions", and it didn't take her 15 hours, either...

[arely staircase]

25. Menagerii is working to pay for college

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like they all are.

[Le Taz Hot]

35. It's not as uncommon as you think.

I went to college with several women who either stripped or prostituted to support themselves (and sometimes their kids). They were able to pay for their tuition and books and not rely on student loans. You'd never know it by looking at them.

[arely staircase]

37. they all are to hear them tell it, at least they were in the late 90s

the last time I was talked into going to one of those places

and I am sure a few were since it was in a major university town.

I think those places exploit men. that is certainly how I felt after blowing a hundred bucks to be sexually frustrated.

[Le Taz Hot]

40. It's none of my business

why "they all" choose to do what they do. I'm not their judge and neither are you.

Wait. Did you just claim victimhood for losing a hundred bucks at a strip bar?

Wow!

[arely staircase]

41. jeez, lighten up.

i am not judging anyone. i just think it is funny that the last time i was in a strip club every single stripper said she was stripping to pay for college and then this one in the op says the same thing.

and the exploitation comment was tongue in cheek.

you don't have to bite my head off.

[CincyDem]

47. Strippers have been "paying for college" since God made dirt, but...

...I think there's starting to be more truth than fiction in the statement.

Last time I heard a stripper use the line, I asked her about her thesis and she said something like "nothing really, we're looking at the interdependence of photosynthesis efficiency and water table depth as climate isotherms migrate". LOL. Sounded impressive to me but WTF do I know.

And there's no head biting off intended here.

[Xithras]

50. I've mentioned on DU before....

...that I had a relationship with a young woman while I was at Cal who basically put herself through college that way (she started by renting a room in our apartment, but we ended up dating). She worked for a high end escort service and took home over $400 an hour after taxes. She also did weekend trips with wealthy business guys who took her to Paris, the Med, and all sorts of other places, and she could easily clear $5000+ dollars in just a few days time. And keep in mind that those were early 90's wages. I'm sure women in that field make far more money today.

She was a highly intelligent woman, wasn't sexually abused or hooked on drugs, wasn't being forced by a pimp. She could have easily pulled student loans to pay her tuition, but chose to go the escort route simply because she didn't want the debt. She typically only worked a few days a month, and went all the way through grad school 100% debt free. Last I heard, she was a married mom working at a research lab somewhere in the SF Bay Area.

I once asked her why she was dating me, a poor broke college student, when she had all these rich guys throwing money at her and asking her to marry them (she used to get about one marriage proposal a month, and refused them all). She said that I kept her "normal".

Stereotypes about escorts are about as accurate as any other stereotype, and there are a lot of young women who engage in that sort of thing without being "broken", or "exploited" or "abused". It's not something I'd want my own daughter to do, but I wouldn't freak out over it either if I discovered that she was (we might have a long talk about safety to assuage some fears, but that's about it). To some people, sex really isn't a big deal.

[arely staircase]

65. I too know a woman who worked in that profession

we didn't date, in any sense of the term, we have just been friends since high school. she started working as an escort after college. I was one of the few people she told about it. she now works in a bank, is married - to a normal, non-former client guy now. I don't know if the hubby knows or not about her old job. like I said we have been friends since high school, she was an escort for a couple of years in the early nineties, so I don't really think of her as my friend that used to be an escort. your post just made me think "oh, wow _____ used to do that!" and yeah, she got proposed to all the time.

[NickB79]

48. My physics lab partner in college was a stripper

She tried for a semester to stop stripping, but went back to it simply because the money was so good that she could work two days a week and have plenty of time for studying. At a conventional job, she was working 5 days a week and still not coming close to what she was making before.

[madville]

163. And every prostitute that approached me in Costa Rica was

And every prostitute that approached me in Costa Rica was "a student at the university".

[Nye Bevan]

27. Quick! Someone needs to save her from being exploited (nt)

[Major Nikon]

126. Boobies dancing lasciviously! The horror!

[Blue_Tires]

28. Why the shock? I've known of girls who made two grand a night in backwoods trucker dives...

and having lived in ATL before, I'm guessing she's at one of the higher-end joints where people like throwing their $$$$ around...A couple of downtown places I remember were notorious longtime NBA/NFL/rap superstar hangouts....

[MineralMan]

29. One of my nearby neighbors makes her living

in one of the Twin Cities "gentlemen's clubs." She's apparently doing OK financially, but the late hours she keeps and the series of questionable "friends" that show up at her house is bothersome to the neighbors. I don't much care, but others do, since cars nobody recognizes seem to show up there at about 2AM.

I can't be certain, but she may be working after hours.

[CincyDem]

30. If this were a guy, he'd be labeled "entreprenurial".

For me, this falls into the "good for her" category. She has taken what she has at this point in her life, some combination of physical attributes considered desirable by a group and an attitude to match, and she's turning it into cash.

In this economy, there's probably a lot more of this going on today. When repugs say "people should be more self reliant", well...this is what some (many?) will choose to rely on.

College kids have got to start reaching for creative ways to finance education and what we may have considered unacceptable in previous generations, given the landscape of choices afforded to us at that time. I found myself in a conversation with a sciences grad student who was funding grad school this way. I asked if she was worried about what future employers might think about this. She wasn't worried saying that, in her opinion, future employment decision makers weren't going to be as judgmental since many of them will likely have had to do things for their education that they "left off their resume".

Interesting perspective.

[okieinpain]

36. it will be all good until he

wants her to continue to be the stripper. two examples; 1. my oldest kid is working on her doctorate in education and hates it when people remembers that she worked at hooters and a lot of people seem to have seen her there.

2. i use to work on copiers and got sent to an elementary school where i saw a young lady that use to work at a resturant that i did dishes at when i was in high school. understand it wasn't a strip club or anything close to that. but the waitresses did wear really scimpy outfits. i did not think anything about it but she fled that teachers lounge fast when she saw me.

so easy money isn't always easy money.

[arely staircase]

42. i think hooters should serve only non-alcoholic beer and decaf coffee

since it is basically a titty bar without any nudity.

[Nye Bevan]

53. Isn't "a titty bar without any nudity" something of an oxymoron?

Should any establishment in which the waitstaff wear shorts and T-shirts be designated a "titty bar"?

[arely staircase]

63. yes it is an oxymoron but so is non-alcoholic beer.

and no not any but certainly any whose name is, like titties, slang for a woman's breasts - hooters.

got it?

[Sissyk]

139. Ever been to Twin Peaks?

Apparently, it's the new Hooters here in town. Full bar, not just beer.

[okieinpain]

172. I've heard that before, I believe the term was

strip club lite.

[CincyDem]

46. That's why I said "combination of ability and attitude"

In both these cases, it appears there's a sense of self involved in this...people wishing they didn't have to do what they had to do to move forward. I think the fact that you didn't think anything about it is more representative of the real world.

We're seeing things becoming the "norm" now that Reaganomics has reached it's mid-30's.

Think about home foreclosures - in 1985, if you lost your home it was a shaming event that you hid from relatives, co-workers, and family. Today, it's hard not to know someone who is involved at some level with a foreclosure.

The same is true of bankruptcy - in 1985, you worked hard to keep it quiet. Today, while not enviable, most folks look at it and say "meh", bad chit happens to good people.

I think there will be a day in the not too distant future where "stripping your way to a college degree" will be non-news. It'll be the girl version of "worked construction", "did landscaping", or "painted houses" for guys. Instead of focusing on the stripping part, people are going to focus on the initiative taken to get an education without putting their entire future financial situation at risk.

[CincyDem]

74. Too many compound logic assumptions in that one for me to interpret :-)

[riqster]

54. I worked with strippers for years,

...back when having live bands providing music was the norm. Easy work, and watching the idiot horndogs drooling over the girls was hilarious.

Oh, and I worked a few shows where male dancers were performing for female audiences. Proof that both genders have gullible lust-ridden members in their ranks.

One such club had in the manager's office this plaque: "It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money". (W.C. Fields) I would say that pretty well sums up the business model for all adult entertainment establishments.

[redqueen]

62. Most strippers don't make that kind of money. Most aren't doing it for their higher education.

But focusing on the most privileged examples is all most people seem interested in doing where sex work is concerned, so I'll leave it at that.

[The Straight Story]

64. Perhaps

It is like how most people focus on people with guns who use them in a crime and not the 99% who don't.

It is the exceptions that make news and get most talked about (except, in this case, it was not a news org covering it).

When all we see is the negative about a group it tends to change our views on that group. Like with churches. I read a lot of small town papers and most churches do a lot of good in and for their community. When it comes to the main news networks and online people don't care about those stories because it is expected behavior so it does get reported on.

We don't report on crimes that have not happened, scams that never occurred, etc.

Thing is, now it is not just the media but everyone out looking for things which are negative and we have become more and more cynical of our fellow citizens to the point we see each other as the boogeyman (or, uh, boogeywoman).

We believe our schools all suck, passengers on planes want to kill us with a bottle of lotion, everyone's intentions are the most negative in the most simple of daily things, etc.

So yeah, focusing on just certain examples in anything can cause people to be biased - but you find what you look for.

Be back soon, have to go open a door.

[redqueen]

66. Surprise, surprise. Your first reply and it's about guns and disingenuous 'doors' bullshit.

*yawn*

[The Straight Story]

67. Nope. It is about underlying principles in things

And how they apply.

But some people miss the forest for the trees.

[redqueen]

70. Thoughtful people here know what the issue you dishonestly reduced to 'doors' was really about.

So thanks for showing your ass on that one. Again.

That, as well as your repeatedly shoehorning 'and guns!' into certain types of unrelated discussions speak volumes.

I'll let you get on with your door opening now. Bye.

[opiate69]

72. "Thoughtful people" here can read English...

And know that if sexism is bad, then "benevolent sexism" is a negative concept, coming from a presumably "positive" motivation. They also know that if a person is asked for a definition of something, and "holding doors open for women" is the first example listed, it must be important to the person providing the examples.

[ismnotwasm]

69. Still stuck on doors?

I'm going to trash this thread, as it's a dishonest picture about sex work, but dude, let the door thing go...

[BainsBane]

71. Since we haven't had a new edition of Straw Woman weekly

Last edited Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Doors is still on the menu.

[redqueen]

73. I doubt there are many people here still buying that spin.

Or if so I doubt they'll admit it.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Perhaps he "just got into town about an hour ago"

Sorry, little door joke.

[lumberjack_jeff]

135. Did you not *just* take a look around to see which way the wind blows? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

137. Ol' Jim, for all his flaws, was right about a few things.

For one, The West IS The Best.

[lumberjack_jeff]

142. Darn it. I've got chores to do and look what you did.

Although in your defense, I probably didn't need to listen to it twice.

[Warren DeMontague]

143. I haven't needed an excuse to slack. Are you guys getting this awesome weather up there?

It's been GREAT here, the past week or so. I love it when April actually acts like April.

[lumberjack_jeff]

160. It has been pretty pleasant, mostly.

It periodically clears up long enough to mow the lawn... which sounds kind of sad... but it beats the alternative, typical spring weather in which we mow 8" of matted wet moss-grass mixture in the rain.

Jesus, I gripe a lot.

[opiate69]

68. Kinda like...

How some people only want to focus on the most extreme examples of abuse and coersion when discussing sex work?

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. It is no less legitimate than using a few cherry-picked examples to illustrate "male privilege"

If anyone is being exploited, it's the guys who owned the wallets from which the $100 bills were withdrawn.

The difference between this article and conversations about male privilege is that this article and the OP acknowledge the extraordinary nature of this day's tips and don't claim to describe the life of the average stripper.

[Blue_Tires]

111. Well the men aren't expolited when they go in and freely shell out cash

it's not like the men are forced at gunpoint to enter the joint and spend money like it's infected...

I've known a few execs who like to throw their money around in strip clubs just to prove to their boys that they can, and how much money they have to figuratively burn...On a much bigger scale, we've ALL seen this with certain sports superstars -- Stories of them burning tens of thousands of dollars in a single night as a part of 'living the life' are commonplace...

[lumberjack_jeff]

129. I wouldn't hang out with that kind of exec either.

The only kind of money-tossing with which they might impress me as a subordinate is money they stuff into the g-string of the the United Way or other legitimate charity.

"The boys" who struggle in vain to keep up with that level of financial debauchery may be doing it voluntarily, but "voluntary" and "exploitive" aren't mutually exclusive, imo.

Your last sentence doesn't describe a life worth living. Am I cheap? Perhaps, but I wouldn't spend $100 to get a topless woman to smile at me, and it would depress me severely to acknowledge that $100 is what it costs.

[Recursion]

88. Oh, sure, bring up the facts about TIP in sex work

That totally kills male fantasies, redqueen!

(In case it's needed: )

EDIT: it's still ambiguous: there probably are women out there who do sex work and enjoy it. That does not change the fact that the industry as a whole is vastly and irredeemably exploitative.

[redqueen]

90. Of course there are many who do it and enjoy it, and make great money at it...

There are also those for whom multi-level marketing actually works.

Holding up either as a representative example, though...

[Recursion]

92. Right. My attempt at humor was probably ill-placed

I just meant that the occasional success story does not redeem the industry as a whole, remotely.

[redqueen]

94. I don't think so...

I got what you were saying and was attempting to agree with you.

IMO humor is a great tool for raising awareness.

[Blue_Tires]

98. I liken it to people who claim they can retire anytime on their "system"

to consistently beat the house in blackjack or horse racing or sports betting, etc etc...

[madville]

87. I bet the IRS loves these kinds of threads, good evidence

How much do you think she claims for taxes? I wonder if she has Social Security and Medicare withheld at the full rates since she is likely considered self-employed?

If she hasn't been claiming all that cash after a few years she probably owes the government well into six figures, not very smart to post online.

[siligut]

146. And she is an engineering student?

I agree, it is not too bright to brag on the innertubes about tips.

[madville]

162. I was in Costa Rica years ago and every female prostitute that approached you

was a "student at the university" when you asked them what they did for a living.

[wilt the stilt]

91. she works at the Cheetah

and she goes to Georgia tech. She is not the first one to do that. GT is very close to the Cheetah. I used to bar tend at the Cheetah many years ago and I still have some friends who work there.

[Blue_Tires]

97. So why the boasting (and why is it even news)?? I don't get it...

She's acting like no one has ever had a lucrative night stripping before...It's not like she worked that much *harder* than she does on the $600 nights; she just happened to get some free-spending high rollers in the place...

(I haven't lived in ATL since 1999, but I'd have guessed the Gold Club or Magic City, if they are still around)

[wilt the stilt]

102. Gold Club

was closed because of fraud. It was quite the scandal. Cheetah has always been the marquis club.

[Blue_Tires]

104. Makes sense....

I'm guessing the Cheetah gets all the sports/rap stars and other big spenders now?

Although my original point stands that this whole thing is a non-story, given the location and clientele... People don't go to Magic City anymore?

[Go Vols]

108. Didn't the Govt.

try to run it for a while and lost money?

[Go Vols]

107. The Gold Club

was a "coat and tie" place when I lived in Atl. back in the mid-late '80's and the girls made more than this working one shift.The man that owned the company I worked for at the time would spend $10k in a night on occasion,and there were men there with more money than him spending freely.

I knew a number of these women,some were dancing their way thru college,some just wanted to party and pay off a house and a nice car.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. Are we still on strippers?

I thought the GD forecast was a 70% chance of PETA threads.

[The Straight Story]

99. PETA suggests vegans have bigger sexual appetites in new campaign with Fallon

PETA suggests vegans have bigger sexual appetites in new campaign with Fallon

PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) UK has suggested that going vegan can make for a better sex life in its latest film, created by Fallon.

Entitled ‘Do It Like They Do’, the film is set to The Teddy Bear’s Picnic and features mammals such as rhinos, stags, horses and buffalos demonstrating their sexual prowess.

Yvonne Taylor, senior programmes manager for PETA UK, said: “Meat eaters can go from woeful to wild in bed simply by going vegan. Everyone wants to think of themselves as an animal when it comes to sex, and many of them can be if they just put down the pork and pick up the pasta.”

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/04/29/peta-suggests-vegans-have-bigger-sexual-appetites-new-campaign-fallon

There is one for you

[Warren DeMontague]

101. Yeah, theyve pissed a lot of folks off with that stuff.

Having tried a variety of different diets, I can say that regular exercise and reduced fat intake works best.

I dont eat red meat OR patronize strip joints, so I'm just all around morally superior to everyone.

[Blue_Tires]

106. That's not actually a "new" campaign nor suggestion...

PETA had that a decade ago when I first started volunteering for them...

Ironically, that's where I first met the friend I mentioned in post #31

[redqueen]

122. Did they use images of sexualized, injured women back then, too? nt

[flvegan]

132. We do. n/t

*snicker*

[Major Nikon]

127. I'm holding out for a PETA stripper thread

[Warren DeMontague]

138. I'm holding out for a Hero

which aint nothin but a sandwich.

[alarimer]

124. But you have to put up with disgusting men groping you.

Drunken, entitled slobs more like it.

Not enough money on the world would make that okay.

Add to the fact that many strip clubs are fronts for organized crime or money-laundering operations with sleazeball, drug-dealer owners. Just creepy and scary all around.

[flvegan]

133. Good for her!

Oh, to even this out, considering where we are, I used to share gym time with a male stripper. A couple times he came to the gym straight from work and he'd bring in a garbage bag FULL of crumpled cash. He trusted it with the 4 or 5 of us inside the locked joint more than in his car for an hour or so.

So, you know, there's that.

[Sissyk]

134. I have a Friend that put herself

through Vanderbilt Engineering School by striping.

Hubby and I also have a male friend that was a Chippendale dancer.

I went to see them both.

To me it's like most anything. If you don't like it, don't dance or go to strip clubs.

Oh, and they both made kick ass money way before the bad economy! lol!

[Codeine]

140. My fiance says the only thing she regrets about having kids

is that she messed up her tummy too much to strip.

[Skittles]

144. later on, when she is an engineer

she'll beef about women not being taken seriously, never realizing how shaking her T & A contributes to that attitude

[CincyDem]

151. Maybe. But just maybe she'll have...

...a kick ass attitude when it comes to confidence and the technical capability that when taken together demands that she be taken seriously. I've worked with some pretty freaking smart female engineers and I'll tell you, when you combine their smarts with their confidence - they were take-no-prisoners kind of folks.

Her shaking her T&A or not shaking her T&A isn't what contributes to women not being taken seriously. It's men who are workin' 24/7 to keep women-folk in their place.

Who was it who said "To women who say they want to be as good as a man - I say you lack ambition".

[Skittles]

153. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

maybe I would have a more kick ass attitude if I had shaken tail

[CincyDem]

154. Maybe.

[Warren DeMontague]

155. But you're like DU's official ass kicker.

I don't see how you could have a more kick ass attitude.

[Skittles]

166. CORRECT

*YOU* get it, Warren

[Go Vols]

164. +1