Gun pulled on woman waiting for mall parking spot

[proud2BlibKansan]

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. —Overland Park police are investigating after a gun was pulled on a woman waiting for a parking space.

Investigators said a woman decided to stop and wait for a person to leave a particular parking space when a man driving a car behind her grew impatient and started honking and yelling obscenities.

Police said it happened about 4:30 p.m. on the food court side of the mall.

Authorities said the woman didn't budge and the man in the car behind her drove up to her side of the vehicle, pulled a gun and started waving it at her, threatening to kill her if she didn't move.



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[octothorpe]

1. That's a tad of an overreaction.

I hope he loses his right to own guns.


Although it is annoying when someone holds everyone up because they don't want to park an extra 25ft away from the entrance. Not saying that's what was going on here, but ughhh.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Sometimes those people need to park close.

I have a friend in a cast right now with a broken leg. She doesn't have a handicapped sticker - her disability is temporary. But when we go out, I look for the closest spot I can find so she doesn't have to walk far.

My dad had Parkinson's and absolutely refused to get a handicapped sticker. So we looked for close spots when he was in the car.

So I try not to judge people looking for those close spots. I have no idea why they want to park there.

[octothorpe]

19. Yeah, those are valid points...

Particularly in the situation where someone may have a broken leg or something. I don't pull guns on people or lay my horn down or anything... After all, waiting a minute longer isn't something to go apeshit over. Although, I am guilty of usually assuming people are like my lazy brother who often gets annoyed with me because I don't drive around for 15 minutes to find the perfect parking spot.

[pnwmom]

65. I feel perfectly comfortable judging people who wave guns around in parking lots. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Me too.

[Bake]

146. Yeeeeaaaaaah, I think it's safe to say that clown has no business with a gun.

And hey, I'm a "gun nut" according to some around here.



Bake

Edited because I can't type worth sh*t tonight ...

[Honeycombe8]

140. That's rare, in my experience. It's usu. someone who wants to park close...

and they frankly don't give a shi*t if they hold up a line of cars behind them. I run across that on occasion, and it's very irritating to run across people with no consideration of others. Still, that's part of living in a city, and I try to take it in stride, as do others. Pulling a gun is an overreaction to say the least, besides being a crime.

Today I was behind someone with her turn signal on, waiting and waiting for someone to pull out of a space. I just waited. I didn't have to be anywhere at a certain time. I didn't have to wait toooo long, though, because what happened? When the car pulled out, another car from the OTHER direction, zoomed into the spot before the car in front of me could. It was absolute gall. The thing that happened in that movie, Fried Green Tomatoes. It just makes you downright mad at the in-your-face shit-on-you of it all. I felt for the car in front of me as she honked her horn solidly as she then sped off. I turned to look at the man who got out of the car that had zoomed into the space that wasn't his...and he averted his eyes. Narcissistic AND chicken.

[Beaverhausen]

48. The guy pulled up next to her to wave the gun, so clearly there was room to get around her

[pnwmom]

69. +1. n/t

[tblue37]

126. And then he drove off as she called 911--so, yeah. she *wasn't* blocking him at all! nt

[bluestate10]

160. That is the question that I had. He could have simply drove around her car. I do that often at

my favorite grocery store, which is always busy.

[Beaverhausen]

161. I've had this experience. I stop to wait for someone

And leave room for others to get around me. But some people still don't get it, they get pissed off, honk their horn and finally go by when I wave them on.


What really sucks is I park on the street at my home. When I pull up to parallel park, with my turn signal on, some people get incensed that they have to go around me. It's so fucked up I don't understand their thinking. I ALWAYS signal that I'm doing it but still some people just can't get so pissed. They honk and gun their engine to get around me. It's nuts.

[pnwmom]

75. We don't even know why she wanted that spot. Maybe the lot was very crowded.

I often have to drive around for quite some time at my local mall, and when I finally find a spot, yes, I do wait.

[treestar]

87. That's me

I don't care how far I have to walk, I'd rather park out at the edges then get into these pissing matches.

[sandy78]

117. Just another reason that guns need to be banned

[Liberal_in_LA]

156. +1

[Alva Goldbook]

2. Ironically, this is a pretty good reason for this woman to own a gun.

As a gun owner who carries concealed, you have to know the gun laws. And I mean backwards and forwards. This guy committed a crime. It's called brandishing. But she shouldn't have been holding up traffic just to be lazy.

Under the law, at least in my home state of Virginia, what the root cause is legally important. If you do something to escalate a situation, the law is not on your side. If, heaven forbid, that I ever have to use my gun for self-defense, I'm much more likely to avoid getting put behind bars if I don't do a single thing to escalate a situation.

This means, always being polite and courteous while you're in public. I never road rage. I always obey the speed limit. I'm always a defensive driver. I always hold doors for other people. I am as polite, courteous, and gentile and soft spoken in public as I possibly can be. This is what keeps the law on my side.

This woman did not deserve having a gun brandished at her. But she should have had more consideration for other people. And I have no doubt she could have used the exercise if she bothered to park at the farthest end of the parking lot. There's plenty of parking there, folks. Who doesn't need a walk these days?

[mikeysnot]

3. when two people show up to an arguement with a gun

it is called a war...

"Ironically, this is a pretty good reason for this woman to own a gun."

NO it is not, shoot out over a "parking spot" is not a reason to carry.

The idiot should lose his right to own any weapon, he has demonstrated that he is mentally unfit to own a weapon.

[Alva Goldbook]

36. I completely agree that this guy should lose his right to own a gun.

He needs to be behind bars. He committed a crime.

I'm not suggesting that there should have been a shoot out in a parking lot. And in reality (as opposed to Hollywood movies), there is almost never a shootout between two people. When you're shot at, people tend to run for their lives, even if they have a gun.

Case in point:

I'm not saying that this is what should have happened. I'm simply demonstrating that shootouts are rare, do to the nature of human survival instinct, i.e. the flight or fight syndrome.

My point here is that if this woman had been a properly trained gun owner, then she would have been forced to have more consideration for other people, and this incident wouldn't have happened. I'm not saying that what happened to her was justified, I'm just saying that being a gun owner would have likely prevented this event from ever occurring.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. And I completely disagree that she was being inconsiderate.

At most it was a minor inconvenience. Gun guy should have just pulled around her.

[raccoon]

100. I second that--he was too impatient and way over-reacting. nt

[uppityperson]

57. Properly trained gun owners are "forced" to have more consideration for others? What?

Is that part of Proper Gun Training? Being Forced to have more consideration for others? And way to blame the victim. If only she'd been properly trained in guns she'd've been forced to make sure this jerk had nothing to get upset about?

I mean...what?

[pnwmom]

73. What are you saying? That a properly trained gun owner wouldn't wait for a parking spot?

So they give parking lot training in gun classes?

And gun owners are more polite and patient than other people?

Sorry, but this is ludicrous.

[proud2BlibKansan]

153. LOL

[gollygee]

91. That's ridiculous

He was a gun owner and wasn't forced to be considerate. Being a gun owner, trained or not, doesn't and can't make people considerate. People either are considerate or aren't.

Worst argument ever.

[etherealtruth]

118. What ...?

"My point here is that if this woman had been a properly trained gun owner, then she would have been forced to have more consideration for other people, and this incident wouldn't have happened. I'm not saying that what happened to her was justified, I'm just saying that being a gun owner would have likely prevented this event from ever occurring. "This was a failed attempt to be funny ...?

Are you suggesting that the proper response to this situation would have been brandishing a gun, in return? This is unbelievable that something like this would even be suggested here.

The answer to gun threats and violence is NOT MORE GUNS.

[uppityperson]

133. Thank you Skinner. "Gun troll."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=175193&sub=trans

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

134. And I would like my alert privileges back!

At Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:59 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Bill, this guy BROKE THE LAW.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2764151

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Blaming the victim of road rage.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:10 PM, and voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Send all this shit back to the gungeon. It makes GD suck when people can't get along. A pox on everybody's house in this thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Uhhhhh.... Nope?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I am sooooooooooooooo through with these
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Number 1: This is not road rage, this is parking lot rage.

Number 2: The poster states that the guy with the gun broke the law and should be locked up. What, that's not good enough for you, Mr. Alerter? Should we send him to Gitmo and let a military commission decide his fate?

Number 3: It sounds like the woman AKA "The Victim" was being an idiot too. C'mon, sister, find another spot. Other people have lives to live too.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Inappropriate and unnecessary alert

Thank you.

[uppityperson]

136. Looks like alerter #1 mis-hit, should've been hide.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

137. Really? It looks like a false-equivalency. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. She doesn't need to own a gun to know you can't use it to get a parking spot.

She doesn't need to own a gun to know it's illegal to point it at someone to intimidate them into doing what you want them to do.

This asshole with the gun could have backed up or gone around her (I've been to this mall. It has a huge parking lot with wide lanes) and he could have parked somewhere else. When I see someone waiting for a spot, I don't pull up behind them; I go to another lane. And I have never once thought it was impolite to wait for a spot. There could be a good reason she wanted that particular spot. My dad was handicapped but refused to get a sticker for his car so we often looked for a nearby spot or just dropped him off at the door when the weather was bad.

[freshwest]

144. A number of people wait outside stores to pick up someone coming out. Would he have pulled his gun

on a shuttle bus waiting in the same situation?

No, he never would do that because of the power implied in the size of the vehicle and the number of people involved with shuttle buses - authority figures.

This is typical bullying behavior. He saw a woman alone in the car and decided to indulge his privilege to intimidate her.

It's very disappointing that the police only 'talked to the man' and have not arrested him.

[AngryOldDem]

8. Not sure I follow.

You are basically blaming the woman for being "inconsiderate" by making the man behind her wait and grow impatient, and then pull his gun. So SHE should own a gun? Why? So that they can have a good old Shootout at the K Mart Corral?

I'm sorry, but to me there was no call for the man to pull out his gun because he was being made to wait while this woman parked, and it shows just how much society has become so self-centered and impatient that we can't stand any "inconvenience" of any kind.

And how do you know that the woman didn't have some kind of physical condition that would have made it difficult for her to walk any kind of distance? You don't have to have a handicapped sticker on your car to have some kind of infirmity or injury that would make it difficult to walk any distance, and thus make you try to find a spot closer to where you're going. I know. I've been in such a situation.

But I can't justify the man's behavior here. He was the one being selfish and inconsiderate.

[Buzz Clik]

17. +1

[Alva Goldbook]

37. I refer you to post #36 (nt)

[AngryOldDem]

51. Sorry -- more tortured reasoning.

Basically, what you're saying is, that if the woman were carrying herself, she would assume that everyone else was carrying and that would have made her "more considerate." Made more considerate out of fear. What a way to live. But that is, I guess, the rationale behind concealed carry. You don't know who is packing, so your mind your Ps and Qs.

Again -- what kind of hurry was the man in that he could not stand to wait for the woman to pull into the lot? Or, if he had enough room to pull up alongside, why didn't he just pull around and be on his merry way?

You say the man should lose his right to own a gun -- fair enough. But please stop defending him for his pulling the gun in the first place.

[juajen]

60. I personally think he wanted the parking spot. NT

[Gidney N Cloyd]

68. It does feel like there's some additional motivation at play besides just 'holding up traffic'

[AngryOldDem]

78. That's my guess as well.

And he probably would have waited for it just as the woman did, but I'm sure he wouldn't have seen that as being "inconsiderate." But, if someone did, he had his trusty gun to settle the point.

[baldguy]

99. For RW gun losers, it's always someone else's fault.

No doubt, the RW gun loser in the story thought he was defending himself - that he HAD to defend himself. It's not his fault that the woman was being so inconsiderate.

[Hoyt]

9. Yep, I bet you would have shot him center mass.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. Do you gun nuts ever realize how stupid you sound?

[PeaceNikki]

15. No, it's a good reason for the hot-headed man NOT to fucking own a gun.

[Alva Goldbook]

38. I agree.

Gun ownership is a serious responsibility. If you're prone to outbursts or have a temper problem, then you shouldn't own a gun.

[gollygee]

92. From what I've seen

People prone to outbursts or who have temper problems have a higher than average likelihood of buying guns. They want power and guns are power.

[Cali_Democrat]

96. "She had the far superior weapon"

+1000

[freshwest]

141. +1

[octothorpe]

21. I doubt a gun would have helped at all in this situation...

Had the guy intended to shoot her, it would have been over before she would have even had a chance to react. I'd even venture to guess that had she had a gun herself, it may have escalated the situation if she pulled it out and pointed it at him.

For me, the only thing this situation demonstrates is that there are people out there with guns who shouldn't have guns. I'm sure even someone who is really pro-gun ownership can agree with this.

[billh58]

28. If I didn't read it, I wouldn't

believe that you actually said: "This woman did not deserve having a gun brandished at her. But she should have had more consideration for other people. And I have no doubt she could have used the exercise if she bothered to park at the farthest end of the parking lot. There's plenty of parking there, folks. Who doesn't need a walk these days?"

You gunners would actually stoop that low to defend an obvious gun nut asshole who should be locked up? Are there no depths to which you will not lower yourselves? This is a prime example of the need for tighter control of who, and who doesn't get to have a fucking gun, and you turn it into a "more guns will solve the problem" fucking argument while defending the gun nut.

[Alva Goldbook]

41. Bill, this guy BROKE THE LAW.

he should be behind bars. I'm not defending him. But c'mon, how many people these days are completely inconsiderate of others when they get behind the wheel? If everyone was polite and courteous while driving we wouldn't have a problem with road rage.

[billh58]

42. Blame the victim,

it's the NRA thing to do.

[Alva Goldbook]

44. I just blamed the guy who BROKE THE FREAKING LAW.

Can you read?

[billh58]

46. Typical of an NRA

spokesperson: say something (but if the woman had been more considerate) and then deny having said it. Pitiful and sad.

[freshwest]

142. Or if, she'd dressed appropriately, or smiled, or... I see a pattern here.

The onus is on the aggressor, the out of control gun owner who couldn't wait, nor remember how to drive, or keep his temper in check or his gun in his pants...

Thanks bill for saying it like it is.

[uppityperson]

61. Yet if she weren't so lazy and inconsiderate, he'd not been provoked. Can you read what you wrote?

[Ikonoklast]

62. You just blamed the victim, AGAIN.

You blamed her for another's rage. Do you even read what you post?

I can be as big an inconsiderate asshole as I want to be, it gives NO ONE the right to fucking shoot me.

They don' t hand out death sentences for being rude or clueless...except in Gunner Land.

[uppityperson]

63. "If everyone was polite and courteous while driving we wouldn't have a problem with road rage"

THAT is what you wrote and what we are calling you on. Even if everyone is polite and courteous, others will still be jerks and assholes.

Rather like "if all women were polite and courteous we wouldn't have a problem with domestic violence". Or "If all women wore burkas we wouldn't have a problem with rape". Or "if all children were polite and courteous we wouldn't have a problem with bullying in schools".

There will always be jerks and saying "if others behaved differently" is what you said and is wrong.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

66. This^

[gollygee]

93. +1

Wow. I can't believe the horrible arguments I'm hearing in this thread.

[Hoyt]

159. Bye Alva. See ya next time.

[raccoon]

101. In a perfect world, everyone would be polite and courteous on the road.

I question your motives here.

[Progressive dog]

135. And you defended him

When you put it in writing you it becomes hard to get away with denying it. If you don't stand behind what you said then take it back. If you don't take it back, then defend it.

Just for once I want a gun nut to actually stand behind what he believes.

[CincyDem]

30. yes - this makes perfect sense. She should be waving hers in a "who's bigger" contest. yeah. n/t

[Gidney N Cloyd]

33. I'm missing the part of your post where you support the premise in the subj line.

[Marrah_G]

35. Another gun would have just made it more likely for someone to be shot.

[appleannie1]

54. If she had shown a gun, he probably would have shot her in "self defense".

[Politicalboi]

55. So they could have a shoot out in the parking lot

Yes Ironically that would be the ideal situation.

And holding up traffic because she is lazy. So let's say she moved on, and the guy then waited for the same spot. Is he now lazy too? The asshole had enough room to go around her, but chose to be an ass instead. This asshole proved he shouldn't own a gun or a car.

[uppityperson]

58. "But she shouldn't have been holding up traffic just to be lazy" Wow. You have "no doubt" she

could have used the exercise. Double wow.

Assume much?

[Skittles]

59. drive like an asshole and protect yourself with a gun!!!

OMG

[pnwmom]

67. The man drove up next to her, which proves she wasn't blocking him. n/t

[pnwmom]

70. Not unless you want to get involved in a showdown over a parking space. n/t

[MrScorpio]

74. Oh boy…

[otohara]

88. She Was Holding Up Traffic Just To Be Lazy??????

How on earth did you jump to that insane conclusion?

[RetroLounge]

124. Ironically, you're a dumbass who has been PPR'd

B'Bye, gun humper.

RL

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

128. Today, I alerted on one of its posts, and the jury voted to leave it 6-0.

I wonder if I can get back my alert option.

[TheMadMonk]

139. Dickless had room to pull up alongside and then go around.

Therefore the woman was not impeding traffic.

London to a house-brick Dickless wanted that spot for himself.


"...No doubt she could have used the exercise..."

Why not say what you clearly think? Fat and lazy. Insinuation is not "polite and courteous" Not saying anything at all is "polite and courteous".

When people insist on ennumerating just how bloody wonderful they are, I know they're almost certainly anything but, and you go on to demonstrate just that when you blame the victim for her part in "provoking" Dickless's unconscionable behaviour.


Dressing provocatively is not invitiation to rape.

[upaloopa]

157. Look the solutionn is less guns not more and there is nothing ironic about it at all.

[lpbk2713]

4. WAAAH. You're not paying any attention to me!!

Tough guy was acting just like a three year old.

Mental evaluations should be required in cases like this.

[Hoyt]

6. Another responsible gun owner.

[truebluegreen]

83. GMTA. nt

[TeeYiYi]

7. Clearly...

...he had plenty of room:

”...and the man in the car behind
her drove up to her side of the
vehicle...”

He was just being a dick. I wish people in this thread would stop blaming the woman.

TYY

[AngryOldDem]

11. If he had room to drive alongisde...

...then he had room to pass.

This is one of the reasons why I hate driving anymore. I don't know if I'm going to do something that will piss someone off to the point they want to kill me.

Tell me again why concealed carry is such a great idea?

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Yep. He could have just driven around her.

He just wanted to be an asshole.

[otohara]

50. Asshole Brandishing A Gun

is a tad bit scarier than just wanting to be an asshole.

Christ I would have had a stroke.
I hope he get's his fucking gun taken away.

[jmowreader]

10. This guy getting his guns confiscated would be a good news story

But the people who block the road waiting for parking spaces piss me off too.

I have a patent pending method of fixing these guys when they block the road waiting for my spot...and some of the morans around here will block the road if they see you approaching the car with a bag: I go back in the store.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. She wasn't blocking the road.

He was able to pull up next to her and point his gun at her.

[Logical]

22. You sound like you have a temper/anger issue also. n-t

[pnwmom]

77. He drove around her, proving she wasn't blocking him. n/t

[Trajan]

86. Hmmm ...

If someone sees a driver get into their car as if to leave, then waiting for them nearby, after moving your car out of the way so others can pass you .... It is completely reasonable for a person to do this ....

First car to see that driver is leaving gets the first chance to await their departure and move into the space once it's empty ...

Someone in that position is under no obligation to 'keep going' ... as long as they don't block the roadway (she didn't) then they are perfectly in their rights to stop and await the departing vehicle ...

I respect the line - first come first served ...

Do you respect the line, or are you always first, no matter what ?

[Niceguy1]

132. if i see someone just stopped

And waiiting to see if anybody backs out (holding up traffic) I just browse DU until that person gives up and then let the second person have the space.

[proud2BlibKansan]

154. LOL! Best reply in the thread!!

[tblue37]

158. She wasn't blocking. He drove up beside her to

threaten her, then drove away when she called the cops.

Not blocking at all.

[HappyMe]

12. I hate malls.

I'm kind of surprised that more people don't get their asses kicked for stupid parking lot behavior.

[Logical]

23. yes, because physical violence for bad behavior is a good idea. n-t

[HappyMe]

25. ....

I haven't ever seen anybody get their ass kicked in a parking lot, so.... thanks for the unnecessary lesson.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. I saw 2 women fighting in the grocery store parking lot years ago.

They had had a fender bender. Another shopper told me they came inside and asked the store manager to call the police (this was years before cell phones) and the store manager told them the cops wouldn't come because it's private property. So the women went back out to the parking lot, one thing led to another, and by the time I pulled up, they were punching the living shit out of each other. And when the manager called the cops to report the fight, they came.

It seems funny now but it really wasn't at the time.

[HappyMe]

43. A couple of years ago I saw 2 women

fighting over an ugly Christmas sweater. They were yelling and both yanking on the sweater. I don't know how it ended. I got the hell out of there, after I laughed and they both gave me a nasty look.

[MineralMan]

24. Me, too. When I must go to one,

I park way out in the boondocks, where I can pull through and drive out, rather than back out. Then I walk to the mall. It's amazing how many spaces there are out 100 yards from the masses of cars. I can walk. I like to walk. It's good for me.

I hate malls, though, so I'm not there often.

[HappyMe]

27. Yup. If we absolutely have to go

we park far away from the parking spot wars.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

39. Any day my cranky knee will allow, I do the same as you.

[MineralMan]

40. I hear that. I'm fortunate that I don't have

any serious creaky bits yet. At age 67, though, it may be around the corner.

[juajen]

64. Women are safer from thiefs and perverts when they park up close.

We have all been taught that in every self defense class that I have taken. I never park in a lonely place. Then, "we're just asking for it" as our menfolk are prone to say.

[AngryOldDem]

81. I do the same, because I don't like backing out of tight spots. But...

...a few years back I had a knee injury that kept me from walking distances. I could get around stores, etc., just fine, but I really appreciated parking closer so I wouldn't have to trek through acres and acres of lot on a bad knee to get where I was going.

What we don't know here is whether that was the case with this woman, and why she was waiting for that particular spot. Regardless, the man had no reason to threaten her with his gun.

[freshwest]

145. I finally ended up with a disabled plate. I put it off as long as I could, and on a good day, I park

as far away from store as I can.

But it's nice to know on a bad one I can get closer up. I time my visits to when there are less people at the store.

Years ago the doctors wanted me to get one, but I figured it was like asking to be mugged. At least in the city I lived in then.

[ljm2002]

26. So the man "drove up to her side of the vehicle"...

..."pulled a gun and started waving it at her, threatening to kill her if she didn't move."

I'm confused. If he was able to pull up beside her then why wasn't he able to continue on his way?

Sounds like he was itching to brandish that weapon.

Sounds like he is a loony tune rager and really, really needs to have his weeapon taken away.

As for everyone who is saying she should be more considerate: the article does not say how long she waited. But it does say that as soon as she dialed 911 the man drove on.

[PeaceNikki]

29. Even if he had to wait 10 minutes, you don't threaten people's lives. It's a mall, not an ER.

[etherealtruth]

119. Exactly

[CincyDem]

32. Once upon a time...

... it was sufficient to roll down your window and yell "Hey asshole, move your car".

Then we progressed to pulling up along side and giving him/her a dirty look.

Finally, at some point we progressed to hand signals and drove past flipping him/her "the bird".

Today, we've moved up the food chain to brandishing.

Tomorrow, hey - just shoot her because she's costing me 3-4 minutes sitting here. I'm sure there's some extension of the castle doctrine that we could apply here.

Progress.

[lpbk2713]

47. WWRD

I really think what guides them these days is "what would Rushbo do?" .

[CincyDem]

49. Toss back a couple Oxy's and blame it on BHO ?

[Tree-Hugger]

104. +1 nt

[bunnies]

34. This is horrifying on so many levels. nt

[Doctor_J]

52. I saw this on sons of anarchy

Only that time the one waiting drew the gun and aimed at the honker.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

53. It is against the law to brandish a firearm. Criminals who do so should be prosecuted to the fullest

extent of the law.

It is a false equivalency for anyone to equate a criminal brandishing a firearm with firearm-owning Democrats and Independents, and anyone else owning a firearm, for self-defense or to deter the need for self-defense within the home.

Prosecute all criminals.

[PeaceNikki]

56. But sometimes CCW holders do shit like this.

http://www.waukeshawonk.com/2013/02/03/when-road-rage-and-concealed-carry-collide/

[AnotherMcIntosh]

76. Enhance the punishment for all criminals who commit crimes with firearms.

Obaining a CCW license is not a license to break the law.

[AngryOldDem]

85. That's the whole crazy rationale for CCW.

It's a Wild West mentality.

You don't know who's carrying, so you're more vigilant of your own behavior. As I said upthread, what a way to live. Good manners at the point of a gun. What you don't know is, especially when driving these days, what will set anyone off. Going 5 miles below the speed limit? Passing someone? Trying to pull into a parking spot?

Guns, rather than making people more safe, make them more reckless and stupid. Combine that with being behind the wheel just makes the problem worse.

[99th_Monkey]

71. If only that woman had a gun

she could have "stood her ground".

Maybe she'll see the light now, and go buy a Glock.

[99Forever]

72. Another law-abiding, reasonsible, responsible, legal gun owner...

... exercising his 2nd Amendment Right to terrorize unarmed, peaceful citizens with his Precious.

The NRA should feel quite proud that it makes sure this can happen almost anywhere, at any time.

Yeee haw!

[truebluegreen]

79. Yet another responsible gun owner.

They are so easy to spot.

[sigmasix]

80. Gun love

This cowardly creep sounds like a lot of NRA members that I have met- brandishing a gun to threaten and intimidate others. The NRA has made sure to change gun ownership laws for felons so that pedophiles, wife beaters and murderers are legally heavily armed. What makes anyone believe that gun nuts from the NRA have a problem with thier fellow cowards using guns to threaten and intimidate others? Right wing extremists live for the rush of unlawful gun use and brandishing- The NRA ought to use this guy as thier poster boy to show how gun nuts are being picked-on for attempting to terrorize thier neighbors with thier proudly owned gun collection. Poor little gun nuts are so unfairly treated for thier murderous, violent solutions to every day problems.

[War Horse]

82. Having to wait for a parking space is "inconsiderate"?

Mightn't that be part of the problem right there?

[LiberalFighter]

84. There needs to be a way to dispense judgement immediately on the spot.

In that circumstance the guy gets zapped to another planet.

[treestar]

89. The plot thickens

The news report at the link, he says he did not have a gun.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. Of course he said that.

[still_one]

90. I would hope after he pulled the gun she moved and then called 911

because of she didn't she is very lucky

[SheilaT]

97. Well, it happened at Oak Park Mall.

There's never enough parking there.

Actually, I used to live a mile directly south of that mall, and from the middle of November until after New Year's I learned to reroute my driving patterns to avoid the traffic there.

Given how scarce parking can be there, it's a wonder this sort of nonsense hasn't happened before.

[itsrobert]

102. Gun owners are babies

they cry if they can't have their gun to play with and keep as a security blanket. They are emotionally unstable.

[itsrobert]

105. "Piss off!!!"?

I rest my case.

[darkangel218]

107. What right do you have to call ALL gun owners emotionally unstable??

It's our constitutional right to own guns,and you have no right to insult millions of Americans calling them emotionally unstable.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[itsrobert]

108. The First Amendment

You seem upset. Don't shoot me!

[darkangel218]

109. So you are okay with the first amedment, but not the second??

Hypocrisy at its finest!

Who said is going to shoot you? Have I ever said that or someone else said that? You need to be reported to the Amins for trolling and causing drama, which youre obviously doing.

[itsrobert]

110. I am glad you calmed down

However the hypocrisy is yours, not mine. Friend.

[darkangel218]

111. Im not your friend.

I legally own a gun and I don't apreaciate being called emotionally unstable just because I excersise my right. Like I said, I hope the administrators are seeing this. I'm pretty sure labeling people is a TOS violation.

[itsrobert]

112. "Exercise my right"

Who talks like that?

[darkangel218]

113. Anyone who gives a damn about their Constitutional rights.

Whichever those may be.

[itsrobert]

114. No, I only hear NRA apologist

talk about "exercising my right"

What other rights do you exercise? How about the right to remain silent?

[darkangel218]

116. The "right to remain silent"?

Just so you know, I have reported you to the Admn.
Labeling other DUrs as having mental problems is against the TOS.


DA.

[pintobean]

138. Jury results on this post

At Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The "right to remain silent"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2765483

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Over the top. Already had one pits removed. This one needs to go as well.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:05 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: casting asparagus on individuals that disagree with you is sophism and against the rules here
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: DarkAngel is name calling, and knows she will get a hide. Let her have another one. Check her transparency page. It's a doozy.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: One of her pits was removed? I'm surprised she can still post.
Robert's being a jerk. Good for DA for not putting up with it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[sendero]

106. I'm sure there are all kinds of hypothetical magical reasons...

.... why folks insist on holding up everything, often for quite a long time, so that they can avoid walking 100 feet. Most of them are about to walk a mile or more to wander the aisles in the store(s) and a very large number of them could use the walk either way.

Yeah I've read the "maybe they are disabled blah blah" I've watched enough of these folks to think that they are mostly selfish assholes who are perfectly willing to inconvenience others for their own convenience.

[uppityperson]

115. So pulling a gun on someone rather than driving around them is ok with you? Is that what you are say

saying?

Someone waiting for a car to pull out is a selfish asshole and the person waiting behind them is justified in threatening them with a gun? Seriously?

[99Forever]

121. Amazing, isn't it?

This is the kind of mentality that is a very strong argument as to why under regulated private weapons ownership is a deadly danger to each and every person in this nation.

[sendero]

147. Pulling a gun..

.. is never ok for any reason. Nor is blocking traffic for a minute so your dumb lazy ass won't have to walk a few more feet.

[uppityperson]

150. Since traffic wasn't blocked, not sure what your point is.

[etherealtruth]

120. Did you miss reading the part ....

... where he was able to pull beside her in order to brandish the gun ....?

[99Forever]

122. Even if the gunnut couldn't get around her...

... brandishing his gun would STILL be completely out of line and illegal.

[etherealtruth]

123. Of course it would

Brandishing a gun endangers the public safety period.

My response was a reaction to (what appears to be) attempts to blame the victim here ... I don't care if the woman parked diagonally across the lane and went shopping .... this nut with the gun needs to be prosecuted

[99Forever]

125. Wasn't critisizing your response...

... in the least, just adding to it.

[etherealtruth]

129. I am cantankerous this evening!

In this case "it is me, not you!"

[proud2BlibKansan]

130. Does any of that justify pointing a gun at her????

[itsrobert]

149. Exercising his rights

I guess.

[proud2BlibKansan]

151. He has the right to intimidate people?

I think not.

[itsrobert]

152. I was not serious on that one

thanks

[gollygee]

131. OH well then yeah, that explains why he pulled a gun.

It's perfectly OK in that case.

/sarcasm

[pnwmom]

155. There's nothing in the OP that indicates the parking spot is near the entrance

or why the person there is waiting for it.

At my mall it's often difficult to find any parking space, so you wait when you see one opening up.

[Thinkingabout]

143. This is a perfect example why many do not need to own guns and especially to have

A permit to carry. If he has a permit it needs to be revoked immediately. For all who shout they need to protect their families, how was he protecting his family in this instant. Just an example of a gun nut out of control.